Homosexuality is a Mental Disorder

Mental illness is disease.

BS- Homosexuality is not a mental illness, period. It's already been established by the scientific community. Get over it and worry about yourself, and leave others alone.

 

When's the last time you saw a left-handed person lose his job (outside of, say, professional baseball, where being left-handed makes a performance difference) for being left-handed? When was the last time left-handed people had to suppress a gigantic part of who they were in order to get by? The analogy falls apart when talking about the pride parades for a large variety of reasons.

Oh? Enlighten me. From what I've heard, there's the Mark Regnerus paper, which was called "bull(*)(*)(*)(*)" (actual quote) by the journal's auditing board, eventually retracted by Regnerus, and containing flaws even a layman can see, that countless right-wingers just picked up and ran with despite that.

So... What's so great about "normal"? I mean, at this point, "normal" is "raised by a divorced single mother, seeing the father rarely". At least, by how you seem to define normal (or have we changed definitions again)? I don't give two (*)(*)(*)(*)s about normal. Kids could be raised by two genetically modified Orangutans for all I care, so long as they did as well as the norm.

Well, seeing as virtually every negative side effect of homosexuality is caused by said "feelings-hurting"... yeah, maybe we should worry about that.

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When's the last time you saw a left-handed person lose his job (outside of, say, professional baseball, where being left-handed makes a performance difference) for being left-handed? When was the last time left-handed people had to suppress a gigantic part of who they were in order to get by? The analogy falls apart when talking about the pride parades for a large variety of reasons.

Oh? Enlighten me. From what I've heard, there's the Mark Regnerus paper, which was called "bull(*)(*)(*)(*)" (actual quote) by the journal's auditing board, eventually retracted by Regnerus, and containing flaws even a layman can see, that countless right-wingers just picked up and ran with despite that.

So... What's so great about "normal"? I mean, at this point, "normal" is "raised by a divorced single mother, seeing the father rarely". At least, by how you seem to define normal (or have we changed definitions again)? I don't give two (*)(*)(*)(*)s about normal. Kids could be raised by two genetically modified Orangutans for all I care, so long as they did as well as the norm.

Well, seeing as virtually every negative side effect of homosexuality is caused by said "feelings-hurting"... yeah, maybe we should worry about that.

 

Sometimes being brutally honest is necessary, I'll grant you that. Political Correctness can be a problem when it blocks discussion about a serious problem. But what you've failed to do is establish any reason why homosexuality should be treated as a serious problem that causes substantial harm. So, without any good cause, you espouse and promote such opinions that are damaging to the well-being and self-esteem of gay youth. And you have every right to do so, political correctness be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed, but you should at least be aware of what you're doing.

 

What I get from this and every other thing that you've said in this topic, is that because you cannot understand why a man would reject the 'beauty' of a woman and instead seek a male partner, that it -must- be a disorder. Because you cannot grasp it.

I can't understand for the life of me why anyone would enjoy eating oysters, or listening to heavy metal music... does my inability to comprehend why they do so mean they are "mentally disordered", given that it's not only myself who lacks a preference for those things, but the majority of society? That seems to check all the boxes of what constitutes a mental disorder given the reasoning you've provided us with.

You are clearly very arrogant, self-centred and egotistical - in so far as you seemingly coming to the outrageous conclusion those who do not feel the same as you must be mentally defective in some way. You say it's impossible for a man to "mate" with another man. Which of course is true... but we are under no impressions that our sex lives lead to offspring. We aren't trying to mate. Our sex is for pleasure and bonding, just like the vast majority of heterosexual sex.

By your contorted logic, a woman who marries a sterile man is mentally disordered because she is "mating" with someone who can't impregnate her.

 

if Homosexuality is a Mental Disorder, then so is Heterosexuality or Bisexuality or being left or right handed, as the mind controls all of these and more

 

And PatriotNews "liked" funinsnow's post... that should tell you a lot about the calibre of his intellectual faculties.

