Russia's Government talks about Release of E.T. data.

He just got home from the "hot and sandy" so he will not be in a place to make quite so many posts each day as he can during certain times.

I could be wrong…… but a pretty powerful case can be presented that just about every major religion on earth has had at least some influence through the unfallen Watchers/ sons of G-d….(and some if not most religions had influence from the fallen Watchers and their children)!

Back in 1989 I understood essentially nothing about this…. but then I went and got personally involved as you can see from posts #1 and #4 here:

http://tate4centralnova.yuku.com/topic/383/My-correspondence-with-Rabbi#.VT4SC0uHfLQ

I personally am 99% convinced that what near death experiencer Christian Andreason was shown about UFO technology being involved in miracles from the Jewish scriptures is accurate……. which if true would mean that they also will soon play a major role in ushering in that age when lions eat straw like an ox and the nations learn war no longer?!

http://www.politicalforum.com/other-off-topic-chat/338698-will-ufos-assist-bringing-peace-world.html
Will UFO's assist in bringing peace to the world?????
I personally am now wide open to this possibility...... but I sure wasn't ready for the idea until I read this part of the NDE account of Christian Andreason:

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

The apocryphal book, "The Testament of Solomon" indicates that unfallen Watchers, (as well as perhaps RESTORED formerly fallen Watchers and sons of G-d with UFO technology)… .may play a significant role in the fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48.

At this time I am convinced that the hidden truths about the role of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus's identical twin brother Judas Didymus Thomas in 30 C. E. has amazing potential to make cooperation possible between Jewish, Christian and Islamic Mystics?!

Page 137 to 170 of the following book explain an extremely important verse in the Koran……
http://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Thomas_Book_Near_Death_a_Quest_and_a.html?id=kbiGjKJl4D4C

 

Alpha claims to have unique inside knowledge of a lot of stuff but the 'unnamed source' and 'government secrets' excuse will get you every time. Remember, he's a special 'black ops' dude...

 

Hearsay.

Whispered.

But whispered into my ear by people I trust.

AboveAlpha

 

J. Edna? LOL!!

That's pretty funny and fairly accurate.

However you can ask every single College or University Professor who teaches courses specific to this issue and they will ALL TELL YOU.......

FBI Director J.Edgar Hoover was the most FEARED MAN IN THE U.S.

He had something on EVERYONE!!!

Even Ike....even Truman....and LeMay as well.

He stopped that investigation because he was directly told if he did not his BODY would never be found...ever.

AboveAlpha

 

Robert "Bob" Lazar (/ləˈzɑr/;[2] born January 26, 1959) is the owner of United Nuclear Scientific Equipment and Supplies. Lazar also claims to have worked as a scientist and engineer, reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology at a site called S4, in the Emigrant Valley and Old Kelley Mine area, near the Area 51 test facility. He claimed to have passed several tests by U.S. military officials and was warned that should he reveal anything, his family would be executed (Lazar reportedly signed an agreement to this). Lazar stated the space probe on which he worked creates its own gravitational pull and can pull the fabric of space and time toward it. Both universities from which he claimed to hold degrees have no record of him.


Contents [hide]
1 Notoriety
2 Background
2.1 Education and qualifications
2.2 Legal problems
3 Claims regarding Area 51 / Area S4
3.1 S4 facility
4 Desert Blast festival
5 United Nuclear Scientific Equipment and Supplies
5.1 United Nuclear and legal issues
6 Documentary and media appearances
7 References
8 External links

Notoriety[edit]Lazar claimed to have worked in 1988 and 1989 as a physicist in S4 allegedly located at Papoose Lake southwest of top secret Area 51 near Groom Dry Lake, Nevada. According to Lazar, S4 serves as a hidden military location for the study and research of extraterrestrial spacecraft, or flying saucers using reverse engineering. Lazar claims he saw nine different extraterrestrial vehicles there and has provided detailed information on the mode of propulsion and other technical details of a disc-shaped vehicle he called the sport model. He also claims to have been working on the fuel, an element with an atomic number of 115 (Ununpentium) which allowed the space crafts to warp space and essentially pull the desired destination to the ship. This method of travel allegedly enabled alien travelers to cross vast distances with minimal three dimensional movement. Element 115 was first discovered in 2003.

