Taking our country back? I dont get it. Please explain

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  1. ragin cajun

    ragin cajun New Member

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    just the opposite, but your left wing agenda is well known.,
     
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    And your lack of credibility is legendary.
     
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    Because the people they want to shoulder the burden for their fiscal sanity are the lowest income earners in America. Three is nothing wrong about fiscal sanity, when its discussed in a fair manner. Currently, the conservatives are incapable of having that conversation without throwing a temper tantrum every time they dont get their way.
     
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    if republicans let Obama drive, no one is gonna blame republicans, if they try to drive us off the cliff, then we will blame republicans (can't have it both ways, either Obama drives and gets credit (good or bad) or republicans try to grab the wheel from the backseat and they take responsibility for any crash that occurs from their actions)
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    republicans want a nanny government that tells everyone what to believe, who to love and what to eat and drink

    liberals believe in letting the people decide these things for themselves, offering up education when needed, so they can make good decisions, but ultimately letting them decide for themselves


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  6. ragin cajun

    ragin cajun New Member

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    thats just not true. the plans offered by the GOP have put the burden on the high income people through elimination of tax loopholes. what obama wants to do is raise the rate and keep the loopholes, the rich will not pay more under the obama plan because they will find ways to dodge taxes just like the current treasury secretary Geithner.

    Nothing in any GOP plan would negatively impact low income people, that is just a blatant lie.
     
  7. ragin cajun

    ragin cajun New Member

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    really? obamacare is not nanny state? high taxes are not nanny state? more regulation on business is not nanny state? banning large soft drinks is not nanny state? Are you really as uninfomed as you seem?
     
  8. Turin

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    Now whos lying?


    The non-partisan Tax Policy Center found that the average taxpayer earning $1 million or more in cash income would see their taxes go up by an average of $72,000. A small number of those million-plus earners will see a tax cut, due to an anomaly in the Alternative Minimum Tax. But lower income earners will also see a tax hike. People making between $10,000 to $20,000 will see their taxes go up by an average of $262. People making $20,000 to $30,000 will see their taxes go up by $219.


    In fact, the only taxpayers who will get an overall tax cut under Plan B are those who earn between $200,000 and $1 million. People making between $200,000 and $500,000 will see an average tax cut of $301. Those making between $500,000 and $1 million will see their taxes go down by $164.


    The reason is that Plan B has two parts - raising taxes on high earners and eliminating deductions for low earners. The plan raises the tax rate for those making $1 million or more to 39.6 percent from its current rate of 35 percent. It would also raise the capital gains and dividend tax rates for those earners to 20 percent from 15 percent.


    Yet Plan B also eliminates many of the Obama-led tax credits that largely benefit low-income earners, including the 2009 enhancements to the child tax credit, the earned income tax credit and others. Repealing these credits hurts families with children the hardest, according the Tax Policy Center.
    This is not to say that Plan B is good or bad. But its true impact on taxes is broader than many in the House would lead us to believe.
     
  9. ragin cajun

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    Plan B never happened, but the obama plan is now law. Do you know that every taxpayer will see a 2% tax increase? EVERY TAXPAYER. The obozo plan eliminated the FICA withholding reduction---------soooooooo obama has now increased taxes on the poor and low income workers, the rich won't feel it. It will hit the low and middle income people hardest--------obama does not give a flying f**k about you, turin. He lied to you again. LOLOLOLOL how gulllible you lefties are.
     
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    Don't forget, getting your country back is not just getting rid of Obama, but "all" the blacks, latins, jews, gays, muslims, indians, or anyone else who doesn't look or think as they do.
     
  11. ragin cajun

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    again, thats simply a left wing lie. Returning our country to fiscal sanity, human dignity, and the basics truths of what is right and wrong, has nothing to do with race.

    But we are all aware of your left wing argument for everything ------------ "bush did it and you're racist" But its really getting old. Grow up!
     
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    And yet, with all the guns at your disposal, you do not fight.

    All trousers and no bollocks.
     
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    Jesus was a capitalist then?
     
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    And yet, after 5 years of this "atheist scum" being POTUS, you've done nothing, other than stroke your barrel of course; something I suspect you do most evenings.
     
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    Talk about fiscal sanity. Let's start off with this insanity; http://costofwar.com/ You want to talk about a basic truth about what is right and wrong. The "Right" puts these two "unfunded" recreational wars on the credit card and that is somehow fiscal sanity? It sounds like the "Right" is more interested in "driving" the country back, versus "getting" the country back.

    And you tell others to "grow up" preaching fiscal sanity, human dignity, and right or wrong. I think maybe it would be helpful first by teaching yourself a little math before you become the expert on "growing up". Understanding figures can go a long way to understanding what's "right or wrong", or for that matter, knowing whether you can afford to put something on a credit card or not.

    And you know, your right. Race hating has little to do with fiscal responsibility and human dignity. Which is why I never said that.You did! Planting false statements from a type writer is so typical of someone who needs to "grow up", don't you think?
     
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    I agree with you on our stupid wasteful wars, beginning with viet nam where 50,000 americans died in kennedy and johnson's war for nothing. the current stupidity in iraq and afghanistan should never have been started.

    But thats not the point is it? Taking our country back is not a partisan issue. Both parties are guilty of the liberalism that has gotten us to this point.

    we need to get past the partisan BS and realize that the real enemy is liberalism, progressiveism, marxism, socialism, or whatever ism you choose.

    this country was founded on individual freedom and small govt------------thats what we need to get back to.
     
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    WHEN exactly...were these "Good Ol' Days" the Right wants to take the country back to?!?!?

    Give me some dates.
     
  18. ragin cajun

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    you still don't get it, its not about going back in time. Its about going back to the founding principles of this country. we have gotten away from the constitution, the declaration of independence, and the basics that this country was based on---------------individual freedom and small federal govt.

    no one wants to go back to the 1700s or 1800s, that just a way for you libs to deflect from the real issue. But we get it "bush did it and you're racist". the mantra of the obama-left is well understood.
     
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    From 1946 thru 1967, the greatest era in American history.
     
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    I never look at the murder of Jack-Jack from this perspective, 911. Interesting. Very Interesting.
     
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    We would be better off without those people, there is no doubt about that.
     
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    Tell it! Tell it my good man.
     
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    The reality is that the only authority that each and every person on this planet has it over YOURSELF. Parents do not even have authority over their children being that if the child does not want to abide by their words, there is nothing and no one to force them to obey. The only authority is over self and that is where it begins and ends.
     
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    Okay....then AT SOME POINT in our past (note all the uses of past tense verbs)....we HAD that, right?

    When?
     
  25. Libhater

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    We (AMERICA) had all those principles of the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, individual freedom and a small federal government form the inception of our Constitution up to our industrial revolution when America was thriving. My guess is that it started to go downhill around 1890 with the passin gof the Sherman Act that became the first time the government started to interfere with the industrialists with undue regulations. Once that bill got enacted--the libs and progressives (yes, that includes teddy roosevelt) had a field day with their new love for power via our federal government. The basics of having a competitive free market absent from overburdening taxes and regulations was all but lost during that era of unbridled socialism/progressivism. Welcome to today's era of unbridled socialism/progressivism. Thank you obama
     

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