Issa apologizes...

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  1. Mac-7

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    There is no other reason.
     
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    There's only one reason to plead the Fifth? Have you never been on a jury before?
     
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    Were any criminal charges in regard to any of Issa's "scandals" ever issued? (I mean by Issa's committee, not those issued against Issa.)
     
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    You keep repeating he same question and I keep giving you the same answer.

    Learner is withholding evidence that incriminates her in a crime.
     
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    What charge(s) should Lerner be granted immunity from in order to testify?

    *crickets
     
  6. GraspingforPeace

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    So, yes, you think that pleading the Fifth indicates guiltiness. You'd be kicked off of a jury for voicing such a foolish opinion.
     
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    I do.

    There is no other meaning of the word "incriminating" except a truth that could harm the witness if it becomes known.
     
  8. GraspingforPeace

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    Do you understand the purpose of Pleading the Fifth? Why it is a constitutional right? Trust me, it isn't because the Founding Fathers were protecting criminals. But, apparently that's what you guys think. The Founders included this within the Fifth Amendment because they liked criminals.
     
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    What Cummings wanted to do....and what he always does....is to rant against his own Committee!! He supports Lerner doing what she's doing. IF he had some integrity on this, he'd WANT her to testify and for the truth....whatever it is.....to come out.

    I am still amazed at how little integrity so many of the Democrats have on these issues. Where are the good Democrats who will stand up and say, "Enough is enough; we cannot let ANY administration abuse the power of the IRS or the FEC or the FCC to attack any Americans for their views." I'm still waiting for one to appear.

    It's always about the cover-up. And this administration has been in a cover-up mode on both the IRS scandal and the Benghazi scandal.
     
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    Well, we already know she did something wrong......and illegal. She wouldn't have "planted" the question at the ABA meeting to try and get out ahead of a story she knew was about to come out. What did she apologize for that day???? TARGETING CONSERVATIVES!!!
     
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    In other words, same old, same old leftist twit MO....belittle, lie, hold out, cover up until the accusers appear (in the minds of the low information voters) to just be bitter people looking for some political points. Take all focus away from the real issues.

    I have to hand it it you leftards, it's effective. You continue to maintain your sycophant base through the use of such shady tactics.

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    I wasn't aware this was a trial?
     
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    Is "wingnuts" a newly sanctioned for a widespread use name for Conservatives, Right Wing and Republicans? For if it is, all I will use from now on is Obamabots, Left-*****, leftnuts and so on...
     
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    Hey, at least he wasn't in fear of Guam tipping over if too many military troops were put on it....

    It's amazing that those buffoons get elected to such high office....oh wait...no, it isn't.

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    Strange choice of insult on their part. "Wingnut" has historically been used to describe pilots.
     
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    Oh would I love to see a special prosecutor, this thing needs one badly.

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    Yes when they have committed a crime they cannot be forced to testify against themselves, they do not have to assist the prosecution with their own testimony. What position is she in that the other witnesses who have been before the hearings and have not invoked the 5th are not in?
     
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    She had broken the law and took the 5th.

    Lerner has taken the 5th............................
     
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    Which was never offered, immunity was NOT on the table.

    Because she said she would, there was never an offer of immunity.

    "Issa later insisted that he had been led to believe Lerner would testify – without immunity – and he didn't know what had changed that.

    But South Carolina Rep. Trey Gowdy shed a little light on the issue in a Wednesday night appearance on Fox News Channel's "The Kelly File."

    "The only thing I can tell is what he said – that he doesn't like what Darrell Issa and I said over the weekend about his client. So he decided that she wasn't going to answer our questions," Gowdy said.

    Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/NewsmaxTv/lois-lerner-irs-trey-gowdy-probe/2014/03/05/id/556359#ixzz2vIvGiJW2


    http://therightscoop.com/trey-gowdy-lois-lerner-will-testify-this-week-or-next-week/
     
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    You seem to be under the impression that ONLY If the White House is directly involved then there would be wrongdoing and then and only then would Congress be investigating. Where did you get that idea. If it stops at the DOJ, FEC, IRS and Treasury then it should STILL be investigated and anyone who committed a crime should go to jail, anyone who violated the rights of citizens should be fired.
     
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    Yes, the only option for pleading the 5th is to protect yourself from having to incriminate yourself. You can't invoke it because what you have to say may be embarrassing. You can't invoke it to protect someone else, spousal protection is under other statutes.
     
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    Not even allegedly, for instance if you are a witness and testifying and asked a question which answer you believe could incriminate you in a crime you can take the 5th even if you haven't been "alleged" to yet.

    What difference does that make vis-a-vis taking the 5th?
     
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    This is where Cummings tried to explain what you are talking about; http://on.msnbc.com/1g1ERhC and this is why this scandal never was.
     
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    It wasn't for protecting innocent people either. It was for protecting CITIZENS. The founding fathers believed that a citizen charged with a crime or being investigated for a criminal act or even just testify under oath has no obligation to assist in that prosecution or investigation by testifying against themselves. It goes along with the government cannot compel you to take the stand in a trail against you.
     
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    He lies through his teeth, the IG report does not absolve the WH or anyone, that was not it's purpose, it only found what had been done it was not a criminal prosecution. And of course they ignore the incriminating emails which Lerner was being asked about where they clearly were stating it was Tea Party groups they were going after.
     
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    Not understanding or wanting to understand what is going on here, whichever comes first, is your own problem. Barking up the wrong tree only leaves you looking foolish, while the Raccoon slips out the back door, while you are still standing there barking at a tree.
     
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    I'll say the same thing to you. You have been barking up the wrong tree ignoring the facts. Not to mention you accuse Cummings of lying of which you have not explained how he lies. It just makes you become the liar when you post such stuff. Not understanding the law explains why you are still talking about Tea Party groups and criminal prosecution. Lerner has committed no crime here and the right is digging its own grave with Issa carrying the shovel. Educate yourself about the law and stop this foolishness.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...donnell_irs_agents_were_doing_their_jobs.html http://on.msnbc.com/1cbfY3C
     

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