Lazar first appeared in the media in an Omni magazine article in the early 1980s. He also appeared on television on a local Las Vegas news program discussing his experience at S4 and Area 51. He was also featured in the Los Alamos Monitor in a story dealing with a jet car he claimed to have built with help from a NASA researcher. The car was built from a jet engine modified and placed on an existing car model.[3] The article stated that Lazar was "a physicist at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility".[4]

Background[edit]Education and qualifications[edit]Lazar claims to hold degrees from the California Institute of Technology and Massachusetts Institute of Technology. In 1993, the Los Angeles Times looked into his background and found there were no records to support those claims at either institution.[1] Famed UFOlogist Stanton Friedman was only able to substantially verify that Lazar took electronics courses in the late 1970s at Pierce Junior College in Los Angeles.[5] His occupation was listed as a self-employed document photo processor.[1] His educational and professional background cannot be either completely verified or refuted, a situation that Lazar and his supporters attribute to government manipulation of records and other deletions of history, specifically done to discredit him and his claims regarding Area 51, S4 and his other claims regarding alien technology and beings that he has encountered.[6]

Legal problems[edit]A 1991 Los Angeles Times article reported that Lazar was "on probation in Clark County, Nevada on a pandering charge for having installed a computer system for an illegal brothel (while a few brothels are legal in some counties of Nevada, prostitution is illegal in Clark County).[7]

Claims regarding Area 51 / Area S4[edit]In November 1989, Lazar appeared in a special interview with investigative reporter George Knapp on Las Vegas TV station KLAS to discuss his purported employment at "S4", a facility he claims exists near Area 51. In his interview with Knapp, Lazar said he encountered several flying saucers. He says he first thought the saucers were secret terrestrial aircraft whose test flights must have been responsible for many UFO reports. On closer examination and from having been shown multiple briefing documents, Lazar came to the conclusion that the discs were of extraterrestrial origin. In his filmed testimony Lazar explains how this impression first hit him after he boarded one craft being studied and examined its interior.[8] Lazar claims to have "worked at Los Alamos National Laboratory (specifically in the Meson Physics facility), involved with experiments using the half a mile long Linear Particle Accelerator."[9] Knapp claimed to find Lazar's name among that of other scientists in the 1982 Los Alamos phone book[10] and have a 1982 Los Alamos Monitor news article mentioning "Lazar, [as] a physicist at the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility."[11]

For the propulsion of the studied vehicles, Bob Lazar claims that the atomic Element 115 served as the fuel. Element 115 (temporarily named "ununpentium" (symbol Uup)) reportedly generates a minuscule gravity field which can be tapped and greatly amplified because the field happens to extend just beyond each atom's outermost electron shell. Exactly how this field is accessed, however, remains unclear. But the end result is allegedly a highly directional gravity distortion field. Under proton bombardment, furthermore, it is claimed that the atoms of Element 115 produce antimatter particles which participate in a process of extremely efficient energy production for powering any and all systems and subsystems within the craft. The mass of the nuclear fuel aboard each craft was said to be approximately two kilograms and was enough to last for several years before requiring replenishment.

The large-scale gravity distortion effect is produced by three independently steerable waveguides or tubes within the craft and results in a foreshortening or compression of space-time that would, in effect, greatly shorten the distance and travel time either to a local or interplanetary or, possibly, an interstellar destination.[12]

Lazar also claims that he was given introductory briefings describing the historical involvement by extraterrestrial beings with this planet for the past 10,000 years. The beings allegedly originate from the first and second planets within the Zeta Reticuli star system and are therefore referred to as Zeta Reticulans, popularly called 'greys'.[13] According to Lazar these beings were referred to as 'the kids' within the program, or as 'gourds' among the personnel.

