Why is anyone outraged at Petaeus anyway? Have you seen his wife??

Apparently something I said touched a nerve as your relentless with your nonsense. Usually that means what has been said has some truth to it.

Either way, my wife agree's 100% with my views. She knew of them long before we were married.

 

That's not logical. Someone could call your mother a whore and it would bother you even if your mother was not a whore. Saying cruel and callous things irritates people as it slaps at a sense of cosmic justice and universal fairness.

 

Marrying Holly Knowlton was hardly a "mistake". She's the daughter of a 4-star general who was superintendent at West Point when Petraeus was there and has been an important contributor to his success over the years. I seriously doubt he didn't give some thought to the advantages to his military career of marrying into that family.

And for 38 years, he took advantage of her being the perfect military wife - helping to advance his career. She stayed at home and raised their children while he was posted around the world. She took care of their home and business and worked while he was away for as much as a year at a time. She probably didn't have time to spend hours every day in the gym and beauty parlors - maybe she thought having happy, healthy children, a well-run home and endless activities with military groups to fulfill her duties as a general's wife to help his career a little more important.

Petraeus is IMPO one of the most sexually unattractive men I've ever seen with his buck teeth, hunch back and combover from halfway down the side of his head. Paula Broadwell wasn't after his body or sexual prowess - she was after access to classified files for her own career advancement.

It sounds like Petraeus is finally beginning to realize what he had and what he has done to his family and the reality of what it will be like to lose them. And all for a "hot chick" who did the same thing to HER family - a husband and 2 very small children - 3 years and 15 months old - who will REALLY suffer from what she's done if they end up growing up without their mother. I can't imagine her husband having any trouble getting full custody of them now.

And I'm sorry for you that you think having an eternally sexually attractive wife who cooks you 3 hot meals a day is what it's all about. There's much more to life than that as you will discover in years to come.

 

Of course your wife agrees 100% w/your views. That's the difference b/t the 2 cultures of women. You made the right choice in finding yourself an Asian wife b/c if you cheat on her, which you admitted is a possibility, she'll accept it. whereas most American wives will not.

It's not the Asian women's fault. They're programmed since their young yrs to be submissive to the male.

 

That's quite possible. He may have a careerist personality, but I doubt he made it all the way to General by simply marrying a Generals daughter. You still have to hit all the check boxes throughout your career to attain that kind of rank. If you are inept, no amount of favoratism will save you. He has proven his talents thru the planning of Afghanistan quite well I think. So, yes, it may have helped to have the political connections, but you will only get so far if that is all you have to work on.

I would never take anything away from a military wife raising kids. However, I completely dissagree with your 2nd post. There are countless opertunities for dependents to "stay fit" and take care of themselves. There is a full service Gym on just about every base I have been to. Not to mention a myrid of running tracks snaking throught the base. I have seen mothers with strollers constantly jogging around with kids in tow. Most gyms have a small daycare center as well, where you can leave your kids for short periods of time while you work out. Everyone has 30 minutes during the day to work out and take care of their bodies.

He may be unattractive physically, but many women think men in power are attractive. He may have a very attractive personality. He has to have a bit of confidence and a good level head to have made it as far as he has. Women are attracted to that kind of stuff.

Hopefully nobody will suffer. If she is as good a wife as you claim her to be, it wont take much effort to fix the reasons why he was lead astray. Fix herself up, look more presentable, maybe go to the gym and get back into some kind of shape. His sexual needs are not being met, and in any marriage, that is very important. Without knowing the inner workings of his marriage business, its hard to tell if they had talked about this issue before.

Why can't I have an eternally sexually attractive wife??

 

You don't know much about my wife. If I were ever to cheat on her and she were to find out, she would use her culinary skills to cut me up into 1,000 pieces. Or at least, a very important part that most males hold sacred. My wife is not docile by any streatch of the immagination. She will let me have it when I deserve it.

 

True - together they had it all. He had his talents and she had the connections and knowledge of military life and protocol. Holly Petraeus was admired and respected just as he was. He did his job - she did hers. The difference is she put him first and he spat on 38 years of love, respect and faithfulness the first time another woman winked at him.

Not everyone. Not if you have a house to take care of, children to raise, groceries to shop for, meals to cook and clean up from, homework and baths for the children and a military wife's duties to attend to in his absence when all the responsibilities fall on you alone. And while you're doing that, he's off jogging in the desert with a "hot chick".

It's not the men they think are attractive - it's their money and position and their hopes of getting their hands on it. In Paula Broadwell's case, she was hoping to get her hands on classified files and as I understand it, did. And was willing to sleep with Petraeus and put her own husband and children at risk to do it.

I can't believe you would even think such a thing - much less say it. I guess it would never occur to you that he may have been just as distasteful to her at this age as you assume she was to him? And because she aged right along beside him, it's HER fault he tossed their marriage and family down the crapper and publicly humiliated her after 38 years of marriage? He didn't seem to find everything she did for him while he was enjoying fame and success distasteful, did he? And now, according to friends, he's down on his knees begging her to take him back and forget what he's done to her and their family? I hope she slams the door in his face and tells him to go see if Paula Broadwell is still so in love with him that she'll leave her children and live with him now that he's NOT Director of the CIA or an active 4-star general.

You can - as long as that's the only thing that's ever important to you and her. She can spend her life jogging and exercising and cooking 3 hots a day to please you but speaking for myself, I think that would get old very quickly. To be honest, it sounds exceedingly boring to me.

 

I wish I could rep you ten times more for this post.

 

I doubt it if Courtney will ever realize that there's more to life than just a pretty, submissive wife.

For any guy to be so unsure of his 'manhood' unless he has a doting, submissive woman always stroking his ego is pretty sad and speaks volumes about his insecurity...... no way could I have lived w/that.

