If You Want to Really Discuss Race and Sterling, Listen to This

Chicago has been a democratic city for years. Same with Detroit. Urban Development must be approved by the local government. So if in fact it is true that highways were built to bypass black communities so whites could drive by them on their way to work and not have to stop, then blacks might want to recognize the fact that it was their favored party, Democrats, that largely played a role in redirecting roads to bypass black communities in Chicago and Detroit. The two worst cities for black on black violence in the US.

 

Arrogantly repeating that statement every time you encounter something that does not adhere to what has become the equivalent of Leftwing religious doctrine . . . does not actually make it so.

 

Well isn't that a problem? Why do you think white people are so afraid of black people? Have you ever ventured into a black neighborhood for longer than five minutes?

"We can tolerate them as long as we don't live near em!"

They aren't "MY" neighborhoods anymore than they are yours. Discrimination is illegal but we have decades of housing discrimination.

This is the problem with your argument:

Black people need to fix their own communities by making them low crime or moving to better neighborhoods. People in high crime neighborhoods ARE POOR. They have no money. No money means high crime. No money means they can't move. No money means no tax base.

This is why conservatives like you are dragging the country down. Those communities cannot be ignored because they drag the country down. The boot straps method doesn't work when one is already 6 feet under (or one block away from getting sent there).

As to why the GOP will be extinct... those people who need help get the rugs taken out from under their feet. The conservative goons of Paul Ryan camp blame their failed ideology on these people who have no means to help themselves, all while stripping the last crumbs they may have left.

 

It is not Barack Obama's responsibility any more than it was George Bush's, Bill Clinton's, GB1, or Ronald Reagans.

It is an AMERICAN problem; not a black man's problem.

 

Racism:

Learn the definition.

I call it like I see it. That does not make ME a racist for pointing out chumps that harbor racist views. No more projection bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

After fifty years worth of legislated hand holding and who the hell even knows how many billions of dollars flung into the wind it's now Black responsibility to change Black living conditions and the type of attitudes that keep a people keeping THEMSELVES down.

 

Social Engineering started under Johnson's Great Society has been as successful as his war in Vietnam was. Urban development in Chicago and Detroit, mostly democratic government cities, are failed policies enacted under the democrats. And yet many blacks refuse to see this connection and continue to cling to the party that is only making things worse for black communities. Blacks might also want to look at their failed leadership like the NAACP who are working closely with the Democratic party. These blacks who worked with the slave masters to keep the other slaves in line. 150 years later and still nothing has really changed since slavery ended. Or has it ended?

 

Why is it so hard for you to separate an individual black man from black people?

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Please keep your ignorant party banter out of here.

Partisanship has literally nothing to do with this issue.

 

Hahahahaha! To the average leftwinger anything that goes against his or her perceptions of leftwing Political Correctness is racism. One notices that your OP is getting trashed by posters using both cold, hard logic and facts and figures. One notices the fellow leftwingers have not flocked to support the ludicrous nature of the OP. One notes that the initiator is resorting to standard leftwing propaganda bullet points and outright accusations in an increasingly desperate bid to alter the nature of reality.

Instead of more and ever more and every more expensive race-based programs given auto-stamp approval the opposite trend is occuring in this nation because the average citizen finally realizes that to leftwingers there is NEVER, EVER a point at which they say, "Enough has been spent, enough has been done, and finally Blacks should and MUST stand on their own two feet." So the average citizen is increasingly saying "Enough!" themselves. The jig is up. It had to come to an end some time, and it's looking as if that time has finally arrived. Still and all . . . fifty years was a damn good run on the taxpayer's gravy train.

 

Detroit and Chicago are controlled largely by liberals, not conservatives. You might want to rethink which party those white folks are affiliated with. The blinders you are wearing are keeping you from seeing the truth about what is really going on in your own party and your black leaders.

 

What did I say that was inaccurate? Do you believe that a minority can dicriminate against a white person? Do you deny that such concepts are being taught by the US Government and in colleges? Please enlighten me. It seems you don't like the fact that history proves you wrong and otherd are well aware of it. It appears you are upset that you can't continue to spead your falsehoods without being called on it.

 

Just providing the facts. Feel free to do your own research.

 

Nice! A personal attack launched because your arguments have fallen through the floor.

 

As is EVERY major city in the country - New York City, San Francisco, Washington DC, Boston, Houston, Atlanta, etc. What ***IS**** really going on in the Democratic Party? Enlighten me.

Do you have anything of substance to add? Your posts are all the same rants.

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No personal attack. Feel free to report it.

