http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab3Hhk4I1mc This is the 2012 State of the Union Speech. The EU notifies Europe of something, unprecedented in past EU timeline, something that Europeans used to think is a far ahead chapter in the upcoming history, beyond the foreseeable future: commencement of the transition towards a federal European system. This video is a 42 minute presentation that unveils the plan in regards to all current world aspects, an unusually detailed one for an EU premiere statement of this kind. Personally I think this is suggestive of a high level of urgency for a general historical transformation of all that is European, in order to do something about the crisis and make European capitalism viable/fair for all those living on this extension of Asia, the peninsula called a distinct continent - Europe. <<< MODERATOR EDIT: AT MEMBERS REQUEST >>>
i suppose they have a chance to become the united states of europe. globalization's coming. but it is too early to judge about that
Has come and gone! Fact is Europe is in so much trouble because it always looking over its shoulder rejoicing in mediocrity of its past, instead of reforming and evolving to meet the changing global picture. The United States is the only world super power because it has changed and evolved always keeping one step ahead. Europeans face a choice change fast and with no if buts or maybes. Or see generations of your offspring enslaved to nations who were willing to adapt. And I mean enslaved in a economic/political sense. The southern half of Europe has already fallen will it consume the whole or can it be clawed back?
I suppose the globalization is inevitable. The worlds changed after WWII and the disintegration of the USSR. The telecommunications and transportation infrastructure, migration, forming of the global market economy etc precipitate the process of the globalization of the world. IMHO only WWIII can put a stop to that. )) p.s. in my view the globalisation is not only good for ppl, it is just inevitable.
All I hope and pray for is that the UK wake up and realise that leaving the EU would be the best thing we have done for a long, long time. The EU is a train running out of track.
I voted NEVER! I am afraid I consider that the EU has become a vehicle for the failed politician to resurrect their careers, on the lines of "I'm a Celebrity, but don't get me out of here..I'm more than happy to be extremely well paid for making life difficult for those who were once in my position". I have never quite understood how people assume globalisation has to mean that loads of states in various non-aligned areas are obliged to come together and subsume their own sovereignty to the dictat of the biggest arses from each country and a ruling body comprising the biggest arses with clout from those biggest arses in each country. When did controlling bits of the world become a career option for the numpties with more ego than intelligence? To answer my own question.......the day we, the people of the world, laid down like a rug and let them walk over us on their way to self-perceived supremacy. Has nobody yet understood that promoting on the Peter Principle cannot/must not apply to politics, because the levels of politics at which the incompetent and self-obsessed can do harm starts so low down the scale that there aren't enough competent people to populate every level in the first place. There is no level in politics, in UK politics, at least, when you can be promoted to a level where you can do no harm. There are certainly levels where numpties have to get together to do harm, to be fair, as evidenced by the current coalition in the UK, but that "getting together" could be a more productive, and a less polarising way of globalisation..however, in the current Uk scenario at least, the egos of politicians in the UK have resulted in trashing the poor in their own country to benefit the rich and big business. To me, globalisation simply means you actually give a toss about how the policies your ******** Government comes up with, for their own unknown but often easily guessed, reasons are going to affect countries which have done sod all to harm you or your country. Globalisation means thinking globally as to the effect on other countries and the world...not just concentrate on the effects on your country, your economy, your businesses etc. If you consider others, you only do what you absolutely have to go protect your people.....not your sodding industries and their profits., and before you send in troops, drones and other military crap....you talk and compromise and talk and compromise, until there is an agreement..or not. Globalisation should not mean that the very first reaction to "F-off you are taking the proverbial and we are not wearing it"are the employment of drones controlled from thousands of miles away which kill large numbers of civilians, not because they have to...but because they can and can use the spurious "collateral damage" excuse which the brain dead seem to accept. And, to me, globalisation doesn't mean everybody being forced to think/act/believe as the country with the biggest stick can force....or the size of the stick wielded by the heid-bummers of what started as a trading set-up but morphed into a takeover of Europe in order to feel as important as the USA.. Globalisation, from where I sit, means individual countries, who can freely make alliances with other individual countries to the benefit of both of them. That may result in an increase in the numbers of countries involved in the alliance, to be sure.....but that does not necessarily equate to a new entity to be considered as a political heavyweight in a world which which is going to hell in a handbasket which is weighed down by countries or groups of countries who do the "I am important and I can trash who I like because there ain't anyone big enough to kick my bahookie". We are going backwards to the days when the UK kicked the crap out of most of the world.because we could...and did......and everyone has seen the bliddy hash we made of it..Israel being the most glaring example.....but Pakistan/India runs Israel a close second. I'm not convinced that there is any entity capable of becoming a "one world government" thank heaven........but what worries me is the fact that there are lots of candidates for that position at some stage in the future, emerging out of the cesspit of their own collective minds. Do we never learn anything?
