American Soldiers refuse orders to attack Syria!

Did he use Fed Ex?

 

Of course we all knew it was coming...I just knew when.

AboveAlpha

 

Sarin gas shipped to USA/Israeli/Saudi terrorists via Turkey
[video]http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/09/05/322140/chemical-arms-sent-from-turkey-to-syria/[/video]

 

Ivan...the people and groups that have Chemical Weapons are and were...Iran, Iraq, Syria the U.S., China and Russia.

If we were involved and we never would be....it would be VX.

AboveAlpha

 

Now I know that you are really clueless regarding Syria. Syria + Iraq were never friends. Stop inventing things please. Stop making up stories that you know nothing about.

Syria has had chemical weapons since the late 1970s. They were developed with help from Soviet scientists.


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Dec...apons-Where-did-they-come-from-video/(page)/2


but thanks for your nice imagination, it is very humorous to read your posts.

 

Much to our surprise because Saddam and the Assad regimes were bitter enemies....just before the invasion of Iraq we tracked convoys of Iraqi Military Trucks carrying Chemical Weapons leaving Iraq and entering Syria.

AboveAlpha

 

The US military personnel doesn't get to pick and choose what conflicts they get involved in. They follow the chain of command, and these would be orders from the top of the chain. You refuse at the risk of court martial and prison.

 

Right. That's what butthurt incompetent CIA agents said when they were looking for an excuse on why Iraq had no WMD's.

You have an explanation for everything, amazing !

 

Are you saying that this is not true?

Because it is.

AboveAlpha

 

I just sat and listened to that entire interview, and I thought he came across very well indeed. Walters sounded like a parrot unable to think past her dumb questions.

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Who is at the top of this chain?

Because it's evidently not your puppet President.

 

Do they really?

And not Israel? Really? Ever heard of Ness Ziona? Ever wonder what they really do there?

 

Walters ripped Assad a New A$$#@%# LOL!!!

Assad looked like a school boy being scolded by his teacher.

AboveAlpha

 

US Airman Brian Kolfage has shared this message sympathizing with Syrian Army.



His message to Syria




and




When I get back to Syria, I will be sure to tell everyone I know about a true American patriot.

 

Nice try to slide your lie by us all there but, it won’t work. I said that “We shall see when and if it goes to vote at the Security Council.” To which you replied that it already had and, posted the above turd.

That was not a meeting of the UNSC rather, it was a closed door informal meeting to hash out wording of a proposed resolution.

From your own article, which you in your zeal to attempt to pull the wool over our eyes so your lie would slide through you didn’t bother posting the link, it states;

”that the five permanent members of the Security Council met in a closed-door, informal meeting to discuss the U.K. resolution Wednesday morning, with Russia and China leaving after an hour and the U.S., France and the U.K. remaining for another hour.”

As you know but tried to hide to others so your lie would go through unnoticed, there are FIFTEEN members of the Security Council, not five so, this was certainly not a UNSC meeting to vote on action pertaining to Syria as you stated.

Shame on you. Don’t feel bad, unlike you, I don’t hate liars but rather attempt to correct them as I am here in this post.

My my. That's two lies so far. You certainly are being imaginative with my words. Nowhere did I say it was alright to “murder” rather, a soldier is not told to “murder” but rather to kill what he has every right to believe is a legitimate legal target.

If, he finds that the target is what he believes (through being versed in basic Geneva Convention rules of civilized warfare as most in the west are) he has every right to state his objection and, actually refuse to carry out that order on those grounds.

Now please, stop putting words in my mouth, your lies being exposed are enough for one day.

Another lie, that makes three. Nowhere have I stated that I believe the Syrian military has gassed it’s own people. Like the UNSC which you attempted to show voted when they did not, I am waiting for the proof from the investigators to be shown later this or next week.

Nice try though.

OMG! A fourth lie! Nowhere have I said that I wouldn’t allow soldiers to think. I stated;

” And they volunteer and are permitted to follow orders or apply for a release, not make their own policies on the fly according to their political viewpoints at any given moment. That is why Manning is in prison despite so many saying he did the right thing.”

They can think whatever they wish, they can act within their given parameters but they can’t make up their own policies and counter orders that are legal until proven otherwise.

Five lies!

Nowhere is it stated by anybody that they are using Israeli intel to make their decisions. If you bothered reading up on the UNSC and what they are doing, they sent an inspection team to Syria to investigate and, are awaiting the results of that teams findings and then, will hold a REAL meeting with all FIFTEEN MEMBERS PRESENT rather than the informal one you tried to tell us all was a meeting of the entire UNSC.

Shame on you for trying to fool this forum with your lies.

Addressed above.

Nice try at lying by omission making it six lies you have posted. The second article stated;

” Syria uprising: UN says protest death toll hits 3,000
Protesters again took to the streets of Deraa after The United Nations says 3,000 people have been killed in Syria in the seven months of protests against the rule of President Bashar al-Assad.”

Lie addressed above.

Seven lies and this one is particularly vile as it attacks a person who sacrificed so much for this nation.

”The Navy recently released McCain's military record — most of it citations for medals during his Navy career — after a Freedom of Information Act request by The Associated Press.

McCain was awarded a Silver Star Medal for resisting "extreme mental and physical cruelties" inflicted upon him by his captors from late October to early December 1967, the early months of his captivity, according to the citation. The North Vietnamese, according to the Navy, ignored international agreements and tortured McCain "in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes."