It is a simple quesiton. Why is it hard for you to separate individual black persons from "black people." Your post was littered with "black people" "black living" "black etc."

I'm asking for the explanation as to why you cannot speak in anything more coherent than generalizations. Racial generalizations are racist by definition (which I conveniently provided for you).

 

Of course a minority can discriminate against white people. Blacks are more racist than whites in my personal opinion. The difference is a black racist doesn't STRUCTURALLY disadvantage whites in any way. The converse is true when a white man shows racist attitudes towards blacks.

Fact: Whites in America hold more positions of power than ANY OTHER ethnic group. Therefore, whites practicing any kind of structural discrimination has more significant ramifications towards minorities. Minorities already start off with worse odds of acquiring wealth in life than whites do.

Enlighten me as to how history proves anything in these posts wrong. History says whites have the financial power. History says whites have structurally discriminated against minority groups on this continent for a good 400 years.

 

Again, no one is coming in with buckets of cash to save the day. I am not some "mean" conservative that hates black people and doesn't care if they live or die. I'm simply stating what is reality. If you want to pretend that voting for democrats who propose the same old bull (*)(*)(*)(*) bills and promises of what is essentially the scraps from everyone elses plates is going to turn these neighborhoods around, go ahead. But it wont. And we'll be having the same conversation 50 years from now.

You say the boot strap method is bull (*)(*)(*)(*) but it is all someone has. If you are elderly or disabled we have programs to help. If not, you have your work cut out for you.

Work multiple jobs, ride the bus, do whatever you have to do to afford a tiny apt in a slightly better neighborhood that has a slightly better school for your kid to get a slightly better education than you did. They will end up with a slightly better chance at a slightly better life with a better job and a nicer place with a better school for thier kids. ON and on and hopefully your great grandkids live in a nice neighboorhood with great schools and a great chance to really make a killing. (i'm obviously not directing this at you personally)

It is a brutal process. It is not fair. It's also the only path. There are tens of millions of examples of this path working. It will work for millions more in the coming years. The only question is what percentage of black people in the neighborhoods you refer to will take it.

 

Probably the same place you were during the Central Park 5 case, the Susan Smith case or the Charles Stuart case.

Probably calling for Justice for a teenager who was minding his own business and ended up murdered because a coward with a gun found him to be "suspicious".

 

For one, I'm not advocating to vote FOR Democrats. I've expressed that this is a bipartisan problem.

My animosity is more anti-GOP than it is pro-Democrat. The GOP will stifle the minimum wage (keeping them in multiple jobs), cut funding to public transporation, cut housing assistance, and cut funding to that slightly better public school that would have prevously offered a slightly better education.

You are wrong. The American Dream is NOT to make and count peanuts for three generations, flipping a coin hoping there is some chance for a "decent" middle class life. The American Dream is to come to work every day and CONTRIBUTE, thus establishing a SUSTAINABLE middle class life by the time you croak (for your children).

My animosity towards American conservatives is a direct response to the logic you described in your post. Even if what you said was the true American Dream (which it isn't), I can't take this logic seriously when they are so AGAINST all measures to help achieve that dream.

It is like telling your dog to go get his bone.. but that bone is attached to a string that pulls the bone further and further away.

 

I pointed out the worst cities for black on black murder rates. But black communities in general are lagging behind everywhere. And you are right, most of the cities you mentioned have largely been controlled by the democratic party, and decisions for urban renewal projects were made mostly by democrats. So if highways were built to bypass inner cities where black communities are located, then blame it on democrats.

 

Highways were not built with the sole intention of "bypassing black communities." Highways were built to accomodate the increasing demands of suburbanization, which was fostered by white flight in many Northern cities. The Northeastern Turnpike Complex and the Interstate Highway System were constructed in the 1950s and 1960s, which coincidentally was at the peak of housing riots.

 

Every business has the right to increase their wages. Why are we not seeing liberal business owners setting the example and increasing their employee's wages to $10 or more an hour? I believe because even they know this is nothing more than a ploy to move the focus away from ACA. It's an easy platform to rally the base, but in the end, after the 2014 elections, we will not hear another word about it because not even liberal business owners want it raised, or they would have done it themselves by now.

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Trying listening to the video again. Urban development is planned by the local governments, which for many large cities has been controlled by democrats for decades.

 

Raising the minimum wage is a good idea currently. We have a private sector spending problem.

My comment stands.

 

not really anything new, black people have often blamed others for their troubles for generations.

 

The American dream is something you achieve. It's not something you wake up to and start living.