Do you think fascism come back in Occident?

Hi,

I think fascism come back in Occident (Tea partys in USA, NF in France and in other countries in Europe). In 2002, 4 500 000 people voted NF in France. Politics can' t make progress economy which go down. People are angry, they want punish politics. Also, they vote more in more for fascism (in France for about 20%, enormous! We never seen that since 70 years. In 2012, 6 500 000 people voted Marine Le Pen for president). If people don' t wake up, we will know again barbarians and genocide and wars. Do you want it?

I think if economy was good, people would be quite and no anger and vote for nationalists would be 5% about. I think this capitalism prefer fascism than socialists or than keynezianism' s origins.

We must wake up and never vote for this smelly nationalists and say to crazy people the horror about 2nd world war... We must never forget this horrible war and crush fascism forever.
Nationalism is war.

 

Teaparty??????? Fascism????? LOLOLOLOL!!!!

 

When did the Tea Party's stated agenda of Less Federal spending, Less taxation, and Less government in general become fascism?

 

The French ( among others) are moving to the far right because there is nowhere else to go and if one has to chose between fascism and neoliberalism the former is a much better choice .
I think the OP is buying too much over the mainstream media hysteria , the European center is a cesspool and it's actors are turds with ties and briefcases , at least when it comes to fascists it is clear with who we are dealing .

 

I don't agree with the Tea Party positions, and I think they embody all of the worst aspects of the American persona, in my opinion, but even I can't see them as Fascists.

They aren't angry at the people, they aren't taking about genocide. They're just angry at the tax bill and the lack of progress at balancing the Federal budget through cuts.

Although life is more interesting if you imagine that the conflict today is a truly colorful mix of socialists vs fascists. It's not true, however. Our issues today aren't exactly the same issues they had in the early 20th century that led to a World War followed by a Cold War. Nor are our potential solutions the same as those that they thought up back then.

 

That's all you need to read to figure out that this guy knows absolutely nothing about what he's talking about.

 

Because every political movement has to have its extremist handle. I thought you had been around here long enough to figure that out

 

Heil ! LOL

 

USA fascist symbols:

 

As soon as that (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) carrying a pistol was photographed at a Tea Party rally.

That is a main earmark of Fascism, the open advocacy of violence if they don't get their way, the recognition of thuggery and armed revolution as just another tactic.

Go ahead, tell me all the 2nd amendment advocates with their talk of "frightening" the government (by which is meant US, actually, that is, the majority that voted the government in) are just innocent "sportsmen".

The others are the establishment of the "corporate state", the advocacy of tax policies that ensure a wide separation of incomes between rich and poor, the enshrinement of the military to protect from the state's enemies (terrorism) and the persecution of an enemy class (muslims). Just how many more of an ideologie's identifying characteristics do you want?

Bull, talk to those who want to "deport" all the muslims, even multi-generation citizens, tell me they're not actually talking about boxcars and gas chambers. They're not angry? They're not constantly screaming that the sick and poor should die and stop "taking their money"? They just want to balance the budget through "cuts"? Cuts to WHO, people who will starve to death or die from easily treatable illnesses? or billion dollar fighter airplanes to battle hill bandits in pickups?

Specifically, just how are the "modern" issues and solutions you see being disputed so different from the controversies of the early/middle XXth Century?

 

"As soon as that (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) carrying a pistol was photographed at a Tea Party rally.

That is a main earmark of Fascism..."

Taxcutter asks:
Exercising one's Second amendment rights make you a fascist?


"...advocacy of tax policies that ensure a wide separation of incomes between rich and poor..."

Taxcutter says:
An across-the-board reduction in taxation ensures a wide separation of incomes between rich and poor? On what planet? An overall reduction in taxation leaves more of people's money in THEIR pockets, not the government's. Also, when did government-enforced equalty of income or wealth become a valid function of government. That was the goal of the USSR. It didn't work out very well.


"The others are the establishment of the "corporate state"..."

Taxcutter says:
For the life of me I cannot see "establishment of the corporate state" in an agenda that stridently calls for a smaller state.


"They just want to balance the budget through "cuts"? Cuts to WHO?"

Taxcutter says:
Useless government programs like the Department of Education and Department of Energy. Obsolete agencies like the Bureau of Reclamation. Failed programs like all those associated with LBJ's failed "War on Poverty." Government boondoggles like Amtrak. Counterproductive programs like ObamaTax, Dodd-Frank, and Sarbanes-Oxley.

 

Yes, there are xenophobic individuals in America. That's because of the 9/11/01 attack on America and some people can't think critically! There's no argument about that.

But, no matter who joined up with the Tea Party, it all began as an economic movement when someone asked who's going to pay for the Federal Government's projects.

You think the cuts are a Tea Party issue, but the Tea Party is just the current mask to blame over the problem and solution of how the government's budget deficits are unsustainable. That Social programs are unsustainable.

We can pretend that the cuts are all the Tea Party's fault, but these cuts were projected to happen anyway for decades. We already knew Social Security and Medicare wouldn't be available for the Millennial generation.

The only question from years ago was how a kick the can down the road political establishment would be able to make the cuts once there was no more money. Well, now we know. But, these things were put into motion decades ago. This was always our destination.

 

Fascism is a form of lefterism.

Don't look now, but Rand Paul ended Obama's hopes for war in Syria. He is tea party, and did it with a call for Congressional vote as outlined in the Constitution. Not a hippie drum circle a year after the war begins.