 

Because PatriotNews knows I'm right It's right to be bigoted against gay/lesbian sexual behaviors & transexuality just as it's right to be bigoted against drug junkyism. Pam Spaulding is a Black lesbian whose lesbian lovers have smelled her farts. It's best for gays/lesbians to be celibate even if orientation doesn't change. Elton John wears diapers possibly because of 'gay bowel' syndrome. Childhood sex abuse especially homosexual rape is a major cause of gay behaviors because boys who are homosexually raped are more likely to do gay behaviors in adulthood. I've never heard a straight person blame childhood sex abuse for reason a man is married to a woman & has kids with her but I've heard some gays & lesbians blame bad things such as childhood sex abuse. Truth that homosexual & lesbian sexual behaviors are comparable to smoking crack and drug junkyism. People who do gay/lesbian sexual behaviors are more likely to be drug junkies, eating disorders and so it goes. Disgusting stuff are gay/lesbian sexual behaviors and homosexuals need to hear disgusting truth about harms of gay/lesbian sexual behaviors though they can't tolerate it. Transexuals need to be told that sex changes are mutilations which must be abolished and that they're mutilated people. If transexuals commit suicide because they can't tolerate truth being told about transexuality being useless, then again that is a 'disguised blessing' Abolishing sex changes and finding a cure for homosexual/lesbian behavior is what makes world a better place.

 

Uh, well... it must be nice for you that someone does.

 

Mental illness is not a disease. Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder until recent political pressure on the medical community forced them to change it.

In public, people can tell I am left handed when they see me write, and if gays didn't point out that they were gay every 5 minutes, nobody would know.

Too boring to even follow up on that. Please make you point in a brief and cogient argument.

No, see, normal would be a mother and a father. But there is an analogy we both can agree upon, being raised by gays is the equivalent of being raised by orangutans.

Did I say that?

Well there we go with the self esteem stuff again. I don't know one kid that hasn't had self esteem problems gay or straight to some extent. Regardless, a treatment or cure for homosexuality would at least aleviate issues of self esteem for gays.

This is true, and at the same time common sense tells me it is stupid to placate to homosexuals because it is easier that to be truthful to them.

Eating oysters and listening to heavy metal music does not lead to devient sexual behavior and is therefore not a valid comparison.

Those who disagree with me are not necessarily mentally defective, however to them I may appear to be very arrogant, self-centered and egotistical only because people who are confident in their logical conclusions project an appearance of highly intellectual competence. I have never said heterosexual sex is only for procreation.

Again, sex is not only for procreation.

So says you.

 

Or you could worry about something that's actually important to treat, of which the world has no shortage of. That would be a poor use of funds IMO, used just to treat the sensibilities of people such as you rather than an actual problem that causes hardship to effected individuals.

 

A load of BS conspiracy theory. Tin foil on sale in aisle 12!

People kind of guess I'm gay when I hold hands with my boyfriend in public. Otherwise, I don't discuss it that much. Does that scare you too? Because no one here is bothered.

True.

False. It would be laughable if it weren't so sad. And BTW, it's usually the sign of something else- something that will leave your girlfriend feeling very unsatisfied.

 

Oh I'm not all that worried about it, just expressing my opinion on the subject. My sensibilities are just fine, thank you.

I don't expect homosexuals to be enlightened by the truth, it is understandable that given the last 30 or 40 years of people telling them that they are normal for them to not investigate the truth, or for them to deny the truth once presented to them factually.

See, now I didn't know you were gay until you told me. I guess it is easy to assume that men that act effeminately are gay but the solution to that would be to act like a man, not a little girl.

Apparently I have satisfied more women than you ever will.

I think the word homophobe should apply to gay men who are afraid of women. They are so deeply terrified of being rejected by women that they have morphed their sexual proclivities inside out and find it easier to find men who are of like mind. I think the same could be true for women who are afraid of men and become lesbians.

 

This is sheer comedy gold! "Oh- look at me! Big, nasty, hetero MAN who satisfy many women! Me rule world!"

