Boehner to announce "GOP alternative to Obamacare" "soon"--

Under ACA, 20-odd million people make out like fat rats and 280 million people get hammered.

 

Are we talking about the same plan? The one that Rep. Ryan suggested subsequent to the enqactment ofObamaCare?

 

Ryan hasn't proposed a comprehensive health reform plan since the Patients' Choice Act, which he was pushing as late as late spring/early summer 2009 (just before the pieces of legislation that became the ACA dropped).

He has, however, suggested converting Medicare to look more like the ACA in recent years.

 

Here is a link to his proposal: http://www.ask.com/wiki/The_Path_to_Prosperity

 

LOL, really? I'm arguing for healthcare to be handled in state, while allowing people in those states to find their best healthcare option, which just might be out of state, and I'm arguing against states rights? Umm. OK.

Obligation to society? I'll tell you what. Don't tax me anymore. Let me have that money so I can donate more money at my local level. I'll guarantee I will do better than the government confiscation racket.

 

That's the GOP budget. Like I said, there's no comprehensive health reform in there, just a proposal to make Medicare function more like commercial plans under the ACA.

If you're calling for the GOP's across-state-lines proposal, you're arguing that the federal government should strip states of the ability to enforce their own insurance laws within their borders (and, in turn, compelling them to enforce their own laws within other states' borders). The states' rights argument against that approach isn't hard to make.

 

Why? The states would still handle their insurance. The thing that changes is that people aren't forced to buy in-state. Perhaps if the states start losing their in-state citizens to other-states, they adapt? This is the genesis of State's Rights.

 

(*)(*)(*)(*) state's rights. Nothing but a code for racism.

 

In this Blue State, we have many insurance options. The insurers only have to follow the benefits package that the citizens wanted. You want to take that away and let the scam insurers get around our requirements.

Only the Red States have those corrupt politicians getting "campaign money" setting up a monopoly for their, cough, favorite insurer. Set up an exchange to let other insurers in based on your state's requirements.

Yep, obligation to society.

Tell you what get out of our country and do what you want. If you want to stay, follow our laws.

 

Welcome to ignore-ville. I have no time for arguing with someone who parses my quotes then feigns indignity to make himself feel good.

 

You clearly have lost the ability to have objective debate.

You agree with me on all my points, except at the very ended when you think you have figured out my motive our agenda and do an about face. Abandoning what you know is right in order to align with ideology.

You are driven by forces beyond logical rationalization. Thus, be ignored.

 

The Baby Boomers were the last well-educated generation in America. We are very well aware of what goes on in this country, and, more than others -- WE VOTE! Eighty million Baby Boomers! Right or wrong, what's a scheming, vote-counting politician going to do? Pander to these poor undereducated young people who were never taught anything, and rarely think about anything but what the other "zeroes" send to them in Facebook and Twitter? Or are they going to pander to 80,000,000 shrewed, sly, canny voters who can see through them like a glass of water....

The whole stinking thing is oriented around screwing young socialists who are too stupid to even realize how badly they are going to be raped to support this socialized medicine fraud. It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic... blame this one on the Public Education Combine. Garbage in -- garbage out....

 

Yeah, the tool for losers.

 

Speaking of subjectivity, you are very wrong in saying that I agree with you. You DO degrade "those" people and I logically point out that it is too ease your conscious about your greed and lack of caring about others.

Demanding more than people wanted to pay started under Reagan. Reagan let the rich keep more of their income while increasing government spending. The GOP refused to adjust revenue for SS and Medicare and then claimed that those programs are going broke.

The GOP refused to do anything about the rising costs of health care because their donors were making the money. Now they try to make a big show about having a better way to handle the problem hoping that they can save their donors money and let the sickest or taxpayers pay more.

 

So now you switch to blaming us. It can't just be the Big Money crowd which can be found in many age ranges. I get a kick at how older conservatives degrade the youth. Older conservatives created the problems but like to blame everyone else. If we had been paying for what we spent over the last 30 years, we would not have had as many problems today.

Oh, are you attempting to use "class warfare".

 

Really? Quote it.