 

I'm just curious, but what would happen if she were ever NOT able to be sexually active or cook 3 hot meals a day and clean the house? What if she had MS or some other debilitating disease that rendered her physically unattractive and unable to perform her duties? It sounds to me like you'd consider that justifiable cause to dump her and find someone else since having a sexually attractive cook/house cleaner tops your list of traits you demand in a wife and love, affection and gratitude for her love and loyalty wouldn't play a part in your decision. And I won't ask what you would expect of her if it were YOU who was physically incapacitated and no longer sexually attractive and able to work - you'd expect her to stay right by your side and take care of you like she's always done and not look around for a new sexual partner if you could no longer fill her needs and she was still sexually attractive. LOL!

 

Dream on, little dreamer.

Does she indeed?

See the problem?

 

If you say so, but I doubt it.........

You had previously said that she agrees w/your views 100%, which included cheating.......

 

^^Pretty much this.

 

Well, he had also said his wife agrees w/his views 100% and didn't that include everything like other attractive women and sex?

As much as I loved my guy, I didn't agree w/him about everything. Sometimes we locked horns about a particular subject, then we'd agree to disagree....

The one thing I really appreciated was Tom would ask me how I felt about a particular person or subject and would hear me out, altho sometimes he didn't agree......

Hey, Courtney! My guy would also massage my feet for me. Imagine that! Did that make him less of a 'man'? And it was his idea when one night I laid down on the couch and threw my feet in his lap.... it got to be a ritual. Loved it! Lol....

 

My guy was a military man and couldn't cook stovetop for (*)(*)(*)(*), but he could bake some mean cookies. It was a tradeoff. Precision is needed for banking, spontaneity for cooking. It all worked out.

Plus...he was superfine.

 

Right. You trade off - he does his thing, your do yours, which is for each other and it works. Tom had been in the Marines, but that didn't stop him from learning his way around the kitchen since he liked good meals and after his divorce, he learned to do it all himself.....

He was an avid fisherman (we went deep sea fishing a lot) and he'd go fishing w/his buddies. He knew how I felt about cleaning the fish, so he did it and I would cook it or he would cook it. And he made the best smoked salmon.

Anyway, 2 people who are independent thinkers and don't cave in to the other can still be very happy w/each other......

 

I doubt the situation is as simplistic as you put it. We know nothing of their relationship. For all we know, she could have been a nagging, unrelenting spoiled Generals daughter. Or she could have been the best wife on the planet. And I would like to correct you in at least one aspect. Petraeus's father was a commander during WW2 for the US. So he was probably aware of military protocol long before he met his wife.

Yet I routinely see women doing it ever day with 2 and 3 kids. And if you mean, hot chick, as in jogging away from a chick with a bomb strapped to her, you might find something like that over in the desert. Not sure if you know this, but there is a lot of sand, little water, and they don't sell two piece bathing suits over there... Don't think there will be any "hot chicks" to jog with.

Exactly, the majority of women marry up. Apparently Ms. Broadwell was just as satisfied with her husband as Petreus was with his wife, maybe even less than satisfied.

We don't know what has occurred during those 30 years. Then again, whenever a man cheats, he is always the ass. No one ever takes into account what may be going on behind closed doors. The way marriage laws are now aday's, men would rather risk getting caught cheating than getting a divorce. At least there is a possibility of getting away with cheating, but a divorce, will devistate you for life. Especially with many young children and half your military retirement at stake. He may have been unhappy for years, and in fact, i would bet he probably has been. But due to the divorce laws in this country, many guys would rather suffer than loose half of everything they worked for their entire life.

It never bothers her, she was brought up in a culture where they don't have the option to eat out because they can't afford it. And being a military member myself, we dont have the option to eat out often because I can't afford it. She enjoys cooking. She says its her way of "loving me". Both of us enjoy working out because we get out of the house and we feel great afterwords. Then we both get to enjoy the hard work we put into our bodies at the end of the night.

 

It works both ways, I routinely stroke her ego as well. But of course, men don't need women to stroke their ego's, right? In fact, we love it when we are continually obliterated in the media and basically denigrated down to the dumb, fumbling fools American women think we are. While we must constantly tell her her ass does NOT look fat in those jeans!!!

 

That would be something out of her control. And of course I would be by her side taking care of her! Now if she sat in front of the TV all day, watching reality shows and eating cream filled donuts... Got fat, lazy and I had to do everyhting around the house and work, then I would leave her ass in a second.

 

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Even a french guy noticed this, interesting video.

 

Why cheat? Why not just man-up and let your SO know you want to end the relationship. Cheating really is wussy - the only reason a guy'd cheat is if he didn't have to balls to just formally end the relationship. If I wanted a new relationship, I'd just be up-front about it - rather than sneak around, like I'm dominated by my wife and afraid of what she'd say.

 

He's an atheist, so you got that wrong.

 

No it really ain't 'immoral or dangerous' anymore than drug use is. If a person wants to sleep with 100 people a day, that's none of your business and it isn't "immoral" or threatening to anyone, if there is no cheating (aka lying) involved. Plus the chances of contracting HIV aren't really any higher than, say, contracting lung cancer from smoking, or liver damage from drinking, etc.

Personally I think that staying in a bad relationship "for the kids" is far more immoral than sleeping with 100 people a day, because it creates a negative environment for them. If you think that a person who chooses openly to be non-monogamous is immoral, then that's no different than saying that two gay men are immoral for something they do in their own bedroom.

 

Sure it is. You're opening up your spouse to life threatening diseases, ergo you are doing harm to another.

Lung cancer isn't contagious.

 

Sure it is. You're opening up your spouse to life threatening diseases, ergo you are doing harm to another.

Lung cancer isn't contagious.