Ronald Reagan: The Greatest President Ever

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Who was the Greatest American President?

  1. Ronald Reagan

    16.5%
  2. Barrack Hussien Obama

    5.5%
  3. Abraham Lincoln

    13.2%
  4. FDR

    18.7%
  5. Thomas Jefferson

    14.3%
  6. William Jefferson Clinton

    2.2%
  7. George Washington

    26.4%
  8. James Earl Carter

    3.3%
  9. George W. Bush

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. John Fitzgerald Kennedy

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. red states rule

    red states rule New Member Past Donor

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    The greateness of the Reagan economy does drive libs up the wall

     
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    MegadethFan Well-Known Member

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    Your link shows how bad his economics were actually. He violated the free market with more protectionism than any other president since ww2, he increased the size of government in spending, taxes and employment by the end of his second term. And that's his economics. People here seem to have forgotten his ardent support terrorists in multiple countries entirely screwed over countries like Nicaragua.
     
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    Well that piece of propaganda is truly trash!! First of all, SS is funded by it's own tax, and consistently ran a surplus throughout the 80s. To blame that for the deficit, and not Reagan's disastrous defense spending is proof of either a liar or an idiot. So the author of your article is one of those 2 things.


    Next up, right wingers who believe in the Reagan myth, love to reference the expansion that took place in about 2-3 years in the middle of his term, ignoring the fact that it was bookended by 2 major recessions. Also ignoring the fact, that the mid 80s expansion was almost entirely down to Paul Volker's decisions as federal reserve chairman. However, by the time Reagan's long term policies have been felt, it becomes quite clear how truly disastrous they are!!
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Reagan's tax cut effects were mitigated by the several tax increases he imposed.

    But even so, as your article points out, revenues dropped about a percentage point relative to GDP. That, combined with massive spending increases (mostly military) was enough to triple deficits and quadruple the debt by 1992.

    But the Heritage article doesn't mention that, does it?

    What a shocker.
     
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    Can you list the names of the Congressional politicians who created those laws and what political party they belonged to?
     
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    red states rule New Member Past Donor

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    Yea the NERVE of the auther to use data from

    U.S. Office of Management and Budget, Budget

    Joint Economic Committee, The Great Expansion: How It Was Achieved and How It Can Be Sustained, U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate, 106th Cong., 2nd Sess., April 2000, pp. 4-6.

    the IRS

    What would these government agencies know about the success of Reagan's economic policies?
     
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    Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    Indeed, and of course they won't, they will change the subject and ignore real facts.
     
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    Is it really so hard to do your own research? You insist on others doing it for you? Of course, it was actually rather hard to find out who the actual co-sponsors of this bill was. Almost every bit of information I could find only listed their last names.

    Most of this is generally placed on the Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act of 1994, otherwise known as the Riegle-Neal Act. This is the act that started the rapid slide away from regulations that had prevented banks from operating across state lines, and also in participating in other areas of the financial market.

    Before this act, if a bank had branches across state lines, they had to be either seperate banks working together (like First Interstate Bankwas a conglomerate of many individual banks), or a single company with different state organizations (like Security Pacific of California and Security Pacific of Idaho). And each independent office had to follow the laws of the state it operated in.

    This prevented most banks from expanding more then a single state. And each seperate part had to follow the banking laws of the state it was in. With this law, a bank could spread across multiple states, and only had to follow the laws of it's home state.

    This law allowed financial institutions to spread like crazy, often overextending themselves. And also many would re-incorporate in states with more lax regulations, and then were free to expand into other states without having to comply with their regulations.

    It also started a slew of mergers between strong and weak banks, some friendly but many hostile.

    And the sponsors of this bill? Senator Donald W Riegle Jr, Democrat from Michigan, and Congressman Stephen L. Neal, Democrat from North Carolina.

    In fact, I absolutely love the article found here:

    http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2...s-steagall-is-mostly-a-red-herring/?mobile=nc

    And notice the picture of Senator Riegle. Think Progress has him listed as a Republican. Nice, except he switched to Democrat when he was still a Congressman in 1973. In his political career, he spent 6 years as a Republican, and his last 19 as a Democrat. Nice piece of highly inaccurate spin there.
     
