Why is Birth rate in Israel's Ethiopian Jews declining?

Many decnt Israelies have left and many are struggling to find somewhere else to live , a brave few decent one arehoping for a miracle , that those Jewish extremists like Avigdor Lieberman Ysrael Beiteinu + religious nutters Shas , etc. yearning for a Greater Israel , would go away - hopelessly in vain. .

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The only realistic hope is when those idiots in America have the guts to pressure Israel into respecting Palestinians legitimate rights and those of their non-Jewish neighbours..

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I wasn't discussing them or asking about them. You and Jack were. I defer to Gilos. I know what you can read in the general press and unlike Jack it would seem to me that they are right wingers who live in annexed areas. They are not people who have come from abroad as Jack suggest, nor do they live in tents as Jack indicated. They are Israelis of a particular radical persuasion. I understand that they are radicals and fanatic. That is the extent of what I know, not much.

 

Google it Jack. Should we be confronted with your every passing thought on the matter?

 

I don't get most of my information from the press Liebe. With regard to settlements have a look at this 2009 project done by the PIJ for the EU http://www.pij.org/pijpapers/settlements_pijpaper.pdf

Back then they knew if settlement construction was not stopped a two state solution would not be possible and advised warning in arguments that a one state solution would be the result if settlements were not dismantled. This was the report which also suggested than non criminal settlers could join a Palestinian State if they wished, because contrary to your knowledge, abuse and violence from settlers has been a long term thing;

You clearly do not keep up with what is going on. As I said about a Year ago Avnery was saying that the extremism in the settlements had reached such a level that only a minority of mainly Americans had not fallen for it. This was not because all settlers were fanatics but because a very few were but they had managed to infiltrate the thinking of the others.

Since the first UN vote, Palestinians have had their houses blown up, their water and electricity supplies taking over or destroyed and been made in particular to get out of area C. Bennett has now announced the reason for this activity which was obvious at the time. He wants it free of Palestinians. It is possible Liebe, to read enough to come to your own conclusions.

It is totally unacceptable that unarmed civilians suffer as the Palestinians do in areas that the settlers want. Now not every IDF will go along with that and from that we got things like Breaking the Silence. However the number coming out is far too few.

I have seen videos of Settlers beating up Palestinians whose homes they want while the IDF looks on. That particular one was also witnessed by Israeli's working to try and get some justice for the Palestinians. There are many many videos of this kind of abuse which have been made possible because I think it was B'Tselem who provided them with cameras so that they could provide evidence for something which contrary to what you say rarely gets into the newspapers or heard on TV. The Western World has become blind to the suffering of the Palestinians.

http://www.btselem.org/settler_violence/law_enforcement

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...tler-attacks-on-palestinians.premium-1.431798

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...ers-from-palestinian-village-s-lands-1.456904

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs...e-they-cant-kill-palestinians-more-freely-due

and how could I have forgotten about 'price tags'

http://electronicintifada.net/conte...attacks-not-just-few-settler-extremists/11852

You try living in conditions like this and then you can tell me it is acceptable.

and check out this documentary.
http://www.mercurymedia.org/programmes/this-is-my-landhebron/

 

When you find out, please let us know...

 

Gilos.

He mentioned tents.

 

It was GILOS who first mentioned the bloody tents.

Not me.

Further, I ASKED where the settlers were coming from, I did not suggest where from.

Are you physically able to write something, without twisting it?

 

Interesting how you tell others to google - but consistly refuse to do so yourself.:

 

Alexa - you're flogging a dead mule if you think Liebe-vitch will read /attempt to understand what you've said or follow /click on any of those links

Chines proverb _ " Closed mind -- like closed book = - block of wood. "



tata.


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Lol. And the crickets were also chirping after I said that the abortion rate was, all in, unusually high, in Israel, and that of all pregnancies, between a quarter and a third, for some unknown reason, end in abortion.

Of course, as always, I got the ill mannered demands for 'proof', followed by the usual tired snippy remark that none would be forthcoming.

I offered, two valid sources, and a personal testimony from a women that has lived in Israel 30yrs, and whose daughter went through a personal experience ,together with the names of the clinicians, in some cases.

I went to all the trouble to get it together, in the hope, that for once, just for once, it may be taken on, or even commented on.

Crickets.

So it is just not worth it.

 

They come from other settelments in the area, an already existing settelments, they are armed because Palestinians break intoi their settelments and try to murder them, or shoot/throw rocks when they drive their cars.

Tents, you heard right, sometimes a few drive to some hill and start a "new settelment" with tents, they bring food and sleeping bags, they know they will be arrested so they dont plan on staying more than 24 h. then the army comes and push them away. most of the times they agree to withdraw peacfuly.

You wouldnt get me sleeping there either, its freezing cold in winter, but these ppl are fanatics, I once evicted a person from a hill that asked to finsh a prayer before we do, the man grabbed the tree and earth and cried (with tears and all) while praying, If i had to bet, these kind of ppl will gladly die for that land they feel a direct connection to.