Hmmm...I don't know if leaving is the most effective path to take. It might be an idea to eject some of the millstone countries until the more developed get it back on track. If it hangs together, UK likes to have a controlling influence on everything everywhere, while not being controlled by anything anywhere. If we leave EU we leave that power to countries like Germany, which is not just an economic risk but could turn out to be a military one also. We can't really take that chance, can we. @ the OP, probably would be nearing federalism if the economic crisis hadn't rocked the boat. I don't mind that if the governing body is reasonable, competent and not completely fookin smug and elitist, but I do mind the current excessively interfering EU.
Hey we are still brothers in arms. We happily fight each other but we don't like it when outsiders cause troubles. Like two siblings. If anyone is going to fight my brother it is going to be me!
Dunno but it sounds good. I like the idea of a unique team to compete on the world stage. We'll even stand a better chance for a win at the Olympics.
Today, European Union look just as a big failure... Maybe it can be walk; but only if we change a lot of thing in our organisazation and if we fire a lot of members countries.
Personally I feel the EU is damaged goods, it will take a very long time for its creditability to be re-built and even if it does get through this crisis I would expect other countries to be looking for when the next one comes along. I've heard all the arguments for us to stay in, but most on based on what if and maybe. Not saying it would plain sailing if we did leave but I firmly believe that it would be the best for the UK in the long run.
Even if it was like that, then worse, the UK today is a train losing its own few cars it has left. Scotland is one, decoupling the connection with the locomotive already. Then today, Belfast decided, for the first time in 100 years, to simply take down the UK flag from the City Hall's building. Look at those in the doorway, protesting about this like gorillas that are desperate to find something to mate with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwqIQuxZEfg ........ ........... ........ Look at them imperialist animals, they don't even know what an attack proof window is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP4yvzkvj-M And it ain't the first time those British nation protectionists of yours do this. It happened last year as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWCX7AKeB-s These are your British patriots... Pocket knife baldies I mentioned earlier who can't possibly distinguish between patriotism and fanatism. I bet there is more alcohol and heroin in them than blood... attempting to vandalize police equipment bought with their tax money... erh... well, maybe not theirs as I lay a big bet they have no work so it ain't of their concern, or maybe they are, washing dishes. To think these petty gangstas worry about identity... ... they wouldn't want the UK to be part of a deeper EU, but they want Ireland to be part of this deep UK. What is the identity and principles they talk about?
Well, indeed it's also about maintaining a balance... Those who say 'i simply turn my back on it because I don't like it and I look at where my sunshine is' prove how much they live in oblivion of everything except their own persona... Considering their ridiculous idea that the EU is or risks to become a superstate under dictatorship (with Germany at its center), the last thing you do is turn your back on them when they are right next to you... ...cause if they are a superstate dictatorship they crush you in a sec, or make your life a living hell one way or another. How can you think you will enjoy happily a stable economy like Norway or an isolated UK and have common borders without them having nothing to say about it? So if those who say the EU is a dictatorship or risks becoming one and they insist they are right, then the best choice for them is too keep close to the EU because otherwise, either way they are done for. All this is just so childish anyway! Dictator EU is at the level of drunk men's argument.
Well you are entitled to your opinion .. you see the UK as a dying country, I see the EU as its killer and no matter what I put before you, you will no doubt come back with an equally Europhile fanfare.
EU is good to ensure free Europe-wide market, standardisation and bureaucratic compatibility. However, beyond such economic and practical union, I dont see the point, other than a power grab by Brussels autocrats.
