Homosexuality is a Mental Disorder

You simply 'believe' that; you have not proven that to any reasonable degree.

 

That's my observation yeah - however even if it was true, it wouldn't be politically correct to say it.

 

Hey, I'm just trying to enlighten people to the reality that the rampant homophobia in our society isn't helping anything to get better.

 

Kids raised by homosexual couples are more likely to get bullied or have poor self-esteem from it, so you can blame homophobia for that if you want, but it's still a reality.

 

The problem then is with the morons and homophobes who choose to torment them... not with the "homosexual couples".

 

Ideal? I never said ideal. I pointed out that it was by every measure statistically equivalent to being raised by straight parents. There has been no legitimate study conducted that showed anything else, and numerous studies which confirmed that. Now, whether or not you considered being raised by a married, straight couple the ideal is your thing, but the fact is that being raised by homosexual parents is equivalent to that by virtually every metric. That's not political correctness, that's the overwhelming consensus of all scientific research on the subject.

Oh, of course, but that's never stopped people. And "your observation" is based on what, exactly? The extremely high number of people raised by homosexuals you know?

The former is true. The latter? Not so much. The U.S. National Longitudinal Lesbian Family study found that kids in lesbian households actually performed better in things like self-esteem and confidence, even though they were more likely to be bullied about their parents' sexuality. They're also more likely to be well-equipped to deal with bullying. Hmm, wonder why...

Yes. And what's the solution? Stop gay couples from raising kids, or stop people from being homophobic asshats? Do we blame the victim or start acting like adults?

 

And dailykos. But it is no less true that homosexuality was considered a mental illness just 40 years ago, no matter who I use as a source. I understand that this is a very sensitive subject, and people may get their feelings hurt. But you just gotta man up and take it like a man. It hurts because so many people have been lying to you for so many years.

Look at how many problems have come into being for our entire society as a result of all this acceptance of gay behavior. Boy Scouts both scout leaders and scouts, gay marriage, gays in the church, gays in the military, gay adoption, gays in the NFL locker rooms, gay pride parades with gays running around naked in front of children acting like fools, and on and on. It's created more problems than it is worth. All I'm saying, is that in this modern day and age we should be spending more money on finding a cure for homosexuality and we wouldn't have all these problems.

 

Well maybe the Chris Cullivers of the world need to stand up for their rights too. Maybe he wants to shower without being eyed and ogled by a homosexual. Oh sure, you have changed some public opinions, and to your benefit, the older people are dying, and the younger generation, brainwashed by a liberal public education system is slowly turning the public opinion. The 98% refers to personal opinions (inside voice).

Point being, this has been a disasterous public policy to try to consider homosexuality a lifestyle choice rather that a mental disorder as it used to be considered. And because they have stopped considering it a mental disorder, they have done little research in to what causes it and how to fix it. I know that most homosexuals feel they don't need to be fixed, but if someone could take a pill and be cured, what would be wrong with that?

 

This is somewhat of a tangential problem. If we had a cure for homosexuality, there would be no problem. Children raised by single parents is also a problem that needs to be addressed. We need to keep families together when possible, or get these children positive father role models.

 

There is a lot of victimization in the gay community today and has been for a while. I don't hate gay people, and I don't want them to come to Jesus. I want them to get help from the medical community. It's the 21st Century man. You know when they have breast cancer marches its not to gain acceptance for breast cancer, its to find a cure. Maybe the gay pride parades can be raising money for a cure instead of belly aching that we are discriminated against and can't get married blah blah blah.

 

Where have you seen women get the "ick" look on their faces as their gay friends walked away? In your imagination, perhaps? Because someone like you would be extraordinarily out of touch with gay people. Or more apt, gay people would wish to be extraordinarily out of touch with you.

Women don't get "icky" over their friends, so quite the dumb comment to make.

"Ick" is reserved for non-friends and people we don't like. Friends are friends. No "ick" about it.

I get "ick" over homophobic men. They lack substance and sense. They're arrogant and dumb-headed. Ick ick ick.

 

Okay let's just assume that you are right and there is nothing to fix or cure homosexuality.

My question is, if there were a cure for homosexuality, what would be wrong with that? Can anyone tell me?

As far as race is concerned, I am not concerned about race at all. In a thousand years or ten thousand years, there will have been so much mixing of the races that there will no longer be a white, black or asian race, but a blend of all three, and there is nothing wrong with that either. People make too much about race and ethnic origins and nationality.

 

Which is also just an opinion piece, with very little of anything amounting to factual citations.

Yes. And 40 years ago, just like today, there was no basis for it. I mean, look at the DSM5's definition for mental illness:

1 is a given, I could even grant 2 (although I highly question whether you could call it a "dysfunction")... But 3? There is no clinically significant distress caused by homosexuality, as much as you want to assert it, and equally, no disability. Any distress caused is essentially entirely the result of conflicts with society!

