People are becoming less religious

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  1. mutmekep

    mutmekep New Member

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    The country i live is populated by christian taliban with 93% stating theist and over 90% orthodox christian , those who do go to the church are around 10% because dogma does not require it . Religion is a personal thing.

    On the morals issue

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    Solon's 10 commandments

    Solon lived ~700 years before the bible thing .
     
  2. OverDrive

    OverDrive Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If one follows the NT scriptures, they talk about a great Apostasy or falling away from the faith into the end times:

    Scripture mentions an apostasy in Matthew 24:4-12; Mark 13:21-23; Luke 21:7-8; Acts 20:29-30; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12; 2 Timothy 3:1-7, 4:1-4; 2 Peter 2:1-3; and Jude 17-19.

    Matthew 24:4-12
    9 “Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 At that time many will fall away and will betray one another

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-12
    3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed

    2 Timothy 3:1-7, 4:4
    3 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come...5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power

    4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

    2 Peter 2:1-3
    2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;

    Jude 17-19
    18 ... “In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.”

    Many see the 'end times' (2000 yrs following the death/resurrection of Christ) as having already begun as in Europe, where their olden churches are but tourist attractions; and is presently happening in the U.S.

    There are many causes leading into spiritual abandonment, such as: discredited ministries (money-grubbing preachers, false prophets, and pedophilia), a false prosperity msg stressing $$$ over prospering body, soul & spirit, science being used to divide rather than bring harmony to the scriptures, and the self-worship of modern ppl who have little care to give to charity but rather spend on themselves, etc. etc.

    But, God always has His 'remnant' of true followers...
     
  3. perdidochas

    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    My opinion differs. Church helps me to keep important things in mind. I would still be a good person without church (my agnostic father is), but I find it easier to be a good person with the aid of Church. IMHO, Church works with human nature in a positive way. If you feel otherwise, that's your right. I won't insult you for it. I just know it works for me.
     
  4. Vanka

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    Yep, theists have always been paranoid about loosing numbers. You'd think if you really had a convincing "truth" it would be obvious to everyone and the number in the club just wouldn't be a concern. Absolutely everyone would want in!
     
  5. elijah

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    who's paranoid? It seems he's stating that its all expected.
     
  6. robini123

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    I disagree with the whole end of days thing as I reject the Bible. But with that said, your listed reasons for the decline of Christianity is spot on IMO. I personally believe that Christianity has been by in large hijacked by those who seek to use it to further their own selfish agendas... not God's.
     
  7. Vanka

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    All of christianity. Scared they'll go to hell. Think Jesus will save them. Christianity in a nut shell! :)

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    Thats always been the case so it must be something else.
     
  8. elijah

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    Why would a CHRISTIAN be scared he's going to Hell? Thats senseless.......

    An unbeliever has a right to fear that, but not a CHRISTIAN.
     
  9. Vanka

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    Exactly! They become christians because they're afraid of going to hell and think Jesus will save them from it. I see you've got it now! :)
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    only a believer believes in hell.... Christians believe Jesus will save them from hell

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  11. WhatNow!?

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    Uh, an unbeliever doesn't believe in hell or any other fairy stories created to scare the weak.

    Why has the threat of hell been used by chrsitians to control their "flock" ?

    You are claiming no christians sin so they won't go to hell? Don't make me laugh!
     
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    I agree with Vanka, the church has always been rife with selfish agendas, right from their beginning..

    if there could've been hidden microphones when the Popettes were deciding on a new Pope we could've heard a lot of agendas and not all of them would've been sweetness and light and love of fellow man.. :)
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nothing but good can come from a decline in religiosity in the US. A country with more rational thinkers and less bigotry. I'm all for it.
     
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    So how is the US different from Russia or China?
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Geographic location, population size and demographics, economy, military strength.... You going somewhere with that question? Hopefully it isn't to the same tired fallacy about atheism.
     
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    Nowhere you have stones enough to go, obviously.

    I have no way of knowing, since I have no idea what "fallacy" you're talking about.
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If by "stones" you mean "ignorance," then you're right.
     
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    Not sure if you are from US, but if so then your quote is a perfect example of the weakness that occurs as people lose or lack Christianity in the United States. A citizen that see's nothing remarkable about the freedoms and blessings they have in this country is not a citizen that works to keep what they have. It is funny...how as a rule those that turn away from God lose the perspective that allows them to keep the lifestyle, freedoms and way of life they enjoy. Its like they don't see what they have. And is the first step towards a country that will be taken over by another belief system or by another nation or by a totaltarian force.
     
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    got any stats to back that up?
     
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    Stats? I have history. I know many people who have no faith, but patriotism is an embarressment to them and they often look at the U.S culture as the enemy of the world. And the only atheist nations tend to be the ones run by dictators and totaltarians....where religious nations depending on the religion can seem to go either way.

    Its pretty much in front of your nose if you would care to look.
     
  21. gabriel1

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    exactly what is a religious nation? an atheist nation?
     
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    Nations where the majority of its citizens have faith in a power higher then they.
     
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    what nations don't?
     
  24. CKW

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    I would say China and North Korea and perhaps Russia don't quite qualify as nations of faith. Japan....its hard to say because they follow so many faith like traditions but don't admit to having strong faith.

    I think Europe is definately on the road out from a peoples of faith. Until Islam takes over.
     
  25. gabriel1

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    well you obviously know little of those countries and have no facts to back up your biases. as for your dictatorship theory, south and central America dissproved that long ago.
     

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