AZ Sec Of State Wont Let Obama On Ballot Unless Hawaii Shows More Birth Records

Birthers are like truthers.... crazy imo

 

Looks like Hawaii's a bit tired of all the birther nutters too:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-05-19/hawaii-arizona-obama-birth/55070008/1

Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama's birth

PHOENIX (AP) – The attorney general's office in Hawaii is telling Arizona's secretary of state that if he wants confirmation of President Obama's birth records, he'll have to prove he legitimately needs it.

President Obama waits to greet G8 leaders on Friday in front of Laurel Lodge during the 2012 G8 in Camp David, Md.

Special Assistant Joshua Wisch said late Friday that Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett hasn't done that despite numerous email and phone exchanges between their offices.

Wisch says Hawaii state laws require Bennett to show legal authority that this office needs the records to update its official lists as part of its ordinary work.

 

Uh, huh... right... heard it all before, rahl. Nevertheless:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/half-of-america-agrees-with-sheriff-joe/

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/poll_GOP_042111.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/07/fox-news-poll-24-percent-believe-obama-born/

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/04/thirty-percent-of-gop-still-believes-obama-not-born-in-u-s/

So, when Comrade Obama gets his anti-constitutional ass thrown out of the White House next January, you can assume that by the lofty intellectual standards adopted by you of Obama's loyal Praetorian Guard, the entire nation has been taken over by "retards". You will understandably feel uncomfortable having to be around people as stupid, callow, and untrusting as we are, so you may want to go ahead and plan to leave the country soon afterward. If so, don't let the door hit you in the ass when you go....

Just one time, ask yourself this question: why didn't President Transparency have a simple, direct copy of the Birth Certificate made, such as could be made with any simple, one-button copy machine anywhere in the world? Why did he have a "layered", out-of-sequence software construction made instead? Yeah, right... and we're the "retards"?

 

LMAO!!! Good post Pollycy.

 

he already showed a "direct copy of the birth certificatemade, such as could be made with any simple, one-button copy machine anywhere in the world" and hawaii verified it's authenticity.

and yes, birthers are retards.

 

not really apuzzo. I destroyed it quite simply.

 

not really apuzzo. I destroyed it quite simply.

 

Sorry, rahl... wrong again. What he showed the world last year in "Birth Certificate -- The Director's Cut" was not a simple, direct copy of it at all! What his handlers rolled out for the bovine masses was the "layered", out-of-sequence, software construction. Did you read anything in the many links I provided, rahl? Even by the most smallest assessment, not fewer than 20% of Americans do not believe that President Transparency was born in the United States of America!

But it must give you Praetorian Guard guys goose-bumps to believe so completely in President Messiah... Bask in the glow of the thing as long as you can, because a new reality is coming, and you won't like it....

 

just shows me az republicans don't think they can beat Obama fairly

 

I have already explained that to you- please try to keep up.

President Obama showed the actual certified copy to the reporters in April 2011. Reporters saw, handled it, even took photo's of 'simple, direct copy of the birth certificate.

Then- and here is the really amazing part- the copy was scanned and put on the internet.

Oddly enough, making a photo-copy is not the same thing as scanning it- and a photo-copy can't be put on the internet for voters to see.

Finally- the State of Hawaii confirmed that what was posted on the Internet was authentic.

Birthers- lol

 

Is "layered, out-of-sequence software construction" birtherese for Adobe PDF file?

 

When you make a "simple, one-button copy," where does it go? On the internet? Because it seems to me that making a "simple, one-button copy" would result in him having a paper copy in the outfeed tray of the copy machine...

However, if he wanted one on the internet, what he would do is scan it into a PDF, and put it on the internet, which is exactly what he did.

Nevertheless, the birth certificate is not fake. How do I know? Because the State of Hawaii, the same people that create Hawaii birth certificates, say it is. Therefore, it is.

By the way, Pollycy, who are you voting for in November, where were they born, and how do you know? Also, same questions for whomever your voted for in 2008?

 

nope. he provided a photo copied version of the original. it was verified by the state of hawaii. what you ignorantly think had layers, was the digital scan that was placed on the internet.

lol, I just love the standard birther mantra. "any day now" "it's coming". it's been "coming" for almost 4 years.

 

The same hyperlib "reporters" who kiss Obama's butt and refuse to investigate anything negative about him? Oh, that inspires confidence....

