Activist Adam Kokesh's home raided by paramilitary team/ thread 2

Not a valid comparison, one has a victim, one doesn't.

No. I won't deal with it.. No, he wanted to march on the capitol, never mentioned anything about bloodshed.

Oh my dear little SpaceCricket... he said the time for nonviolent revolution may soon be past or something to that effect. He never wanted a violent revolution. Link me to where he said "let's blast them and take over" and I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

No threat was issued. He has balls enough to get thrown in prison for what he believes in, more balls than the bulk of this forum that is for sure.

He was well within his rights to do as he did, and the government was wrong to do as they did in political retaliation - let's call a duck a duck for once.

 

My "ilk"? I can certainly tell what your ilk is, internet tuff-guy.

If you can't smell the fire, go ahead and burn for all I care.

 

You, the Tsarnev brothers, the IRA, Weather Underground, Al-Qaeda, you're all the same.

I won't be the one in federal prison for terrorist threats, at the rate things are going it'll be you and other anti-American terrorist supporters.

 

As I already pointed out - someone could threaten to kill you and your family unless you hand them $10,000 within a month - if they haven't done it yet, by your standard there's no "victim" - but the law says differently.

I provided a quote, that is credible enough to be seen as a terrorist threat, so they had every right to arresting.

So did any other terrorist, what's your point?

The did it because he made a terrorist threat, it's pretty simple.

No one's "afraid" of your movement by any means because more people viewed this threat tonight than voted for Ron Paul.

 

Actually he specifically mentioned non-violent revolution, per your quote above. Calm down and read s l o w l y. It does wonders for reading comprehension.

 

That's world play. It'd be like saying there's a difference between telling someone "I will kill you on Monday" and "After Monday you won't be alive".

 

Terrorists and their supporters everywhere, eh? Do you check under your bed before you go nighty-night too?

 

There is a logical solution to this problem, but the current legal environment doesn't use it as often as they should. Speaking, however vile, or agreeable, shouldn't be a crime. The key here is jury nullification.

Depends on how unreasonable the bureaucrat is that reads it I suppose.

Many 'terrorists' are not really terrorists at all. Doesn't mean you can't write it on paper and charge them with it though. They'll call anybody a terrorist these days.

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The did it because he made a terrorist threat, it's pretty simple.[/quote]

Again, depends on who you ask I suppose.

Obviously, we don't preach a message of terror now do we? But rather one of voluntary cooperation and mutual respect. Problem is that one side of the equation doesn't like the other - the one that would lose power over it.

 

The did it because he made a terrorist threat, it's pretty simple.[/quote]

Again, depends on who you ask I suppose.



Obviously, we don't preach a message of terror now do we? But rather one of voluntary cooperation and mutual respect. Problem is that one side of the equation doesn't like the other - the one that would lose power over it.[/QUOTE]
"Being disagreeable" isn't the same as making a credible threat. The threat he made was credible enough for him to be charged.

If he isn't serious then he's not a terrorist, just an idiot who got who's paying the price for his own stupidity.

Libertarians are really the only group I see which openly support terrorism and treason against the United States. I don't see liberals openly supporting Weather Underground - I don't see right-wingers openly supporting the KKK burning crosses and lynching blacks.

But then I see libertarians supporting terrorism, or at least threats of terrorism. So by that logic I'd say libertarianism is the philosophy which draws more America haters, sociopaths, and outright lunatics than any other.

 

Nope but I bet you check under you bed every night for the black helicopters and NWO spies.

 

Again, depends on who you ask I suppose.



Obviously, we don't preach a message of terror now do we? But rather one of voluntary cooperation and mutual respect. Problem is that one side of the equation doesn't like the other - the one that would lose power over it.[/QUOTE]
"Being disagreeable" isn't the same as making a credible threat. The threat he made was credible enough for him to be charged.

