Republicans won't let Benghazi go . . .

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  1. After Hours

    After Hours Well-Known Member

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    Well, what constitutes as a race baiter in the mind of right wingers is different than what your average human being considers a race baiter, so that's not an easy question to answer.

    And although right wingers like to proclaim themselves the winner of every "argument", you haven't won anything here.
     
  2. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hilarious you know Obama is a race baiter but cant muster the courage to admit it. I did in fact win.
     
  3. After Hours

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    Yes, you win :)
     
  4. GlobalCitizen

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    My agenda is, and always has been to win this war. We need to define it, and realize we are in it, before we ever have a hope of winning it.
     
  5. banchie

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    No, I set the rules and qualifications of who wins. :smile:

    You can submit your reasoning as to why you think you win, I will of course review it and pass it onto the committee for you.:fingerscrossed:
     
  6. Johnny-C

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    Got a verifiable means of support for that ludicrous claim?
     
  7. banchie

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    I think Bush defined it when he said it is a terrorist war and not a domestic police action. You can never win it, because you cannot win a guerrilla war. We have been bogged down in the ME, and that isn't even the hot bed of terrorism that exists in the World. We lost when Bush declared a terrorist war.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...he-world-the-u-s-is-among-the-least-affected/
     
  8. hseiken

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    It's more than that. They ignore calling terrorism here actual terrorism. Things like setting fires to abortion clinics by crazy Christians, etc.

    Until they can carpet bomb America with drones, we'll continue pretending that terrorism in other countries is somehow our problem.
     
  9. GlobalCitizen

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    And here we go, downplaying the threat. It's like the left has trained people to instinctively downplay terrorism, even if they know nothing about it. You do realize, that when these idiots seize control of ME govts, and oil prices skyrocket, I'm going to hammer the left on this entire decade of them saying nothing to see here folks. When we get drawn into the conflicts, like we inevitably will, I'm going to hammer the left on their lack of foresight on account of political leanings.

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    So we just throw our hands in the air, and get blown up huh?
     
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    I don't see how you can place yourself in the shoes of a US soldier, and not realize that your laughing at the possibility of winning our wars is completely disrespectful to our sacrifice and service. Someone posts that they want to win these wars, and they get replies HAHAHAHAHAH, idiot, unwinnable. Wow, how the hell did we get here as a country?
     
  11. hseiken

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    1.) Obviously oil is our prime consideration. Thanks for pointing out that it has nothing to do with terrorism.
    2.) While we're on the subject, why are we still using antiquate fuels for cars? Just asking...
    3.) This is no different than how communism was viewed in the 80's. The commies are coming, we gotta be better than them! We took down communism! Except we didn't, and communism in the USSR wasn't really concerned with us at that point. They were concerned about their own country falling apart. We just told the people we lied to here that we were the cause of this. In this case, WE are the ongoing cause of terrorism. As soon as WE stop OUR terrorist actions, we won't have many to 'defend' against. But now you're getting into the military industrial complex which wants wars to happen (especially a war on a tactic that is prolonged simply by engaging in it) because that huge money.
     
  12. GlobalCitizen

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    And yet another complete slap in the face to the millions of people who actually DID fight the Soviets, and their ideology. At this point, I'm almost ready to say, bring every single US asset home, and IMMEDIATELY. Because obviously, many Americans feel we are fighting unnecessary conflicts. Perhaps we need to show them they are necessary. Seems Westerners got a little spoiled since WWII. They pretend their soldiers are fighting ghosts.
     
  13. AlphaOmega

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    if I had a son he would look like trayvon.
    Police acted Stupidly
    people dont like me because of the way I look

    Shall I keep going or were you somehow unaware of these? Inserting yourself onto national TV to take the side of case still in the system is outrageous. Its straight up jury tainting done by our President. He racebaited on national TV. How is it possible there are people out there that didnt see this or even worse they saw it but still didnt see it.
     
  14. dwarrior

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    A soldier's sacrifice is his job. Some do it from the office and some do it in the field but overall it is a job of servicing America and its interest.
    Just like a FBI officer, police officer, fireman, EMS workers, etc. Its our job to perform a service for others even when there isn't a perceivable winning finale.
    There won't ever be a victory in the War on Drugs, we will never see an end to street gang activity, you can never end bullying, there will always be an over load of people with psychological problem, there is no end to obesity, etc.
    The war in the ME is not about winning, its about enforcing influence and controlling American interest as well as maintaining a major war capable military.
    Domestic terror by Americans is happening and will continue to happen, the only real goal is to control it.
    Saudi Arabia is the hotbed of terrorism in the Middle East but we will never go there to try to extinguish it.
     
