American Soldiers refuse orders to attack Syria!

Actually their constitutional oath says just the opposite.

Seeing German soldiers who had turned against the Wehrmacht were not enemies of the US, that's a pretty stupid example.

 

I pretty much agree with you. Have you read this story about rebels supposedly claiming responsibility for a chemical weapon discharge?: http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnes...supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/

 

No, the oath is to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic. They aren't an enemy if you are fighting along side them. I believe the term is "ally". They were Wehrmacht and suddenly hit by SS and both stopped shooting each other to defend against the SS attack.

 

Yes.

And AQ being an enemy, one can hardly defend against it by fighting alongside it.

If you think AQ is a US ally, then pilgrim, you don't think too good.

 

I do not support military action in Syria.

But.

Soldiers don't get to pick their wars.

These military people should be punished for these actions.

 

Dear Kranes56
What helps back up her expressions is she is a citizen of Syria. A school teacher so not too insular
And has a whole different vantage point to view happenings then any such points in America fed by western News media.
We may not agree, but respect a Syrian, an educated Syrian may have a different and respectable view.
How about it?

Does the concept of Secularism being more important then Democracy make sense.
Those good old stable days of Hussain, Mubarak and previously Assad. How you worshiped was personal. There was bread in the stores and safety for "all".
Just don't criticize the government!
The Turkish model just adds a little or a lot more democracy and criticizing the government can get you into personal trouble. Witness the # of jailed Turkish journalist.
In common is the "secular" government. And citizens seem to appreciate that more then democracy.


Moi
Expand your horizons while you are still young.

 

Abject nonsense, the Zionists didn't initiate the violence in the mandate, in fact they started in 20s the first being the Battle of Tel Hai when Arabs attacked a Jewish settlement in which 8 Jews were killed, this was followed by the Nebi Musa Riots in 1921 in which the Arabs killed 5 Jews, then the Jaffa Riots, also in 1921 where the Arabs killed 45 Jews, and then we had the Palestine Riots in 1929 in which the Arabs killed 133 Jews, this was followed by the Safed Massacre in 1929 in which 20 Jews were killed, this all culminated with the anti-Semitic Jihadist organization known as the Black Hand which routinely targeted Jewish settlers culminating in the Arab revolt between 1936 and 1939 in which the Arabs indiscriminately targeted Jews.

Your knowledge of the history of the British Mandate Period is lacking to put it mildly.

 

No kidding.

 

Just ,saying "Hey US Imperialism your President Assassin ,thinks we are as stupid as the Spin Doctors say we are",never lived in a "Socialist Country" my self.Don't want to either ,Socialism is for Advanced centres of World Capitalism as well as backward,feudal Countries like Russia was and even then in 1923 the Programme of Stalinism "Socialism in a single country" was bitterly opposed..

The only historical Viable progressive development of Australia[Advanced economy, NO peasants for instance}. ,for example,is a Workers Republic, because one thing for 100 certainty ,the old Colonial Constitutional Monarchy of Westminster model ,is imploding as we speak.

As, a Bourgeois Republic is impossible in this period of Breakdown and systemic crisis of World capitalism ,a terminal Crisis.Its Workers Republic of Australasia or WW3.

As part of the USRA,Union of Socialist Republics of Asia.[southern Division]

Where 2 Thirds of the Global Population Goes ,there follows Europe and the America's.

As far as China is concerned ,some Political surgery ,and cutting out the Bourgeois Parasites called the Chinese communist Party ,changing then the name 'from "People's Republic "to Workers Republic of China.

Unification with a re-integrated USSR ,again a bit of Political "Surgery " may be required to cleanse the foul Stalinist KGB Remnants.

Check Mate US Imperialism ,and that's not even taking into account the Class War that is about to break out in the Homeland of US Imperialism. That be the US Working Class with nothing but Poverty to lose.

End game !Goodbye Capitalism hello Socialism based on Global ,not outmoded National ,ECONOMY!

bugger ,beat all the pudits and apologists for Imperialism ,even on ECONOMICS!

Markets DON"T WORK NO MORE ,need rational scientific PLANNING!

 

You did not connect the dots.
Are you able or only . . . .
then give references to back yourself up.
Please connect the dots if you are able.
Thank You

 

Where did Bush and Kerry ever say that Israeli intelligence is the primary intelligence source in either Iraq or Syria?

Israel knows that whichever side they choose to support will lose support amongst the Arab population as a whole due to the rampant anti-Semitism and hatred of Israel throughout the Arab world.

