Global warming computer models confounded as Antarctic sea ice hits new record high

No really, who has been saying the sea ice in Antarctica will decrease? You are confusing land ice with sea ice. Not surprised.

 

I agree that what we release into the atmosphere most likely has some kind of effect. What I need though, before we start a government crisis (oops, too late) is real and actual proof as to what degree OUR effect has.

We do know that the earth's climate changes all on its own. That makes sense considering all the myriad things that change on the earth, in the earth and around the earth (to include local space, the sun, etc). We have a net total of effect and changes driving the climate.

Instead of using climate change as a political tool to enact ridiculous power grabs, attempting to force industries into economically unfeasible infrastructures and to bilk the people out of more money, we must determine to what degree WE affect the climate.

We must determine if that effect is significant or negligible. Is it worth the economic (and political) turmoil to "do something" about it?

Only when we can actually determine our stake in the mix can we decide what to do (or not do, as the case may be).

Unfortunately, that isn't what has happened. The current "crisis" really got its kick start when Al Gore released his ridiculous movie. Al Gore is not a climatologist, he's a politician. I also accuse him of attempting to cash in on his little scam with the cap and trade scheme. The company that was to be the clearing house for the "carbon credits" was partly owned by, you guessed it, senor Gore himself. Even though that never came to fruition (yet), he has still managed to cash in quite handsomely on it all...all the while galavanting around the country on his private jet and living in a home with a carbon foot print the size of Rhode Island.

I have always, and still maintain that when a politician cries "crisis", we should all be very wary and very skeptical. After all, it was another politician who said "you never let a serious crisis go to waste".

 

The CO2 centric models predicted less sea ice in the Antarctic per IPCC. There are numerous hypothesis why it did not happen, none of which have been proven to be true. Peer review does not mean a paper is worth anything, only that it passed peer review. There are multitudes of worthless peer reviewed papers.

 

I made no such mistake. As has been quoted in this thread 4 different times.

 

This is old news man. It's been over a decade that they have looked in to why sea ice is growing in Antarctica, despite the fact that the ice sheets are melting, the ocean is rapidly heating, and the surface temperature is rising. Their models might predict sea ice decreasing because of this data, but that doesn't mean they don't have reasons why this is occurring and it definitely does not mean the Earth and oceans are cooling because there is more sea ice during the winter in Antarctica. Antarctica is actually melting away at a much faster pace than any time in recent history.

 

Wow a prediction is old news?

So you make a prediction. It fails then you say, hey that prediction is old news man.

Pathetic argument.

 

The only melting is in West Antarctica which is a small portion of Antarctica. Sea Ice is at an all time high and East Antarctica is gaining ice. West Antarctica is on the Pacific Rim of Fire. and is the only part of Antarctica that has volcanoes.

Sea Ice:



Antarctic Doom in a nutshell:

The Cryosat study telling us melting was twice as fast as expected had only 3 whole years of data.
Longer studies (800 years) show that this has all happened before.
The same areas that are warming the fastest happen to be over areas of volcanic activity. (Compare the warming below to the volcano’s).





The real key is that much is still not known.

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Kind of funny isn't it. They are predicting what will happen by 2100 and can't even predict anything for 10 years.

 

Kind of funny how you guys have no predictions whatsoever other than cherry picking other peoples work and using logical fallacies to discredit people doing actual research.

And the East Antarctic is barely growing due to some snowfall. The west is melting at a much faster rate which means overall Antarctica is losing mass at a rapid rate and causing sea levels to rise. And showing sea ice graphs is ridiculous. The people telling you that sea ice is growing in Antarctica are the same ones telling you that it's losing mass and melting.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6111/1183

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There's no reason to hold on to predictions using faulty variables when new information presents itself. Just another logical fallacy attempt by the anti-science conservative crowd. As if all of science fails because a prediction or model wasn't 100% accurate. It's hilarious how you guys work.

 

Which is why they all ran for cover when I asked a basic question about air temperature and moisture.

 

The fallacy is to assume that it is caused by global warming and work your hypothesis backwards.

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No nobody gave a (*)(*)(*)(*) because you insisted on calling an after the fact rationalization a prediction.

But hey we know how Aussies like to butcher the English language. I'm sure you believe that there can be such a thing as a post hoc prediction.

 

Researchers find major West Antarctic glacier melting from geothermal sources

 

Mass Gains of the Antarctic Ice Sheet Exceed Losses

 

Once again stick with real science.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/antarctica-andrill-ice-sheets/
By comparison, Antarctica, with some 90 percent of the world's glacial reserves, has generally shed ice in more stately fashion.

 

from the article.

 

I always know when you are know you lost. You then try to make it personal. Tell me do you practice being a tool, or is there some retard gene that allows it occur naturally

 

And we know when you have lost because you are refusing to defend the statements you have made.

Is an after the fact explanation a prediction? Yes or no?

 

Conservative bloggers aren't perpetrating a hoax pretending to be motivated by scientific research.

 

So what, pray, is the 'political agenda' of the scientists from the many different nations all over the globe who agree that global warming is anthropogenic? Are they all involved in some gigantic, global climate conspiracy?

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Yes of course; thousands of scientists from across the world are all involved in this 'hoax'. So tell me, why are they involved in perpetrating this 'hoax', do you think?

 

Money.

And peer pressure.

What do you think the motivation was for the scientists who agreed with the Catholic Church instead of Galileo?

 

Oh give us a break. What "money"? The motivation for the scientists who 'agreed' with the Catholics was avoiding a nasty death at the hands of Inquisitors. As it was Galileo spent the last years of his life in 'house arrest' for daring to suggest he might know a bit more about the universe than the 'men of God'; the arch-conservatives of his day. He was fortunate not to be tortured and executed for heresy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair

 

The non lib scientists who commit hearsay by defying the Church of Man Made Global Warming are under house arrest too.

They are not even allowed to speak on the BBC.

 

What money? More than 2.5 billion dollars pumped into AGW.

 

Er, no. Cranks like Monckton aren't allowed to speak and waste valuable air time. This is the nutter that Republicans have twice invited to testify before Congress on climate change:
http://bbickmore.wordpress.com/lord-moncktons-rap-sheet/
And you think liberals are crazy?

 

Er, yes.

Its the BBC and global warming fanatic's version of the Inquisition.

 

Really? Perhaps you should read through the link I provided and decide who the inquisitor is. Monckton is exactly the type of uninformed, ignorant and misrepresentational kook you climate change deniers rely on for your 'science'. He's been called on his stupidity more times than I can count; and yey he's dumb enough to continue publishing his tripe which Republicans are swallowing by the bucket-load.
He's not the only one.
But here's the genius in all his glory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfA1LpiYk2o