If he isn't serious then he's not a terrorist, just an idiot who got who's paying the price for his own stupidity.[/quote]

Granted, Kokesh's methods are not the brightest, but the actions taken against him for the utter lack of harm he has done is wrong in every degree as per our own laws.

The American government committed treason against its people long before any libertarian ever did. And with much greater damage - and still no penalty for the prime movers.

I have no allegiance to a government that cannot abide by its own laws. I perform for camera only when safe and practical. Off screen I do as common sense dictates for the situation.

 

Hm did some digging and I found out more about Adam Kokesh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh

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So he violated his military code of conduct, and disgraced his uniform - and ended up with a less than honorable discharge.

After his discharge, Kokesh was a member of the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) and on March 19, 2007, he participated in an anti-war protest[10] and was named in a photo caption of that event in the Washington Post. As a result,[12] on March 29, a Marine Major sent him an e-mail to tell him he was being investigated for misconduct by appearing at a political event while wearing his uniform. Kokesh responded, using an expletive in his reply, thereby incurring an additional misconduct charge under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.[10]
In May 2007, a hearing was convened to consider changing Kokesh's military discharge from "honorable" to "other than honorable".[10][13] The panel recommended Kokesh be given a "general discharge under honorable conditions,"[14] which is a discharge status below "honorable," and above "other than honorable".[15] Kokesh's appeal of the decision was denied.[16]

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Wow what priorities - let's launch a crusade against the evil globalist NWO conspiracy against dancing. ROFLMAO!!! Not to mention he's affiliated with the fringe group Code Pink:

On May 28, 2011, Kokesh and other activists participated in a flash mob-silent dance at the Thomas Jefferson Memorial in Washington, D.C. in protest of a recent ruling against dancing in the monument. The activists were arrested.[27] A much larger protest on June 4, 2011, organized by Kokesh and Code Pink, involved about 200 protesters and 75 dancers.

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Not to mention his video did violate DC gun control laws, and he was also in possession of illegal drugs (big surprise there). Whether DC's gun control laws are silly or not is a different story - if you purposely violate the law, you can't claim 'victimhood' when the cops come knocking on your door. And given his explicit threat of terrorism, this just added to his credibility.

On July 4, 2013, Kokesh put on YouTube a video of himself that appeared to show him violating a District of Columbia gun-control law. On July 9, 2013, law enforcement officials (including a SWAT team) executed a search on Kokesh's home. Police allegedly found a gun and hallucinogenic mushrooms and arrested him on drug charges.

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A real American zero, this guy is. And so are any of the 'adult children' who idolize this treasonous twit.

I'm starting to think that real Americans need to create their own anti-liberterrorist militia group to root and and whack these guys - kind of like how the IRA has the Ulster Freedom Fighters to keep them in check. This moron's just wants to create an American version of the IRA, and god knows how long before he and his cult members start setting off car bombs. I think we need a little preemptive action.

 

Joe Blow just sent you a letter saying he's going to kill you and your family unless you pay him $10,000 by Friday.

Oh well, no biggie - maybe he'll change his mind by Friday.

Wait till he actually murders your family, then call the police. It was just words. Rolfmao

 

Hopefully they'll "break the law" again, and since he wants to be an "army" - they'll just treat him as an enemy combatant and just toss him in a POW camp indefinitely and without trial (since it's too late to shoot him dead), and save the DC taxpayer's the trouble of trying his dumb terrorist ass.

Who's we? Is it DC's that's doing that?

Hell maybe those rapists and murderers are Ron Paul fans, and they only committed those crimes to protest the "evil globalist NWO regime" - they should be heroes in your book, assuming your a Libertarian with a capital L, right?

He wasn't arrested for "Criticizing Obushma" - he was arrested for making a credible terroristic threat - stop lying, please. Given his threats, he easily could have been armed with weapons or explosives, so a SWAT team was a good precaution.