Lazar's stories have garnered considerable media attention and controversy. Lazar's story has its supporters and skeptics, including Stanton Friedman, a ufologist who claimed to have looked into Lazar's background. Friedman claims that Lazar lied about attending MIT and cannot even remember the year he obtained his masters in MIT. No professors at MIT remember Bob Lazar or have any photos of him.[14]

Physicist Dr. David L. Morgan says that he has scientifically refuted most of the ideas that Lazar had elaborated on in his description of the alien spacecraft, particularly its propulsion systems and use of Ununpentium, or Element 115. Morgan stated that, "After reading an account by Bob Lazar of the 'physics' of his Area 51 UFO propulsion system, my conclusion is" this: Mr. Lazar presents a scenario which, if it is correct, violates a whole handful of currently accepted physical theories. That in and of itself does not necessarily mean that his scenario is impossible."[15] Morgan went on to argue that "the presentation of the scenario by Lazar is troubling from a scientific standpoint. Mr. Lazar on many occasions demonstrates an obvious lack of understanding of current physical theories." [15][better source needed]

S4 facility[edit]Lazar alleges that the S4 facility is located near the Papoose Range within Nevada's Nellis Air Force Test Range and is accessed via a dirt road. The details that Lazar provided regarding S4 are very non-specific, with Lazar having stated that he was transported in a blacked-out bus to the site which did not allow him to see the landscape.[16]


Groom Lake (upper left) with Papoose Lake noticeable at the lower rightLazar claims that the S4 base proper contains nine aircraft hangars built into the side of the mountain range, with hangar doors constructed on an angle matching the slope of a mountain. The doors to the hangars are camouflaged with natural material to blend in with the side of the mountain and the adjoining desert floor. He claims the site is protected from all ground-based viewing angles by its location within an isolated valley. Inside these hangars are, according to Lazar, the laboratories and scientists studying extraterrestrial spacecraft.[16]

The name "S4 Area 51" appears in the controversial Majestic 12 (MJ-12) documents but are marked, by the FBI's investigators, as "BOGUS".[17] Access to the area stated by Lazar is highly restricted by the United States government to the public.[18][19]

Desert Blast festival[edit]Lazar and long time friend Gene Huff run Desert Blast, an annual festival for "explodaholics" in the Nevada desert. Starting in 1987, but only formally named in 1991, the name was inspired by Desert Storm. The festival features home-made explosives, rockets, jet-powered vehicles, and other pyrotechnics, with the intention of emphasizing the fun aspect of physics.[20][21]

United Nuclear Scientific Equipment and Supplies[edit]In 1986 Lazar started United Nuclear Scientific Equipment and Supplies, a scientific supply company initially operated in Sandia Park, New Mexico, which then moved to Laingsburg, Michigan. United Nuclear sells a variety of materials including radioactive ores, powerful magnets, and other scientific equipment such as aerogel, as well as a variety of lab chemicals. United Nuclear states "over 400,000 satisfied customers," and these customers include law-enforcement agencies, schools and amateur scientists as well as individual amateur scientists and students.[22]

United Nuclear and legal issues[edit]United Nuclear has had several legal issues in its history. In 2006 Lazar and his wife Joy White were charged with violating the Federal Hazardous Substances Act for shipping restricted chemicals across state lines following a federal investigation that began in 2003.[23] The charges stemmed from a 2003 raid on United Nuclear's business offices, where chemical sales records were examined.[23] Lazar claimed that he mistakenly concluded that United Nuclear could legally sell the chemicals after finding incorrect information on the Internet.[24] Small amounts of polonium, a radioactive element which was in the news at the time because of its role in fatally poisoning former Soviet intelligence agent and whistleblower Alexander Litvinenko, had been sold by the company.[25]

In 2007, United Nuclear was fined $7,500 for violating a law prohibiting the sale of chemicals and components that are used to make illegal fireworks. Lazar and United Nuclear "pled guilty to three criminal counts of introducing into interstate commerce and aiding and abetting the introduction into interstate commerce of banned hazardous substances



ANYONE SEEN BOB AROUND???

ANYWHERE???

AboveAlpha

 

Just to add.....I personally hope people continue for a considerable time to come believing they are the only Space Faring Race in the Universe.

People can't handle it....period!

The PROBABILITY ODDS that in our existing Universe which has approx 100 to 150 Billion Galaxies and an average of between 100 to 120 Billion Stars in each galaxy and amongst all that 10^19th Planets.......that we Human's are the only Space Faring Race or even the Only Human Level or Up Intelligence in the Universe equals a PROBABILITY CALCULATION OF.........1 in 10^187th

Anything at or above 1 in 10^ 150th is a STATISTICAL IMMPOSSIBILITY!!!!

