It's not required by law to tip your waiter

I hope to hear from some lawyers also waiters. But it is NOT a legal requirement to tip waiters. SOmewhere along the way people in customer service got the impression they are to show up and get tips. Even if the service is outstanding there is NO requirement to tip. If waiters went in with that mindset then they would do a better job and possibly more tips.

 

Aussies are the worlds most unpopular tourists because we do not tip (well not as unpopular as a terrorist with PMT) But then Australia has a "minimum wage" and there is no expectation that the wages are supplemented by tipping. I gather you can be taxed on tips in America

 

From what I understand other countries don't look at it like a custom like in the usa. And by law you should not be looked at as unpopular for not doing something that is not required of you.

 

I thought that too until I found out that some wait staff get taxed on a certain percentage of tips even if they do not get them!!

 

Please be kind when you come here and realize that the people of other nations are not so fortunate as yours. Tip!

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Correct. They lose money.

 

They just add a 20% gratuity to the bill.

 

I'm from America and WRONG. It is not unkind if he/she or any oother human being decides NOT to tip. That's the point of the thread. It's actually unkind for you to suggest a person is unkind if they don't do something that is NOT legally required. Actually it's a form of discrimination. I'm glad I started this discussion.

 

It is very unkind. As are many unkindnesses enshrined in our laws, such as a minimum wage that is not a living wage.

 

Gratuity is NOT legally required. Even if they add it you have the RIGHT to take it off or pay the % you feel is deserved. They can't MAKE you do it legally. These people who get upset and try to ban people and slander them are acting on an illegal premise.

 

The problem with with waiters is the fact that they can be paid a lower min. wage and a lot of establishments divy up the tips among all employees even management. So good service is not always rewarded properly.

I like to tip for good service and always leave the tip on the table. For poor service I always leave a penny so the waiter knows I didn't forget him or her. And yes....the government gets a cut of tips but if you leave the tip on the table and the waiter gets it they can keep the cash and not report it and therefore avoid the tax and not have to split it with deadbeats.

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The problem with with waiters is the fact that they can be paid a lower min. wage and a lot of establishments divy up the tips among all employees even management. So good service is not always rewarded properly.

I like to tip for good service and always leave the tip on the table. For poor service I always leave a penny so the waiter knows I didn't forget him or her. And yes....the government gets a cut of tips but if you leave the tip on the table and the waiter gets it they can keep the cash and not report it and therefore avoid the tax and not have to split it with deadbeats.

 

Its a customary practice in Europe.

 

Tips aren't minimum wage. It isn't REQUIRED as a customre to PAY their wage. It's a TIP if we want to give it. Customrer service is like sales. You HAVE to do your part as a server to convince the customer to want to GIVE you the extra $$. It's not REQUIRED. And like in sales you don't chastize the customer and make up imaginary acts of kindness to force them to give $$.

 

Denmark[edit]

Tips (drikkepenge, lit. "drinking money") are not required in Denmark since service charges are automatically added to the bill. Tipping for outstanding service is a matter of choice, but is not expected.[12]

Finland[edit]

Tips are not at all expected in Finland since any service charges must be included in the bill by law. However, people might leave the small change left over after paying the bill or tip as a compliment for exceptional service.

France[edit]

Tips (pourboires) are not expected in France since service charges are included in the bill. However, French people occasionally leave the small change left after paying the bill or one or two euros if they were satisfied with the service quality in some contexts, such as restaurants, hairdressers, deliveries, ...[citation needed]

Germany and Austria[edit]





Coat check staff are usually tipped for their service.
A guest contributor for USA Today suggested that tipping is not expected as it is in the United States.[citation needed] Service fee is usually included on the bill, but an additional tip of about 5% - 10% is customary. Rounding up your bill in Germany is commonplace, sometimes with the comment 'stimmt so' ('keep the change'),[13] rather than asking for the full change and leaving the tip afterwards. Or the total price including the tip is commented with; thus a price might be 10,50 € and a customer might, rather generously but not unusually, say 'zwölf' ('twelve'), pay 20 € and get 8 € back. For paying a small amount, it is common to round up to the nearest euro (e.g. 1,80 € to 2,- € even).

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You have a very strange definition of kindness, to take the food from someone else's mouth so you can eat yours a few dollars cheaper. If you don't want to tip, cook, or at very least do take-out.