Afraid of being rejected by women? Are you kidding me? In case you haven't noticed, women love gay men. This is seriously the funniest post I've read all day. Thanks man, I needed the laugh! That was awesome! I'm gonna have to print this out and hang it on the wall of my office. Seriously- I almost spit water on my keyboard.

 

Always with the personal attacks. First you question my ability to satisfy women, then you disingenuously misrepresent my statement with a quote which is far from anything I said. Your farcical behavior says more about your character than your statements say about mine.

As far as women loving gay men, seriously. That is because so many act like little women and take on a feminine persona that it is fun to have a "gay little friend" around, kinda like the little toy dogs that are fashionable lately. But believe me, they may appeared enamoured with you when you are in their presence, but they are as disgusted with you when your back is turned as anyone else is. That's how women are you know, they are fickle. I've seen women get that "ick" look on their faces as their gay friends walk away.

Remember that movie "When Harry met Sally"? One of the things was men and women can never be just friends. Well, with gay men, there is an exception, and women are more accepting of male friends that are gay because there is zero chance that the gay men will hit on them.

 

You've been nothing but one big personal attack in here. I take all the things you say about people like me very personally.

You're pretty funny though. A comedian couldn't write material this good, I must say. I need to send this stuff to Jon Stewart. As far as me acting like a little girl- sorry to disappoint you, but I'm a 6'3" 200# hockey player in a men's league in Chicago and work in advertising. Everyone knows I'm gay and doesn't care. I also hate musicals and shopping. But hey- you've got your little stereotypes in your mind of what all gay men must be like, so feel free to live in your sad little world.

Can't wait til we're able to get married. That'll be a real stinger for ya.

 

I'm sure your teammates are more accepting than those fickle women at nail salon. Well at least as accepting as Chris Culliver. Nothing here that I've said has been intended to be an attack on any individual. Chris Culliver should not have to appologize for the way he feels, because 98% of us feel the same way, it's just not politically correct to say so. So some of us have to keep it real.

 

Everything you said here was directed at gay people in general, including me. It's personal, whether you like it or not. And yes, Chris Culliver should apologize for being a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag. He's supposed to be selling football, not pissing off his fans. And if 98% of "you" feel this way, then why does most of the country now approve of equal marriage rights for same sex partners?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-marriage.aspx

And you're right- all my teammates, as well as opposing teams are supportive of me. I've made a lot of good friends playing this game. No one cares about who's gay or whatever anymore. We want to win, and we're stronger together, not apart.

Here's something else to chew on:

http://youcanplayproject.org

And look what else looks bad for you:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/29/us-usa-gaymarriage-money-idUSBRE90S15820130129

 

That's just BS. People/organizations with far greater credibility than what is mustered in this forum... make it clear enough that the OP is just more homophobic nonsense.

 

Homophobia distorts perceptions of social reality for many.

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More homophobic BS.

 

Homosexuals can't have kids on their own - they'd have to adopt or do artificial insemination, so that's one disadvantage.

 

I don't expect homophobes to even 'relate' the truth.

 

...Which is something you still have not, within any reasonable bounds, established. Hell, what am I saying, reasonable bounds; you haven't offered jack (*)(*)(*)(*) as far as real evidence is concerned for this particular argument. NARTH? Really? Is that the best you can do?

Or you could write with your other hand to hide the fact that you're left-handed. People used to do that. And you know what? People tend to notice that you're gay, unless you take special steps to hide it. Act like any heterosexual would - bringing your significant other out on dates, kissing in public, renting one-bed hotel rooms together - and people will notice. And... Well, people don't like to notice, in oh so many cases.

Are you bad at reading or something? My point was that I have heard of exactly one paper asserting that children raised by homosexual couples or singles do worse than equally well when compared to children raised by heterosexual couples or singles, that this paper created a stir when it was published because it contradicted the overwhelming, 30-year-established consensus of the time, and that it contained so many flaws that the author was forced to retract it and it really never should have made it through peer review to begin with. Do you have other data I haven't heard about? Because please, by all means, if you do, show me.