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    What a shame that you don't.
     
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    Now that they can't obsess about the stand-down order, they're focusing on the fact that Clinton somehow knew the attacks would happen.



    Show us where Hillary Clinton knew of any of those attacks.

    Of course, you can't. This won't stop you from claiming to have "proof" -- kinda like the stand-down fairy tale.
     
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    Newly declassified documents prove President Obama and then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton knew the Benghazi attack was an act of terrorism almost immediately despite continuing to say it was a demonstration gone awry

    So we must then believe that Ham, Dempsey and Democrat Defense Secretary, Leon Panetta, are liars and part of Hilliary's delusional vast right-wing conspiracy? That would. as Hilliary once quipped, "require a willing suspension of disbelief".
     
  18. Professor Peabody

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    Starting in March requests for additional security were sent to the State Dept and apparently ignored. In early August the State Dept astoundingly REMOVED Security teams from Benghazi despite the repeated requests for more. During the Benghazi hearings Hillary Clinton blurted out "What difference does it make". If she was referring to 4 Americans being dead, including the first American Ambassador killed in the line of duty since 1979, in that narrow scope she was correct we can't bring them back to life. The real problem is the breakdown in leadership to such an extent, our people in Benghazi were asking for more security and got LESS security and died because of it. While we can bring back those 4 men, we can make sure that something like this never, ever happens again. Increasingly over the last several decade, accountability of those in Government, elected, appointed and hired has diminished to nil. That to me is the root of things like Benghazi, Fast & Furious, IRSgate and the DOE energy loans. They are free to make as big a mess as they want and no one is held accountable even when people die like Fast & Furious and Benghazi. First, everyone that should have done something but didn't whether that is failure to act or just ignored their duty should be terminated immediately. To the best of my knowledge no one connected with the four Governmental failures listed above have been terminated or charged with a crime where applicable. Second, changes must be made to policies, procedures and rules to prevent any of it from happening again. As Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's leadership of the Dept was a miserable failure or it would never have happened, that is self evident. She was right to resign when she did she was the leader, the Captain of the Ship and ultimately responsible for the disaster in Benghazi. Sadly, Benghazi would no longer be an issue except the very same leader that presided over the State Dept, now wants to be the leader of our whole country, that is something that should never, ever happen. Benghazi will continue to be an issue till Hillary retires PERMANENTLY to private life and never darkens the doorstep of public office again.

    The New York was in the Gulf of Aden at the far end of the Red Sea. With all the security warning the Clinton State Dept had, the USS New York could have been stationed offshore in Benghazi LONG before the attack.

    USS New York (LPD-21) - Aircraft carried: Launch or land, two CH-53E Super Stallion, two MV-22B Osprey tiltrotor aircraft, four CH-46 Sea Knight, four AH-1 SeaCobra or four UH-1 Iroquois helicopters.

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    Get permission from the new Libyan Government to fly the Cobra's in and out of the Benghazi compound a few time. That would have sent a clear message that we were ready to defend the compound. 2 Sea Cobra's could have made short work of the attackers in that open area.
     
  19. Professor Peabody

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    If she didn't, she should have. Any good leader of the State dept should. If her underlings didn't tell her, it's still her failure as a leader to communicate her expectations. She will never be President due to these serious leadership failures that resulted in the first American Ambassador killed in the line of duty since 1979.
     
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    Well unfortunately for you a large majority of American's don't even care about this phony scandal. Only fox news still parrots the proven right wing lies.
     
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    LOL. So protests of a video can't be terrorism?? Of course it can, but conservatives will never admit it since it proves their position is asinine!

    Violently protesting videos CANT be inflicting terrorism? According to who? The conservative bubble, huh?
     
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    Ahhhh, move those goal posts. At first, it was "she knew", but once this has been proven wrong, the conservatives move the goal posts to "she SHOULD have known."

    Classic case of cognitive dissonance exhibited through moving the goal posts.
     
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    Just sit back and let Hillary decide if she'll be President or not.
     
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    Did Bush Lie and blamed it on a video so not to damage is reelection effort?
     
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    What difference does it make? Whether the attack came from a spontaneous protest or planned terror attack, I'm amazed that the right is obsessing about this single, meaningless fact. Did Obama say that it was a "terrorist" attack in the Rose Garden speech? Who cares? It's unfortunate that Ambassador Anderson got himself, and a few others, killed with his recklessness. He should not have entered a country at civil war.
     
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