 

USA sold OIL to nazist during all the war... Capitalisme prefer fascism than communism. Today, new fascism appears. In 40' s soviets win vs nazists in Stalingrad. Nazists and fascists will lose always coz they' re devil. I' m happy communists crushed them. Good thing. And we must care they don' t come back. We nust never forget what they did in east of Europe.

When i see what american central agency did in the world, when i see they wanted crush Syria, i think capitalism and fascism are same. Putin said NO for attack Syria. USA, England and France didn' t been in Syria, they sad. Hihi, bravo Putin! In 90' s, Russia was down... Today, she come back with a lot of money, no debts... Russia too much big for fascists from Occident!

 

It goes further than simple xenophobia because there might as well have been a neon sign draped over each of the WTC buildings reading "Israeli/US False Flag Attack". Xenophobia is certainly a part of it, as is anti-communism and many other things, but we're effectively talking about the mass inculcation of a population of some 300 million people into a false version of reality. A reality which worships American exceptionalism, nationalism and mindless consumerism as false Gods.

 

This is such a pathetic post I don't even know where to begin. For starters, that person was promoting open carry(which was legal in his state). How in the hell did you POSSIBLY compare that to Hitler's storm of Troopers and the SS Brown Shirt goons? Did you see hundreds of tea partiers carrying guns? Did you even see ten? That person's political statement was mild.(It was also a testament to Thomas Jefferson's statement that sometimes the tree of liberty needs to be soaked in blood).

But I'm sure you're going to compare that to the Putsch right? (Despite the fact that the U.S. military is so overwhelming no conscious person would dare)

You also did the unthinkable and you immediately compared the Tea Party to the Neo-Con.(Because of course, you just think because they all band together under the 'R' Label that means they're Republicans). Libertarians and Neo-Cons are polar opposites to one another. And what corporate sponsors and typical Americans end up electing is the neo-cons, despite the fact that "neo-conservatism" is exactly what they're against.

How many Boston Marathons, Times Squares do you want to see or god forbid another 9/11? The political nativity of the Left is that we're not at war. Well Alexander, let me splash a little cold water on your face: We're at war. Was Roosevelt a fascist when he took emergency measures against the American-Japanese during WWII? To be sure, not all muslims are bad. That's why we say radical muslim. Although as many noted, it's disturbing that even moderates aren't coming out and speaking against the "jihad".

And I'll tell you they're not, because they're not.(Well, with the exception of the loons talking about DHS Concentration camps and that's more about against them, then it is against 'muslims').

And as per Rule 10, you now need to provide proof of your claims. Where are Tea Partiers screaming that the "sick and poor should die and stop taking their money"? Where are they talking about deporting the muslims, even multi-generation citizens? Where are they talking about boxcars and gas chambers?

Because I can tell you this, even in the GOP-Infested Tea Party that's not happening. Even European posters here say that America's "right" is the left.

So come on, rule 10, where's this extremism? This shall be good.

 

Oh, no! are you a 9/11 conspiracy theorist? You think that the attacks were done by our own government, by President Bush?

Actually I think it's just that they (the people without critical thinking skills) can't tell who the real enemy is.

That's why the USA has moments like export all Muslims, or we can't call French Fries "french fries" we must call them Freedom Fries because France criticized the USA's invasion of Iraq. And, so on...

 

Whatever you believe about 9/11, then you are a conspiracy theorist. The official version of events is an entirely unproven story about a conspiracy of jihadists with the ability to bring down a world superpower, which in various places contradicts known facts and the very laws of physics themselves. Your very understanding of language and reason has clearly been manipulated in order to get you to swallow the obvious lies you were told about that day.

From your first comment I'm beginning to think that neither do you. At least, you are unaware of the extent of damage they have done to you.

 

The only fascism that could ever come about is through Obama and the Democrats. Fascists were always socialists. The Tea Party is ultra conservative, and in the U.S. conservatism means more freedom for the people and less government power. The Tea Party was formed to lower taxes and to stop entitlements from the government so we could pay off our national debt.

As for nationalism, it never existed in the U.S. only patriotism.

 

Succinctly:
When does Nationalism become Fascism ?
Is anyone believing they are preserving their "nation" by opposing, open borders, free trade, etc. a fascist ?

If I were a Euro and being a Fascist was my only political voice to get out of the blood sucking E.U. -
I guess I would be a Fascist.


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All they know outside of the U.S. is the 'spins' put out by the Democrats, especially by CNN and newspapers like the New York Times. They have no idea of our internal issues, and relate American conservatism, which is a strict adherence to our Constitution and individual freedom, to European nationalism.

Anyway fascists are always socialist, so in that way it seems Obama fits the bill.

 

Uhhh, Ivan, that was never the salute to the American flag. We saluted the flag in the same way the army does, with our hand above one eye. Later on it was changed to a pledge over one's heart. The children in the picture, if real, might have been in a German camp.

 

Economic fascism already rules the entire Occident, and has since the Thatcher/Reagan era.

 

Oh my gosh, and Osama Bin Laden was so proud of what he did. Anyway I lived in the New York City vicinity, and knew people who died. I also knew people who went to the World Trade Center and helped in the clean up as well as the head of the engineering firm in charge of the clean up. (My family had passes to visit the site). The fires were burning for three months straight, so tell me now do you think all these people who were in direct contact with ground zero are stupid? Do you think the top engineering firms in New York City and the professors in the top engineering schools in and around New York City are stupid? So tell me, how many of those conspiracy theorist experts teach in M.I.T, Harvard, Univ. of Mich., Stanford, and the hundreds of other top universities?

 

Au contraire
Fascist are National Socialist = Corporationism = statism = Socialism for the Rich, Rugged Individualism for the common folks.
And Obama fits the bill!


Moi

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