Okay, so how do you define normal? Clearly it's not the way you defined it back when you painted homosexuals as abnormal. After all, in several areas, most kids are raised not by a mother and a father, but by single parents. In Mississippi, we're talking 47% state-wide. One hell of a norm, that at most 53% of people follow, eh? Hell, in Puerto Rico, we're already above 50%!

Yep, if said orangutans were capable of being loving, caring parents who raise their children just as well as "normal" parental couples.

Of course, you utterly missed what I was trying to say, probably on purpose. My point was that why does it matter who raises the children if the results are the same? There is no demonstrated difference between homosexual and hetereosexual couples raising children. None. Homosexuals do just as well, and there is no demonstrable difference on pretty much any metric. It may seem "bizarre" or "abnormal" to you, but your problem has nothing to do with how well the children are being raised (because, again, there's no difference) - it has to do with the fact that they're being raised by gay people, and you just don't like that for some reason. What, are you worried they'll become gay? Because straight people don't have that problem, right?

No. I did. You cannot draw a causative link between homosexuality and almost any of the problems correlated with homosexuality (save for STD transmission rates, although the high rate of STD infection among homosexuals is also partially to blame on their marginalization). You can, however, draw the link very easily between those problems and the gigantic amount of abuse, hate, scorn, harassment, and straight-up discrimination that homosexuals face in today's society.

Yeah. You know what else would do that? Not teaching your kid to be an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*). I'm going to quote possibly my favorite columnist ever, Dan Savage, on that topic in the next post, as I've run out of characters in this one.

The fact is, there is no anti-gay therapy that works - just ask Ted Haggard. There is no way to make people stop being gay, and were it not for bigots like you, we wouldn't need it in the first place! And you have the nerve to suggest that when one group of people is making life a living hell for another group of people, the ones who ought to change are those suffering? Might as well say, "Well, that racism thing sucks, but once we perfect pigment therapy, nobody will have to be black, so all our problems will be solved!" ...Or, you know, we could stop letting racist (*)(*)(*)(*)wits get their way ever god(*)(*)(*)(*) time. That would work too. It'd also be a hell of a lot cheaper, and involve a lot less victim-blaming.

Placate? Oh, you mean not treating them like second-class citizens or "damaged goods" simply because of something you can't change, can't fix, and will never effect you?

You might not be eating the right oysters. Or the wrong oysters. Depending on how you see it. But here's the thing: deviant sexual behavior is opinion. You consider homosexuality deviant. I don't. And all you have to go on here is your opinion.

You're confident in your conclusions, and yet half of them are dead wrong and the other half are entirely your own opinion. It's like if you said, "My favorite color is black, the grass is purple, and I only appear arrogant because I'm really confident in my logical conclusions".

Factually? Well, how about some god(*)(*)(*)(*) facts, then? You simply attempt to redefine homosexuality as a mental disorder (which no respectable psychological organization in the world does at this point) with no evidence, you assert that children are worse-off with homosexual parents despite overwhelming contradictory evidence, you assert a massive, discipline-wide conspiracy based entirely on the word of a known evangelical hate group, and you have the gall to assert that we don't "investigate the truth"? Oh, and I guess you throw out insulting, meaningless, and untrue stereotypes as well:

Wow. Just wow.

And I'm Angelina Jolie. Welcome to the internet, bud. Might as well claim you graduated at the head of your class at the Navy SEALS academy.

You know, if you want to assert "I'M RIGHT! I'M RIGHT! NO REALLY, THE REASON I SEEM LIKE SUCH A GIGANTIC (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) IS JUST BECAUSE I'M RIGHT ALL THE TIME", then it might help your case not to spout ignorant claptrap from decades ago. Like, these people you just described? They basically don't exist.

 

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For what it's worth, lesbians can actually, with the help of IVF, give birth to a child which is, biologically, theirs.

 

I want the OP what defines a mental disorder and explain how homosexuality fits that description.

 

Being raised by homosexual parents is not ideal for any child, anything said to the contrary is just political correctness.