"Praetorian Guard" - lol :

NEW YORK, NY – After a Maricopa County law enforcement agency conducted a six-month forensic examination which determined that the image of Obama's alleged 1961 Certificate of Live Birth posted to a government website in April, 2011 is a digital fabrication and that it did not originate from a genuine paper document, arguments from an Obama eligibility lawyer during a recent New Jersey ballot challenge hearing reveals the image was not only a fabrication, but that it was likely part of a contrived plot by counterfeiters to endow Obama with mere political support while simultaneously making the image intentionally appear absurd and, therefore, invalid as evidence toward proving Obama's ineligibility in a court of law.


http://www.drudge.com/news/154233/proof-obamas-birth-certificate-not

And your troubles are just beginning! Next month Obamacare gets thrown out for being unconstitutional and everybody, even hyperlibs, will see what an inept, incompetent, inveterate moron that you Libocrats put in the White House actually is!

We can't jump in a time machine and go back to 2008 and fix this mess. All in all, it would have been far better if Hillary had been elected president because at least then we all would have had the benefit of Bill's abilities and mentality coaching her along. As it is, we're led by a radical "community organizer" from fairyland who probably isn't even constitutionally qualified to have run for the Office of the President in the first place! Will November never get here!?

 

The same hyperlib "reporters" who kiss Obama's butt and refuse to investigate anything negative about him? Oh, that inspires confidence....

"Praetorian Guard" - lol :

NEW YORK, NY – After a Maricopa County law enforcement agency conducted a six-month forensic examination which determined that the image of Obama's alleged 1961 Certificate of Live Birth posted to a government website in April, 2011 is a digital fabrication and that it did not originate from a genuine paper document, arguments from an Obama eligibility lawyer during a recent New Jersey ballot challenge hearing reveals the image was not only a fabrication, but that it was likely part of a contrived plot by counterfeiters to endow Obama with mere political support while simultaneously making the image intentionally appear absurd and, therefore, invalid as evidence toward proving Obama's ineligibility in a court of law.

http://www.drudge.com/news/155710/obama-lawyer-admits-birth-certificate-forgery

http://www.drudge.com/news/154233/proof-obamas-birth-certificate-not

Of course, leftists don't like the "Drudge Report", but just take a look at the images of the "birth certificate" itself and the red arrows.

Troubles for the Left are just beginning! Next month Obamacare gets thrown out for being unconstitutional, and everybody, even hyperlibs, will see what an inept, incompetent, inveterate moron that you Libocrats put in the White House actually is!

We can't jump in a time machine and go back to 2008 and fix this mess. All in all, it would have been far better if Hillary had been elected president because at least then we all would have had the benefit of Bill's abilities and mentality coaching her along. As it is, we're led by a radical "community organizer" from fairyland who probably isn't even constitutionally qualified to have run for the Office of the President in the first place! Will November never get here!?

 

So, if this has been "confirmed," why is Drudge the only ones reporting it?

Oh, and this is from a month ago, and , *gasp*, nothing has happened...lol

You guys are so gullible...

 

What inspires my confidence is the fact that the Hawaii Department of Health - the party charged with creating and keeping Hawaiian birth records - says that (1) the documents are real and (2) Obama was born in Hawaii. That means they are real, because Obama would have no reason to fake them, based upon their statements.

Here's the part where you give a ridiculous answer that shows you are incapable of following the simple logic I just laid out.

Still waiting for a response to this, by the way:

 

Dan, you're a lawyer, for heaven's sake! You tell us, why is Maricopa County so insistent that the software construction of the BC on the internet was not put together from a scan of the original document?

You ask me what I would have done if I had been on Obama's staff? Simple, Dan -- I would have had the State of Hawaii make a SIMPLE, DIRECT copy of the Obama's Certificate of Live Birth and give it to me. Then, I would have made about ten thousand copies of the SIMPLE, DIRECT document that State of Hawaii made on a simple, one-button copy machine and I would hand it out to every news organization, legal organization, and interested citizens who asked for one! BTW, Dan, why is even "Birth Certificate -- the Director's Cut" out of numerical sequence?: http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12012/obama-ballot-challenge-in-6-states674/

In previous exchanges I have found you to be an intelligent, fair, and well-informed poster, Dan. Conservatives like me don't "hate" Obama, Dan, but we are very troubled by his inability to lay all the controversial issues to rest by full candid, transparent disclosure on everything having to do with his BC, his Social Security number, his Selective Service Registration, and his school records -- which according to many sources indicate that Obama himself stated that he was an alien foreigner when he was applying for entry into American schools.

 

1)They're not insistent, they made no such claim.
2) They - and we're talking about one man, here - didn't consult experts, they consulted Birthers. Known Birthers. Birthers wig previously debunked claims.
3) It's completely irrelevant. The Hawaii Department of Health says the document is genuine. They are the originators of the document and therefore their word is controlling. It doesn't matter what some goons in Arizona WHO HAVE NEVER EXAMINED THE DOCUMENT IN QUESTION say.

Do you understand the invincible logic here? When the originator of a document says something you have is the real document, it's a real document. If Davinci comes to you with a painting and says "here's a painting I did" and hands it to you, you don't need Sheriff Joe, or anyone else, to authenticate it. It's authenticated by the creator.