I have absolutely zero guilt about my wealth. I came from a middle class family, with two working parents, I worked hard through school and part time jobs, joined the military to pay for my higher education, busted my ass at a few part time jobs in college, passed with a science based degree, worked my ass off, started my own company, and now EARN what Obama considers "rich".

Unlike the left, I care enough about others to know that me giving them (*)(*)(*)(*) doesn't result in a better quality of life for them.

Teach a man to fish.

Pretty simple stuff. I can't understand why you have trouble understanding it.

 

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

I didn't come on this forum to listen to you ramble about yourself. It is irrelevant to this discussion.

 

Who put President Messiah in the White House -- TWICE?! Who bought into all the hopey-dopey, jive-ass, hyperliberal bull**** socialist propaganda, bomac? Now your President Transparency is revealed as an inexcusably, blatant LIAR on a scale not seen since Richard Nixon, and who is in the bulls-eye to endure the worst screwing of all? If you're under 50 years old, go look in the mirror! And don't blame Baby Boomers for it, because most of us didn't vote for this empty-suit idiot that so many of you Gen-X'ers and Millennials thought hung the moon and stars!

Most of us worked our asses off, paid taxes, took responsibility for ourselves, made our own way in life, and lived with our decisions -- both good and bad. We had to deal with the Vietnam War (which only got 60,000 American soldiers killed), we dealt with Soviet Union threats to wipe us off the Earth, we dealt with a Stagflation economy that impoverished us with flat wages while inflation roared at nearly 20%, and, we dealt with venal, incompetent presidents from Nixon to Carter during all of it. You think we had it easy?! Think again!

Gen-X'ers and Millennials have had to deal with a larger-than-usual recession, made worse by a bunch of idiot socialists running the government, along with a Federal Reserve board interested only in stuffing imaginary money into banks, rescuing big corporations, and running the stock market up to levels nearly double what it is worth! But you want to blame us Baby Boomers? I remember well the old saying, "He who knows not, and, knows not that he knows not, is a FOOL...." The first logical step out of the dilemma that young people face today is to STOP VOTING FOR HYPERLIBERAL SOCIALIST MORONS!

 

I wish I could give you another REP award for this post, but since the system wants me to spread 'em around a bit more before I do, I'll have to settle for this:

+100 . . . Outstanding!

 

I agree.

Thus why did the other poster make it about me? Especially if people like you didn't want to hear my personal response?

Get it together, and figure out what you guys want to talk about, rather than talking in circles trying to make some illogical point.

 

Yes, this was, indeed, a budget proposal. So what?

It was also an alternative to ObamaCare...

 

Not really; most of the Medicare savings and reforms in Obamacare were incorporated into the GOP budgets (had they assumed repeal of those, the GOP would've had to come up with a lot more novel savings of their own).

More importantly, Obamacare isn't just Medicare reform. It's reforming private insurance markets for the many millions of us who aren't Medicare-eligible yet, it's Medicaid reform, it's about investment in prevention and public health, health care workforce development, and so on. Put more simply, it's comprehensive health care reform.

Ryan tried a comprehensive approach in his 2009 proposal and a lot of it ended up in the ACA in one form or another. The budget proposals they've put out since taking back the House aren't comprehensive health reform, they just have some Medicare reforms in them. They don't get coverage to anyone new, they don't have anything to say about how we improve health care quality going forward, or any of the things a real alternative to the ACA is going to have to do.

 

Actually, it is about statism.

Reasonable people may discuss whether it achieves its aims fairly well for a statist approach to governing; but that is a bit like discussing whether a particular cocker spaniel swmims pretty well for a dog...

I believe the CBO has indicated that even once ObamaCare is in full swing, it will leave some 30 million Americans uninsured...

It is not the job of the federal government to "improve health care quality." That is the utopian pipe dream of those who believe that private enterprise is the enemy, and government (especially Big Government) is the solution...

 

Yeh, not that many 22 year olds get any really serious illness. And (*)(*)(*)(*) the poor bastard that does.

The Republicans will come up with what they had before. A "Faith Based" Insurance Plan. Pray you don't get sick

 

By jcarliesui:

When people are able of sustaining themselves without accountability or responsibility... of course society will go that direction.

But hey, so long as all those broke people are able to vote themselves more...

It is not about your wealth but your unwillingness to give back as any follower of Jesus would do.