That shows how much you know, Vlad the Mad. Those people are less and less concerned with petty historic affiliations. The majority of Norn Ireland Catholics who voted in a poll about this last week, voted to stay in UK. I am sure that's not really about religion or nationalistic tendencies. They've had peace recently and they want to keep it, but they could have peace as part of Ireland and they're voting against that. Therefore it could be ....about the economy, stupid. UK is no great shakes, but Ireland is in a deeper economic dip. It's a revolutionary concept, but perhaps the people are actually trying to throw in with the affiliation which is most beneficial to their country. Despite petty bigotry. Oh of course it is and everyone's ideas are stupid and childish except yours. How profound. I don't know if you remember your history lessons about World War 1 and World War 2. I kind of do, as the town where I live was flattened and my family home was destroyed in the Blitz. It's not a new concept for Germany to attempt superstate dictatorship, but you stick your silly head in the sand by all means. The adults will defend the borders and the naive, as always. Exactly. The financial benefits are not as much as they were, but still outweigh the negatives.
So all Northern Ireland is Catholic and their religion enables them to know which move is the best economic decision? Anyway for those who don't want Big Ireland, wouldn't it be simpler for them, in case of a reunification with Big Ireland, to simply move to the south, rather than try to bend bullet proof plates and make a police officer bleed like you see in the vid, vandalize their own city hall and risk loading their record? If they are the majority then why all this fuss anyway, if they know what the votes will always be... What kind of citizen is that who does not worry about their clean record and tries to kill a cop? It doesn't take too much of a chance for one of those flying rocks to kill one of the unprotected officers. They're not protesting as much as they seem to enjoy provoking the authorities. I respect your experiences of those times. Times have changed however. It's no longer up to the most mature to protect anything because there is nothing that can be protected today; with the present technology the hole human species can wipe itself out at the push of a few buttons and everyone knows that. That's the only reason why USSR and USA didn't fight each other, because the instinct of survival that is in all humans prevented that. How about Britain and its superstate that at some point was on all continents? You forget that the same body of governing that did that is still in place and it's not invading anyone today. Germany's is not the same... Far from that. Regarding World War 2 Britain has had its own share of war crimes, one being the invasion of its former ally Greece. Churchill back then wanted control over Eastern Mediterranean at any cost and he had no trouble sparing some extra foreigners' lives. Therefore he negotiated with Stalin and bought from Stalin an invasion ticket for Greece and calmed down the Athenians who were in a compact mass of simple citizens (protesting against his Churchillian presence there) with his own British panzers. He then took care of the Greek army. Winston Churchill is a war criminal no less than Göring, Himmler, Joachim Peiper or the diabolical Nazi doctor Josef Mengele. Churchill should have been prosecuted at Nürnberg with these chaps. But given he was one of the victors... Today the exact same office from where Churchill governed is where David Cameron is and he is not invading anyone. And the whole thing is under the exact monarchical body of governing as in those times while Germany is not. So Germany will no longer want to invade anyone anymore than Britain would want. And how about the British judges that sat down shoulder to shoulder with Soviet judges at Nürnberg and together reached the conclusions? Excuse me? Can this soviet body be called a group of judges, a body of law? Your house was destroyed in the Blitz... But then the most ridiculous part of all is that it was it was Britain who declared war on Germany!! Hitler didn't show interest in Britain at all and overall respected Britain. If you remember the World War 2 history lessons so well then maybe you also remember the statistics of death tolls? The British killed more civilians than the Germans killed soldiers, with inaccurate nighttime bombings. I don't sympathize with Nazism or anything like that and I'm pleased they are extinct politically since long ago. Yet it was the British who wanted a war with them, who wanted to interfere in their business. Under the pretext of democracy in Europe London probably was quite happy to throw some cards on the table in front of Nazi Germany, seeing it not as a demon but as an expanding rival in colonial affairs.
The European Union represents an unholy alliance between idiotic utopian left wingers and panic stricken right wingers who can't accept the natural decline of the importance of Europe. All of them cost us
I'm all for the break up of the Union, but let's just take a moment in celebrating Britain's natural disregard of the Nazi mass murderers. Perhaps the only occasion where Britain's celebration of class had a positive outcome!