No, I didn't.

Um... That's precisely what he did, only he also got public confirmation from the Hawaii department of health as to its authenticity. He got the certificate, made tons of "simple" photocopies, and handed them out to reporters at the press conference on 4/27/11. Hundreds of people were there. Then, IN ADDITION to that, he put a scan of it on the internet, so that anyone in the world who wasn't at the press conference could get it for themselves.

THE STATE OF HAWAII VERIFIED, IN BOTH CASES, THAT WHAT HE PUT OUT WAS TRUE AND GENUINE.

It's not. Who says what "order" the numbers go in? Anyway, again, irrelevant. The fact you cannot get around, that no birther can, is that Hawaii says the document is real. Therefore, it is. Period.

You're troubled because of your disdain for the man. That's what you haven't come to grips with yet. There is no inability to lay issues to rest, only the same lies repeated over and over - you've proven that here with the usual lies about SSN, "foreign" school registrations, and other birther crap which was proven false YEARS AGO. You also continue to avoid the simple fact that Hawaii verified his Hawaiian birth, meaning we are MORE sure of Obama's birth story than any other candidate before or since.

Which is why I asked before: who are you voting for this time, where were they born, and how do you know????? Same question for your 2008 vote. If you are consistent in your logic, you will realize your political leanings make you do what I suspect you would rail on liberals about (and they do it frequently), which is holding people to inconsistent standards.

 

As usual- Any reporters that fail to say what Birthers demand that they say are 'kissing Obama's butt'.

What is particularly funny is that WND's own White House reporter was there that day.

And he saw the birth certificate himself.

 

And so here we are, at square-one again. "The Hawaii Department of Health says the document is genuine", and so, in the final analysis, that's all there is to it. By the most conservative measurements of those polled, not fewer than 20% of American voters do not believe that Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States, Dan. Based on everything that we've been exposed to, I remain among them, and I'll spare you and mkyself both all the customary responses which we both know by heart. We are solving nothing. Your side believes Obama's series of peculiar and unlikely stories completely, and mine does not....

You are quite wrong about one thing, though... I don't despise "the man"; on the contrary, he's personally rather charming and entertaining. I do despise what I regard as his untruthfulness, his hypocrisy, his autocratic misuse of presidential responsibilities and power, and his completely delusional, Keynesian borrow-and-spend philosophy regarding the economy. Those are reasons enough not to re-elect this man to any Federal Government position, and, God willing, on November 6, 2012, we won't!

 

So, as we expected, you & your birther buddies are just gonna continue to stomp your feet and whine...

Predictable...

 

20% of americans think the earth is flat, and only 5 thousand years old. There will always be a percentage of stupid, retarded people, in any country. Doesn't make birther idiocy any more relevant just because 20% believe in their stupidity.

 

Correct. That's the point that no birther can get around.

The originator of the document is the best party with authority to attest to it's authenticity, and they have done so, ad nauseum.

So what? The President is limited in his capacity

But WHY do you "remain among them," given the statements of the Hawaii Department of Health? How do you wrap your head around that? How do you continue to deny what is undeniable? Give me a plausible scenario whereby (1) the originators, creators, and keepers of Obama's birth certificate, Republicans and Democrats alike, say it is genuine and reveals a Hawaiian birth and (2) Obama was not born in Hawaii. What is the plausible set of facts, supported by evidence, that leads those two things to be both true?

That's not true, though. I don't believe anything Obama says. I don't have to. I have the statements of Hawaii to support my belief.

So you disagree with his politics. So do I. The difference is, I can separate my disagreement and distrust of his politics with what is obviously a ridiculous scenario - that a person could hold what is undeniably the most scrutinized, public, job on the face of the Earth, and yet hide a massive conspiracy to cover up what is variously claimed to be every aspect of his supposedly fraudulent past.

Clinton couldn't hide a blowjob shared by only himself and an intern. Nixon couldn't hide his ties to a burglary, in an era before the Information Age. Bush couldn't hide a decades-old drinking problem. Kennedy couldn't hide his dalliances with a second-rate actress and several other young women. In an era before television, it was relatively common knowledge that Roosevelt had a mistress. Yet you deem it plausible Obama hides everything, essentially, about his past, in a conspiracy requiring the participation of no less than dozens of people, both Democrat and Republican, and that he managed to hide that from two campaigns (now three) which have, together, spent over a billion dollars trying to defeat him.

In your heart of hearts, you must know it's utterly absurd to believe that.

Which leads me to ask, for the third time, in hopes of it dawning on you that you are applying your rules inconsistently, based on politics: Who are you voting for in 2012, where were they born, and how do you know? Same thing for your 2008 vote.