 

Now we're talking. I was gonna bring that up but you beat me out lol. Tips are given IF the customer sees fit, also if they are able to. But it isn't REQUIRED even if service is great. In saying that, I am a tipper. But I just want to clear up the presumption that waiters and bartenders are DESIGNATED to get a tip just becaue they are in customer service/sales. AND it's certainly not acceptable in the busness world to chastize customers for not tipping. As I have stated before, if customer service people get rid of that negative mentality they would probably get better tips. I think a lot of people get into customer service because they got lazy and feel it's easy $$ to get customary tips. NO. Tips aren't customary and cannot be enforced. They have to be EARNED.

 

You aren't the kindness police so quit pressing charges that won't ever stick. The issue is people take these jobs THINKING they are REQUIRED to automatically get tips. If people like you wouldn't keep the LIE going then they would do a better job of being kind in the service they provide and convince more people to give better tips. So say you're sorry and take the blame for helping to take $$ from the customer service people.

 

When everyone in America receives a living wage, we can address the custom of tipping rationally. Until then, yes, not tipping is unkind. To be honest, so is eating out at all. The rest of the workers in restaurant are some of the lowest paid in the nation. And I might not be the 'kindness police' but I'll damn well decide for myself what the poster's basic nature is.

Also, just to show how kind I am: Don't tip, whatever. Fine. But don't eat in that establishment again. Just in case your hard working servers take a dim and spittle-laden view of cheapskates who take up their table and cost them money.

 

I am from America but I see how some of our beliefs hurt our own way of life. Tipping in our country actually opens up the doors to discrimination. Because waiters will treat tippers awesome and non tippers like crap. In customer service that is a no no. That's basic 101 in treating people fair and kind. A lot of people are barely making it and if they have an extra $70 then they deserve to take their family out without being treated like crap because they can't tip. Or if the restaurant has a bad rep for customer service and the customer doesn't tip due to that. People go out to eat to be taken care of not to pay waiters bills. However waiters go to work to give customer service. If they don't like it they can get another job.

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I am from America but I see how some of our beliefs hurt our own way of life. Tipping in our country actually opens up the doors to discrimination. Because waiters will treat tippers awesome and non tippers like crap. In customer service that is a no no. That's basic 101 in treating people fair and kind. A lot of people are barely making it and if they have an extra $70 then they deserve to take their family out without being treated like crap because they can't tip. Or if the restaurant has a bad rep for customer service and the customer doesn't tip due to that. People go out to eat to be taken care of not to pay waiters bills. However waiters go to work to give customer service. If they don't like it they can get another job.

 

If you read all my posts I shared I am a tipper. So that wasn't very kind to accuse me of something that's not true. That's twice you try to ush your views on people without thinking openly. Thanks for exposing yourself.

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Also you're last paragraph is an example of the discrimination I am talking about. Nobody has to be looked at in a negative way because they don't tip. It's not the law.

 

You're both rude and unkind. And irrational. What does law have to do with kindness?

But it's good that you tip. I'm happy you tip. So why encourage others not to with some weird argument equating kindness with law? Just for laughs?

 

You misinterpret things. I didn't say don't tip. It's just important for OUR workers to know they should not expect a tip and to WORK for the tip by doing their job which is to give GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE. If they get that point then they all would do better. Also it's not illegal or rude to not tip. So culturally we should try to enforce something that is not enforcable. Because treating people like crap doesn't make them want to give tips. It makes them want the new table tablet to eliminate the bs. And it just isn't good practice to treat customers like loser because they don't belive what you believe. That's like catholics and mormons treating each other like crap because they have different beliefs. We have lots of customs in the usa and this is one that is more hurtful than helpful plus it can't be enforced. Peole get fired up for no reason. What a horrible industry that you can do a bad job and still expect to get extra $$ via tips and if you don't then the genral public will treat the ones who aren't REQUIRED to do it like crap.

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So once you read my last post then you'll realize you were being rude and unfair and unkind.

 

I came back to apologize. I was rude. I really shouldn't post before sufficient coffee!

 

No you're not legally required to tip. If the server is incompetent or an a$$, they don't deserve anything. They should be tipped a cording to the service. Is common courtesy and to try to justify it away to fulfill some stupid fantasy, is moronic. If you come to the states, you should know the basic customs. Tip around 20% if you eat out, drive on the correct side of the road and wash your hands whe you leave the bathroom

 

I apologize for going at you like that. I knew it would be a hot button topic and one that a lot of people don't talk about but it needed to be brought up. It's a real issue.

 

Makes sense. Most of it.