 

American 's are waking up ,now if we get down to which "socio-economic "Class that is waking up with the Lash of Un-employment ,Under-employment and Wage-Slavery levels of wages ,that would be the Working Class of America,meanwhile ,the Middle class keeps trying to be "Positive " and see American society thru ,Prozac tainted glasses.

The bourgeoisie has gone Senile ,and Criminal Parasitic in its Imperialist ambitions of a "Old glory days" dementia.

President Assassin Obama ,Wall Streets man in the White House .

BTW, who is 'groomed ' to take over from Obama ???

Scary question that ,some in the dementia of US Imperialism Imploding ,say dispense with the trimmings of Democracy, altogether.

Like, in no more Elections at all !

OOH ,a slogan comes to mind ,The United States of Dementia. oh its good,

President Obama of the United 'Sates of Dementia'!

Uncle Sam with Dementia ,US Imperialism, Circa.2013 .

 

The Duffle Blog took the last one that said "I didn't join the navy to" then blanked out the rest so the facebook fans could fill in the blanks.

 

More dissent by US Soldiers

 

I am getting sick and tied of educating Ignoramus like you,No ARAB Nation or People can be "Anti-Semitic" by definition the Jewish People are an ARAB people ,Arab=Semite,Semite =Arab.

Crickey, the Israeli Population even speak an ancient Arab ,tongue called Hebrew.

Clear now ,Arab people can NOT be Anti Semite. Can you be Anti -You ?

Israel is an abomination of the United Nations ,a Stalinist Inspired ,US Imperialist Bulwark, against all the Arab peoples and Nations .

A Death Trap for the Jewish and Palestinians Peoples alike.

Zionism is classical 20th Century Fascism ,with Jewish as it brand, instead of German.

Note the Stalinist undertow with the use of Walling off, Nations and Peoples ,classic Stalinism ,eg Berlin Wall.

 

Mr. Rammstein, Paul Findley lost his seat in Congress in 1982. He has made an entire career of opposing Israel and supporting the PLO. To quote Wikipedia, "A year after the September 11 attacks in 2001, Findley published an article saying that this attack would never have occurred were it not for the United States' uncritical support of Israel. In that same article, he wrote that "U.S. policy on the Mideast is made in Israel, not in Washington," and that "once beloved worldwide, the U.S. government finds itself reviled in most countries because it provides unconditional support of Israeli violations of the United Nations Charter, international law, and the precepts of all major religious faiths."

He published the book you cite in 1985. "The New York Times review by Adam Clymer, described the book as "an angry, one-sided book that seems often to be little more than a stringing together of stray incidents ... [it] does not really accept the idea that people of any political point of view are entitled to organize, support their friends and try to defeat the people they think are their enemies".

Findley founded something called the Council for the National Interest. The Anti-Defamation League has criticized the Council as an "anti-Israel organization" that "disseminates demonizing propaganda about Israel to academics, politicians, and other audiences." The Anti-Defamation League alleges that the Council for the National Interest has disseminated cartoons with anti-Semitic themes by Khalil Bendib. Additionally, the Anti-Defamation League has quoted Paul Findley from an article in 2003 as blaming US support of Israel for the September 11 Attacks: "Nine-eleven would not have occurred if the U.S. government had refused to help Israel humiliate and destroy Palestinian society." Paul Findley continued in the same article stating that "America suffered 9/11 and its aftermath and may soon be at war with Iraq, mainly because U.S. policy in the Middle East is made in Israel, not in Washington."

In short, Findley is a professional hater who walks the shadowy margins of barely tolerable discourse. He has spent the last 30 years earning a living by pandering to the conspiracy fantasies of bigots.

The book by Mearsheimer and Walt is actually notorious. Here is what they discovered: Israel lobbies on its own behalf in the US; the lobbying effort has been successful. This would seem unexceptionable. Most major countries lobby the US on their own behalf, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) lobbies vigorously and effectively against Israel. So what, exactly, is the scandal supposed to have been exposed?

Well, had you spent any effort on the history of anti-Semitism, you would have learned that Jews have been accused of an international conspiracy since the 18th century. Jews were excluded, persecuted, and even banished from one country to the next. Denied full citizenship and forced to migrate from place to place, they were suspected of disloyalty and of having ties outside their countries of residence - by the very people who would not let them assume full citizenship. In effect, anti-Semites criticized Jews for a rational response to the situation in which the anti-Semites had placed them.