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    Why would you like Reagan when he condoned the most vile massacring of innocent people? Modern beheading terrorists have nothing on the brutality the guys, who he supportered, dished out.
     
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    Why exactly would you assume such a silly thing? Graham, Leach, Bliley was approved by 84% of Senate Democrats and 75% of House Democrats. That is is lower than the percentages of Republicans that supported it, but not by that much.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm–Leach–Bliley_Act


    People on the left in America, who still support the Democrats need to reevaluate their priorities. There were other bills that deregulated the system as well, and they all had significant Democtatic support and were signed by a Democratic president. Stop deluding yourselves into believing democrats in any way represent a left-wing agenda, because they don't!! They are coporatists just like Republicans!!
     
  13. red states rule

    red states rule New Member Past Donor

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    If only Obama would follow in Reagan's footsteps


     
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    But then... which terrorists should he arm?
     
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    Well, he did arm the Mexican drug cartels through Fast & Furious.
     
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    Again, absolute trash you are posting!! Where you do you find this stuff? I love how you keep repeating this same meme over and over again, but never point out what it means. Nor how Reagan is responsible. Here is some actual economic analysis. I know you prefer to read right-wing propaganda, but humor me!!



     
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    Yet another parallel between the two presidents. They're looking more and more alike all the time.
     
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    In their failure? I agree!! Obama is not yet on par with the massive failure that was Reagan's presidency, but he can certainly get their if he keeps up his current pace!!
     
  19. PatriotNews

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    Wow, what an amazing statistic. I'm not sure what it would mean even if it were true. I don't know where you got it from, as it is posted in blogs all over the internet, but none of them credit a source for the stat either. I don't know why you post "actual economic analysis" without telling us who is doing the analysis. Perhaps this is evidence that liberal revisionism is alive and well.
     
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    Do you know Reagan supported the massacring, raping, theft and pillage of thousands of innocent people?
     
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    Yes, that is my fault, and I apologize!! I meant to post the link, and somehow I forgot. Here you go.


    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-carterreagan.htm
     
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    Really? I didn't see that in any of his speeches or writings. Where did you find the evidence that he supported this? I saw you earlier posts and was tempted to respond to them, but why? Reagan's support of freedom fighters throughout the world does not mean he is responsible for or condoned the acts of rogue elements or perpetrators of atrocities associated with democratic revolutionary movements. There is quite some difference between endorsing of democratic freedom movements and terrorist organizations which seek to impose their own form of despotic totalitarianism.
     
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    "If only O'Bama would follow Reagan's footsteps ... During Reagan’s 8 years in office, the United States had the largest peacetime economic expansion in history along with creating approximately 35 million new jobs. President Reagan helped the U.S. achieve this economic boom through implementing sweeping economic reforms that contrary to the Keynesian economic policies of the liberals in Congress at the time (and Obama today). Reagan stated, “Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.” His solution to our economic malaise would be to correct those three governmental behaviors. Reagan’s approach would include implementing across-the-board tax cuts, simplified government regulations, and sound monetary policies.''


    Reagan was a Keynesian in that he increased the Federal deficit. Further, he did not come close to creating 35 million jobs:

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_president_of_the_us_created_the_most_jobs


    "From 1980 to the end of the Bush 43 administration, all three Republican presidents combined produced, over a period of 20 years, two million fewer jobs than Bill Clinton managed to eke out in eight. Kennedy and Johnson managed to produce 50 percent more jobs in four years than the Bushes did in twelve."

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    Want more jobs? Vote Democrat and bring back FDR banking regulation.
     
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    Yes, that's also quite interesting. Reagan wanted to openly praise their brutality but he was advised not to by his aids, like George Schultz, especially as Reagan began to work behind Congress's back, ie illegally, to continue the horrific policy.

    The historical record. Would you like some examples?

    Yes it is. In fact Washington often directed these attacks and purposely towards what were called "soft targets" that is civilians. The ICC also found the US guilty of starting an illegal war, but people swept up in the Reagan mythology forget about this evil.

    Reagan supported terrorist organizations which seek to impose their own form of despotic totalitarianism. Examples: Nicaragua, Guatemala, Chile, Afghanistan, South Africa, list goes on.
     
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    It s from Paul Krugman - enough said
     
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