 

Ppl that call me a liar wont succed in shutting me up, ill always say what I want to say and you make what you want from it, I dont care.

I hardly read Hbendor posts thats why you dont see me react,

The gov approvments of new housing in Jeruslaem, no new settelments were approved for at least 20 years, if im wrong give me a name of a new settelment and ill check it out, as far as I know new posts are evicted shortly after they are created.

 

The new posts/temporay settelments that they try to have from time to time are from tents, the old settelments with 10'sk of pop are stone houses just like any other, in some places they have caravans too.

 

With respect , imo and many others including most Internation Justs - it matters not whether its Tents - Caravans - or concrete bunkers , its illegal. INformation abt those Jewish colonization of Palestinian lands , APN 's account sounds better researched and more credible than that of any Israel individual- Hasbarist - trying to present it in a better light.

Here's pinpoint map of settlements + OUTPOSTs

http://peacenow.org/map.php

Click on sub-link in Red to see list of "outposts "

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Are settlements illegal? According to APN

Most international lawyers consider settlements to be violations of Article 49, paragraph 6 of the Geneva Convention of 1949, which declares it illegal for an occupying force to transplant civilian populations into occupied lands. Israel's High Court of Justice has refused to rule on the legality of settlements, (one can but wonder why so ?)
while Israeli government attorneys have argued that the Geneva Convention does not apply to settlements. (HUH)?

Moreover, while Israel has formally annexed the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem and extended its sovereignty to these areas, these annexations are not recognized by the international community, including the United States.
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What are outposts?

Outposts are settlements built without official Israeli government sanction, typically after the mid-1990's, when the Israeli government undertook to stop approving new settlements. Unlike most settlements in the West Bank, outposts clearly violate Israeli law. However, some of the outposts have received funding from government agencies. At the request of then-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, in 2005 Israeli-government-attorney Talia Sasson produced the Sasson Report on outposts. The report includes details on how the ministries of Defense and Housing and Construction spent money from state budgets to support outposts. Under the Roadmap Agreement, Israel is obligated to evacuate all outposts built since 2001, but so far only about a dozen outposts have actually been evacuated.

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No record as yet how many of those outposts evacuated - in 2001 has since then been re-established. We'll no doubt learn more about it in due time , meanwhile it remains hidden.

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btw - most of todays brick built settlements - claimed by Israel Govt to be "legal" according to their laws , - began as outposts .


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Thank you for the honesty of confirming that I was right to state that you first cited this, and that I simply then asked you for more clarification, since someone tends to get v confused..

I still do not fully get it though. You don't live in a tent. If I were a Jew, and wanted to move to Israel, why not look on an Israeli property site, and do what I would do if I wanted to move to..have a look, see something in your price range for sale, then buy it. Then move into it. I am just not getting why they have to live in tents, in freezing cold conditions, with the odds, as you say, of said tent being vulnerable to attack. Do they have no money? Do they/can they work?

As to the last three lines, I imagine that is how the natives feel. I imagine that is how they feel, and worse, when their homes are bulldozed.

 

Jack he explained that they are fanatics. Where do you get the idea that they have no money or cannot work?

 

Given that you already made yet another balls up in this thread (that you do not even have the grace to admit), might I suggest you take the position, that I am asking Gilos questions here, and not you.

Please, let Gilos answer.

 

FANATICS ? Not so - your friend HBendor would disagree. I suggest you go to Israel and call them "fanatics " and see what happens .

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Facts :

" Why do people move to settlements?

Some settlers move to the West Bank for quality-of life reasons. As a result of government investment and incentives, Israelis can enjoy a much higher quality of life in settlements than inside Israel, and at a much lower cost. Others are motivated by ideology [ideological settlers] and view these territories as land rightfully belonging to the Jewish people. Others - mainly ultra-Orthodox Jews - moved to the West Bank mainly because of the availability of cheap, segregated housing (wholly orthodox communities) there.

source _ Jewish APN
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More poor memory. I called them fanatics and have nothing to do with Bendor.

 

Oh another imagined balls up of a thread. Oh my goodness, are you upset again?

If you want a private chat with Gilos, perhaps a forum is not the place for you?

 

No.

I just wish you would actually get something right, for once.

And have the grace to admit it, when you do not.

As to Gilos, I shall ask any member here a question.

Nothing to do with you.

 

Although outposts built without official Israeli government sanction, it however continues to enjoy considerable support from several Knesset members, including Shas + Avigdor LIeberman 's Ysrael Beiteinu Party.

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I feel the same way about you, I mean in respect of getting nothing right.

I will feel free to respond to any posts here I like and encourage you to seek a private means of communication with a poster if you wish to exclude that option. I am sure that Gilos would love to make your personal aquaintance.

 

Do what you want.

But if I am asking someone else, I want them to answer, and will not read your answer.

Which is my right.

Ta ta..

 

Yes you often tell me that you will not respond to me until I meet one or another of your requirements. You can read whatever you like as I can post in response to whatever I like.