This odor of suspicious internationalism clung to Jews for two centuries. Leftists decried Jews as "international bankers." Rightists decried Jews as "cosmopolitans." Now in the United States, people of Irish descent are not suspect for their ties to the old country. The same goes for Italians, Poles, Germans, Chinese. In New York City, most newsstands sell foreign language papers, and this is understood to serve the immigrant market. Yet there is felt to be something shadowy, suspicious, dangerous about the emotional ties between US and Israeli Jews. When US citizens of British descent talk about the "special relationship" with the UK, no one suspects them of betraying US interests. The "special relationship" is felt to benefit the US as much as the UK, despite the UK being a much smaller country. Yet those who look with approval on our ties with the UK shiver under their covers at the thought of dark and sinister doings between the US and Israel.

Well, let me put your fears to rest. Israel is simply a close ally of the US, similar to the UK or Canada or Australia or Japan (all of whom actively lobby the US government). It poses no greater threat than any ally, which is to say no threat at all.

Of course the Arab states were in the sphere of influence of the former Soviet Union, and now its Russian successor state. Israel was a mote in the eye of the Soviet Union, so it was hated by all "fellow travelers" in the US. Israel is still hated by all good lefties precisely because it's a close US ally, and they reflexively oppose the US in everything.

Then there was the contingent that wanted to betray Israel in exchange for Arab oil - their "30 pieces of silver." But now the US has the largest proven oil and gas reserves in the world, exceeding all the Arab states together, so the oil excuse vanishes. Only Obama's determined efforts to get the US to stop using fossil fuels are preventing domestic oil and gas from making imports unnecessary, erasing most practical value in friendship with the Arabs.

What that leaves us with is the strange combination of anti-Semites' traditional fear of "Jewish cosmopolitanism" with leftism. Anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism now walk hand in hand. So please don't stay up nights worrying about Jews under your bed, or lobbying your Congressman against you. Just imagine Israeli diplomats wearing bowler hats and carrying furled umbrellas. Think of them as middle-eastern Brits and you'll feel better.

But please, if you want to be credible, don't cite fringe hacks like Findley or people like Mearsheimer and Walt, who leaven scholarship about diplomacy with intimations of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

 

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Oh, bother.

These are not "fringe hacks" and you know it. Nor are they "haters" or "anti-semites", the favorite
ad hominem attacks of they day when people go after anyone critical of Israel.

You make a superb Israeli/Zionist apologist. You should start writing books yourself if you don't already.

"This odor of suspicious internationalism clung to Jews for two centuries."

"Then there was the contingent that wanted to betray Israel in exchange for Arab oil - their "30 pieces of silver."

Dang, that's as good as some of the anti-Nazi stuff I've read.

Have a Nice Day

rs


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Looks like the president of US is really debil-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moron_(psychology)

 

They're not fringe hacks to their believers. Every conspiracy theory has its stars.

To repeat, all these guys uncover is that Israel lobbies the US and does it well. So what? Are you saying our government, which can so easily act contrary to the wishes of millions of its citizens, which is infamously pig-headed and unilateralist on one issue after another, is incapable of acting for itself when it comes to Israel? That's ludicrous. Only fevered bigotry, attributing near-magical powers to Evil Israel could make that seem plausible. It doesn't pass the test of common sense. You've been sucked in by a nutsy conspiracy theory fueled by anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism.

 

Gotta love the "international norms" justification we're trying now, eh? It's hard to get more fuzzy and subjective than that.

 

Impeachment of this moron.Durak Obama's cost is one kopeck

 

Not really the same plan. There are no border changes, just creating chaos.

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That goes against basic military doctrine. You respect the rank, and you follow through with your orders.

 

Oh, I think they're brave, or stupid. People have already been disciplined for other similar things. So I give them credit for that much. But a few soldiers who think this way, is nothing to be basing claims off of.

I don't know. It makes more sense for me to keep an open mind, then a closed one.

Moi



Moi SyrianGirl[/QUOTE]

 

Not according to many. A soldier is supposed to receive his orders and then pull out his pocket library to determine if that order is legal, politically correct and, know if congress or the commander in chief have been consulted. This of course requires that every soldier have direct communications with the White House as well as be qualified as an international lawyer and, be kept up to speed with all UN communiques not to mention have his own MP Squad to ensure his superior has the same material and, has accesed all of these resources prior to stating, quite excitedly, in the heat of battle

"please, would you be so kind as to pass the bullets."