DC gun lawmakers - 1 Adam Kokehead - 0

Great job. See what promoting such idiocy gets you? You aren't doing anything for this country other than disgracing it and providing sane people with unintentional comedy. Don't like the laws? Run for the Supreme Court and interpret them the way you want instead of embarassing yourself to the point that no one outside the Alex Jones show will touch you with at 10 ft pole.

 

America is illegal because the land was stolen from the Indians.

Guess they'll just have to deal with it, like you will.

 

Here's your 'hero' for you:

Disgraced ex-Marine discharged less than honorably, illegal hard drug user, ally of fringe groups like Code Pink, narcissist who breaks the law to protest some NWO conspiracy against "dancing", jackbooted thug who makes a terroristic threat to murder innocent Americans along with his little Stormtroopers unless they 'dissolve the state' (against the will of the American people). He's a grade A loser, who's probably suffering from PTSD from Iraq, which is why he got all these crazy notions into his head

Wonderful choice of a 'role model', I must say. Toss him in a POW camp without trial. He wants to be a terrorist? We can treat him like a terrorist.

The most permanently brain damaging of all illegal drugs. That explains a lot. Wonder if it was the PTSD or the ex that triggered his schizophrenia?

 

Jury nullification is grounds for a mistrial. There is no such action allowed under any system of American law that I know of. Have you been taking law classes from that little snot Derrick Freeman?

 

Again, folks need to read conversations before they start jumping into these discussions. The first sentence you quoted me with was about Casper making fun of one person not knowing who he was and made an assumption of him. Then, Casper did the same thing to me, thus I merely pointed out his hypocrisy. It had nothing to do with Kokesh.

However, your assessment of Kokesh is exactly why I don't call him my 'hero'. If you'd read the discussions I've been having, you'd already know that. I don't stand with him nor do I stand against him. All I do is focus on the point of his issue and discuss that.

Man, I don't understand how some folks just don't get that and why I have to keep explaining this over and over again.

If he choses do it, good for him. It's not any of our lives he's destroying. If he wishes to 'zap' out into another realm, that's none of anyone's business but his own. No victim, no crime.

 

Call it what you like, jury nullification remains a valuable part of the legal system. However judges routinely try to hide this fact. I understand that most have this submission complex to the courts and like it. For them? They get what they deserve and want most of the time.

BTW, who is Derrick Freeman anyways? Rogue lawyer or something?

 

You don't even know what a strawman is. You claimed he was "inciting violent revolution", yet the authorities have not charged him anything of the sort. Why don't you just admit that you made a false statement?

 

Honesty is the prime allergy to progressives/liberals/leftists/idiots....you get the idea.

 

Until he starts gunning down children once the hallucinations kick in

Victim, crime. Check and mate.

 

oh that's not confined to any political bent. I'd have a lot more respect for some of these idiots if they would have the guts to be honest and admit that Adam was hinting at violence on his part.

Bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) will never do it though, but yet they compare him to the original rebels who had the guts to admit they were going to take up arms against the government they were upset with.

Adam is a coward and so are his supporters.

 

They charged him of breaking a law, which he did - if you don't 'like' that the Supreme Court has interpreted the 2nd Amendment that way, then you should strive to change it - breaking the law just to get attention and then claiming 'victim' draws no one any sympathy.

Hopefully they will tack on terroristic threat charges soon enough if they haven't already.

He made a specific threat, with a specific date and time, and specifically mentioned "non-violent revolution" - and waved a gun around (in violation of a law) all the while saying it just to add to his credibility - that's a crime, and they were more than justified to arrest him and check his home for bombs, weapons, etc. How did they know this idiot wasn't the next James Holmes guy? He sounds wacko enough to be.

 

To be fair, you're absolutely right, I just detect much more of it on the spectrum that I mentioned because they are rarely held accountable for it.

I'm sure he hoped for it, and I suppose that he could be seen as hinting towards it. But he never stated such, and what he didn't say can't be held against him.

Call it what you like. I don't think he is much like the founding fathers - the founding fathers would have shot first a lot sooner given what is happening now days.