Australian crime statistics since the gun ban - homicides DOWN

Murders down



Same here - stats are DOWN


And while I am showing graphs - look at this one



Now, it is possible that one of the reasons why there is so much armed robbery in America is that you are on quite literally in an arms race - guns are easy to get so criminals get them - then the armed robbery rate rises as opposed to the unarmed robbery rate and suddenly people are getting guns to "defend themselves against criminals" who if this continues will be dragging around ICBM's

 

Ummmmm, who cares.

 

Lol...

 

Just setting the record straight - especially with those who keep insisting on the made up numbers floating around the internet

 

LOL Who cares?

 

Yes, interesting - the false stats are posted and the yanks are all over them trying to "prove" that crime became rampant after the gun buy back but when the REAL stats are posted - we get a "who cares"

All I can say is "Holy warped world view Batman!"

 

No really, it's Australia...who cares?

 

It`s common knowledge that greenies and anti gunners will lie, deceive and ignore reality, to force their agendas onto other people. How wet would we need to be, to believe that criminals were the first to hand their guns in? How blind to ignore the fact that the increased demand for black market hand guns, has created opportunities for organised crime, beyond their wildest dreams?

Common sense,is uncommon, in greenie and anti gunner circles.

 

Crims didn't hand their guns in but the WOMEN of the households - that was a different story!!

 

Simple question for you. Why did the number of Firearm Deaths drop from 629 in 1991 to 479 in 1995 without these touted gun laws. By my calculations that was a reduction of 150 deaths per year. In 2001, the number of deaths were down to 333. That was a reductions of 146 deaths per year. So, what are you claiming that Gun Control passed in 1996 did?

 

1996 was not the only time we enacted gun control

 

Another story, another fantasy, same thing.

 

The U.S. had a more radical drop in homicide rates in the same time period--ours almost halved.



Our violent crime and robbery rates also went down, again a steeper decline than Australia's.

 

http://www.calnews.com/archives/Metcalf13.htm
"Meanwhile crimes involving guns have soared during and since the Australian buyback. "Australian Customs acknowledges only a fraction of containers entering the country are searched for illegal weapons. Customs spokesman Leon Bedington said one inspector would need eight days to check a container load thoroughly."




http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...130118_1_gun-control-mandatory-gun-gun-deaths

"Researchers at the University of Melbourne, however, found no such improvement as a result of the new system. "There is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides or suicides," they wrote. "




http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17847

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AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
April 13, 2009

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

•In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

•Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
•During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
•Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
•Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
•At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
•Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.


http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

"and no matter the outcome of that analysis, the results aren't neccessarily applicable to the United States..."

Bottom line the "gun ban" In Australia has been a colossal failure!

 

I'm kind of surprised nobody called out the original post for being incorrect. Gun related assaults has been on the rise in Australia since the buy-back.

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

 

Hmmm - yes but then you had a much much much higher rate to play with in the beginning

Look I concede that correlation does not equal causation but that was not the point I was making - the reason I started this thread was to debunk the lies that crime went up after we enacted the 1996 gun legislation

 

funny - the Australian Institute of Criminology stats do not support that statement


Remembering that in Australia "armed robbery" includes menacing a cashier with a dirty syringe

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/261-280/tandi269/view paper.html

Thank-you for linking to the load of crap that was the real reason for my starting this thread - does not tally with the AIC figures does it??

 

For a start that is NOT what snopes says - in fact snopes confirms my original post

Secondly the Snopes data is dated and the decreasing trend we saw in 2000 has continued

Oh! And thirdly - next time check out the source of those graphs - they were straight from the Australian Institute of Criminology

 

Correlation does not equal causation, as many links above show.

 

Agreed and where did I claim it did? As I said I started this thread for the specific purpose of debunking that crap from the NCPA

 

I do for one. As recently as two months ago a small town newspaper ran an article about Australian gun statistics. People often use Australia as evidence for their own agenda on gun control

 

Can't you find a way to express your ideas without personally attacking and name calling people with opposing views to yours? Not everybody wants guns or sees the need for guns. That doesn't make them "greenies" (whatever in the world that insult is supposed to mean). And at least in America, I spent quite a bit of my life protecting their right to those opposing opinions. If I wanted to live somewhere that opposing views were responded to with personal attacks (or worse), I would live in a Sharia Law country like Saudi Arabia or Chechnya.

 

That snopes article said that assaults were on the rise, not the decrease. I had read that in other articles over the past decade or so - that the buy-back didn't decrease gun related crimes. It is also possible that Snopes is incorrect, so I am not saying they are the end-all be-all of accurate information; but I had heard many times that the buy-back was of no help.

Even if it did help (which I am not saying it did), I don't see how from an order-of-magnitude perspective that USA could ever do a federal buy-back. I bet it would cost close to a half trillion to try and buy back about 325 million small arms and god-knows-how-much ammo. If the average value of a long rifle with scope is $1K and the average value of a sidearm is $750; how much would that equate to? I would guess maybe $300 billion on the guns, and I would guess as much as another $50 billion on ammo. Most modern ammo is good for 50 years or more; so there must be a few hundred rounds for each gun. At 50 cents a round if every gun had 200 rounds that could be another $50 billion easily. So $300B plus $50B plus some sort of organization and equipment to destroy all those weapons? That could be a trillion or more. How could we afford that? We can't even afford to keep Social Security going or give health insurance to all Americans. A trillion dollar buy-back would crush the economy.

 

What crap? They are saying what I said and you just agreed with.