Achievements as a pilot and prisoner
McCain attended the U.S. Naval Academy from 1954 to 1958, and was commissioned as an ensign in June of that year. He retired in April 1981 with the rank of captain. In that time he received 17 awards and decorations. Besides the Silver Star Medal, McCain also received the Legion of Merit with a combat "V" and one gold star, a Distinguished Flying Cross and a Bronze Star Medal with a combat "V" and two gold stars.

Several citations mention his achievements either as a prisoner or as a lieutenant commander flying bombing runs off the deck of the USS Oriskany. Some are signed by then-Secretary of the Navy John Warner, who would become a colleague of McCain's in the Senate.”

Another lie bringing your poop to eight of them. You obviously have no idea of what occurred to precipitate the accident and make a groundless statement. I will explain when I address your next vile lie against this hero.

Nine lies! You have broken the record of being completely and deliberately non factual on these forums for as long as I have been here. Congratulations!

This lie is groundless and based on a vivid imagination. The accident on the carrier USS Forestall occurred when the flight crew were in their aircraft (about 27 of them) and lined on the deck awaiting take off. One of the aircraft across from McCain let loose a missile which struck the fighter next to McCain and ruptured it’s fuel tanks and, knocked one of it’s 1,000 pound bombs off it’s mount. The 1,000 pounders were out of expiration date and were very unstable and, rather than taking ten minutes to cook off off in the resulting fire, it exploded almost immediately and ripping a hole in the deck as well as rupturing more aircraft tanks, the fuel now flying all over the place from the domino effect of the explosions and subsequent bombs also cooking off the fuel began to flow into the decks below and caused a massive fire inside the ship. The high winds that day created a drizzle of fuel and fire that took over 24 hours to contain with 134 men being killed.

Official Foresstal Site

[video=youtube;chuiyXQKw3I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I[/video]

McCain, the hero he is, braved fire and explosions to save the life of another pilot trapped in the inferno and nowhere, was there any order to jettison ordinance given or, received for that matter.

This should actually be three lies as one, you have no idea of what happened and are merely parroting some fantasy cooked up by a McCain hater who also has no clue two, you attempt to implicate McCain as being responsible for an act that had no actors, just one hell of a terrible incident and three, you are errantly whining about Mccain not following some fantasy order when your entire gig on this thread is to say soldiers should not be bound by orders.

Well no lie here but, you show how silly you are as you have gone over and over how the US led by Kerry and McCain are bound to go to war and here you are saying that when Kerry is stating the case for war that McCain, is suddenly supposed to be listening intently like Kerry is going to go off the script the two wrote and agreed on prior to the meeting.

Well, nine of them. And after saying this;

Help is only a phone call away. Please, don't do anything drastic.

 

The west has placed pressure on these regimes to conduct reforms and they have, albeit so slow and insignificant that it defies imagination but, they don't go around shooting thousands of their own people when they do protest nor do they invade other nations when the cash gets low.

 

Infowars huh?

 

This women is bang on the money.

[video=youtube;XunOXRiOv0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XunOXRiOv0E[/video]

 

It's a no from me as well, thanks.

Democracy is a code word for tyranny.

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'Civil war'.

Yeah right mate.

Who used the chemical weapons?

You got an inside angle on that, scoop?

 

I never edited anything. You said:

"Yes it is strengthening. They're in the field fighting, and we're just giving them supplies while we have dinner talking with the Russians."

You said yourself the AQ are strengthening. And you were right.

I can't either, but I wouldn't support waging war against Assad instead of AQ without good reason. Do you support that in absence of a good reason?

No. They fight on the same side, so if you help one side achieve a goal, and another party has the same goal, then you're helping another party achieve their goal as well. If you give weapons, those weapons could wind up in AQ hands. I mean this is the same administration that couldn't keep track of the guns they gave to the violent drug cartels.

It's an alliance similar to the Axis Powers of WWII. Japan and Germany did not fight alongside each other. They were on opposite sides of the world. But they were allies in that they were fighting the same enemies.

I didn't say every Assad opponent was AQ. What I said was AQ are there and not being attacked, but we are helping them reach their goal, directly or not.

I asked why AQ couldn't be attacked. Your answer is because it's not just AQ there fighting Assad? So? I'm not asking anyone to target non-AQ rebels. Why can't they target AQ? The only way the existence of non-AQ there could answer that question is what, because they don't want non-AQ rebels getting hurt? Like they are unacceptable collateral damage? We demolish thousands of innocents, women and children, with drone strikes, allegedly because the targets are AQ. So we can kill women and children but not the armed militants fighting towards the same cause as AQ?

My argument is not that AQ constitute the entire opposition. My argument is that AQ are there, in large presence, among the opposition forces, and growing stronger.

I answered your questions, could you answer mine please?

Why can't we target AQ in Syria?

Who is a bigger enemy to the United States? AQ or Assad?

 

stop that. That aint true.

democracy is ruined by greed (invisible hand)

the AA is a bit mad that he was kicked out of the US forces.
Apparently, the military wants to win this time.

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Speaking to his human rights council on Wednesday, Putin said: "This was very unpleasant and surprising for me. We talk to them (the Americans) and we assume they are decent people, but he is lying and he knows that he is lying. This is sad."


Is she Russian?