Or, we could go straight from the DSM-II:

...They go on to say:

So... Apparently, the reason they stopped considering it a mental illness has something to do with the fact that it just straight-up doesn't fit the definition of mental illness.

Yeah, see, nice assertion, but it would be really great if it wasn't backed by virtually nothing, and crafted out of full-cloth bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

Translation: "Look at how many things I dislike have come into being..."

The boy scouts have been forced to deal with the reality that some people are gay, and face the popular consequences of holding an antiquated, ridiculous view on homosexuality. Bad blowback for them, but also pretty much entirely their own fault, with virtually no negative consequences to the rest of us.

This is supposed to be bad? Why? It has nothing to do with you, and makes a whole lot of people very happy.

This happened before the acceptance of homosexuality as well, you know... And again, this is supposed to be bad why?

This is supposed to be bad, why? Troop demoralization? Hey, you know the last time this argument was offered ? Let me let the west wing cue you in...

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Again, this is bad in your opinion - children raised by homosexuals do just as well as children raised by heterosexuals.

You know, if a bunch of football jocks are insecure about their sexuality, that's their problem. There are already laws against sexual harassment. What's more, you know what's interesting about homosexuals? They have had to learn a skill that straight people often do not have in such situations: restraint and self-control.

Gay pride parades generally don't get to ignore indecent exposure laws that are already in place. Or, to quote the police chief of Seattle:

...Yeah...

If we're saying things like "right X has created more trouble than it's worth", then I'd feel obligated to mention the right to bear arms. Of course, we don't generally calculate the value of rights like that, and for good reason. We're dealing with the fundamental acceptance of people here. What's the alternative here?

Or, we could not waste a lot of money, stigmatizing countless people in the process, and accept that virtually all "problems" of homosexuality come down not to anything inherent to homosexuality, but rather to subjective problems that bigoted and/or insecure people have. None of your problems are objectively "problems". Rather, they virtually all come down to you not liking homosexuals, or people being too insecure to be naked around homosexuals. If you can't deal with that, that is your problem.

 

What, you mean that they pretend that they're victims of discrimination? Or that they actually are? Because only one of those is true, and it's not the one that paints you and your ilk in a positive light.

Imagine that homosexuals were to actively say, "We need to be fixed". What impression would that give? What message would that send to the gay youth? "You're broken. No, we can't fix you yet..." They already get that enough, why do you think they are so much more likely to try to kill themselves? This entire lag time between "we need a cure" and "we have a cure" would be an absolutely horrible time to be homosexual. And it neglects the very important fact that most homosexuals are perfectly happy with who they are. That, for the most part, there's really no problem with being gay, despite your best pathetic attempts at demonstrating otherwise.

There is no such thing as a white, black, or asian race now. The entire concept of victorian-era race is entirely bull(*)(*)(*)(*) from start to finish, when you look at genetics. And you completely ignored the analogy. How... typical.

 

Actually, according to most recent polls, it's around 48%. And falling. Your bigoted way is going the way of the dodo bird, and that's a good thing.

Tell me, though, why in the world do you care so much about others sexual behaviors?

 

There's no reason to get help from the medical community, because there's nothing wrong with us. The vast majority of the medical community agrees. Why are you so concerned with what other people do? It has no effect on you.

 

There's no reason to get help from the medical community, because there's nothing wrong with us. The vast majority of the medical community agrees. Why are you so concerned with what other people do? It has no effect on you.

Haha! You straight boys really think you're all super hot, don't you? Wow- what an ego. Truth is- most straight guys are kinda gross. Most of you are fat after the age of 21, and your personal hygiene and grooming leave a lot to be desired. I feel bad for women having to put up with that. As for Chris Culliver, he has little reason to worry about anybody checking him out in the shower. He's one ugly ****er.

Don't worry- we tend to stick to our own. We have no desire to go after straight guys. Yuck. Nice to have for friends, but that's about it.

 

"Love" is one thing, and respect is another. Nobody respects homosexuals, because they don't respect themselves - which of course is why they are compelled to find ways to compensate, most notably by intimidating others into pretending they are normal.

What makes you think it has any to offer?

 

We do respect ourselves. Are you intimidated? Aww...

 

Hey yguy, quick question.

Are you a psychic?

 

Please, you've spent most of your lives forgetting who you are.

Nope.

 

WTF are you talking about? I'm constantly amazed at the ignorance displayed by so many people.

 

N*gga, I said, are you a psychic?

 

If you don't know what I'm talking about, how do you know I'm being ignorant?

Hmmmm.

 

Because it's quite clear that even you don;t know what you're talking about.