WAKE UP!!!

AboveAlpha

 

There are several parts of a Human Being that continue to grow until they die.

One of these things is a PERSONS NOSE.

IF you look at Bob Lazars younger picture you will see a HOOKED NOSE.....and if you read about this a persons nose that is HOOKED will continue growing to HOOK DOWN.

Also.....Facial Recognition dependent upon system can use in the older systems 120 points and the never systems only 40 points or even less.

Lazar is DEAD....George Knapp...has been paid off.

The supposed NEW LAZAR.....does not pass Facial Recongnition configured for growth and age.

The last proof is his EARS.

The Human Ear is like a FINGER PRINT.....no two people have ears alike.

The Human Ear also continues to grow through out a persons life.

Bob had grown his hair over his ears and still does to an extent.

When a specific group that no longer exists tried to use old younger photographs and using Ear Age Matching....New BOB FAILED!!!

Do yourself a favor....Goggle WHO Bob Lazar was watching Craft Flights at night with.

THEN....you will get the picture.

AboveAlpha

 

Which is meaningless in the scheme of things. I've heard the stories of treaties too. But it's utter balls.

So, I'm with snakestretcher. Unless you can evidence your knowledge it's just speculative jawboning. Trying to put an insider sheen on it is, for me, being dishonest.

And can I be honest? I've met and interviewed a great many intelligence field types, clandestine services people - including those who pull the triggers in covert assassinations. You don't fit the type. None of them would ever come on a forum like this and say the things you do - privately or publicly for that matter. They're just too cautious for that. So I don't buy the insider persona you try to emulate.

 

Well yes. Karma Mechanic provided a link showing his talk at the UFO International Congress held in February 2015. See HERE.

 

What has that got to do with what I posted? It's a deflection.

What I asked was:

I'm still waiting for that evidence that UFOs are alien in origin.

My guess I'll still be waiting for it in a year's time. And every anniversary thereafter.

 

Evidence is what I asked for, not a probability calculation. Provide that and I'll be able to handle it, I assure you. And on that point 48% of Americans already believe UFO's might be alien visitations (see HERE). In other words they can handle it just fine. In fact, a cynic like me, thinks it's very likely that many people today hope and dream for extraterrestrial intelligence is helping us out because those who run our planet do such an awful job with it.

You wake up - and smell the coffee.

 

The Book of Enoch indicates that the 208 Watchers who took human wives were from a higher dimension of space - time but that would not rule out their once having been humanoid either on earth previous to the creation of Adam and Eve or from another planet?!

Whatever their original planet they had gotten to the place where they were free to exist in a higher dimension of space - time and also manifest with a humanoid physical body.

The Book of Enoch stated that they had the technology to cause their form to look much larger implying that they may have been rather short like are reported in some UFO events.

http://reluctant-messenger.com/enoch.htm

 

I was certainly encouraged by what near death experiencer Christian Andreason was shown about aliens visiting earth.

"The Testament of Solomon" is a book that implies some sort of treaty between the extra-dimensional alien Azazel with a higher power who is protecting humans. (Or at least protecting humans who are part of a covenant - treaty agreement with a power above that of Azazel and the Watchers)!

You have probably already read it though haven't you?

http://www.esotericarchives.com/solomon/testamen.htm

 

I already posted a link where he spoke in February at a UFO convention and has a documentary coming out this year. Again posting from Wikipedia. It is sad so sad.

 

Will you give links to the statements of the Russian officials with plans to release such data? Really I don't believe any Russian official to be so stupid as to say that

 

they actually stretch more than they grow. It is gravity that causes the change.

So what you are saying is that some mysterious people have killed Bob Lazar and yet created a person to take his place. Why?

 

Biblically, this is the "Fall", so I suppose you could argue that they fell from a "higher dimension". The Qabalah is a good source for understanding this in a more practical way, though. The problem is that this opens a whole slew of topics that don't really relate to this thread or current affairs.

 

Thank you; this has been my contention since first encountering Alpha and I made exactly the same observation months ago.

 

Near death experiences are explained here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-death_experience
Forgive me if I prefer to accept the scientific approach over the esoteric.

 

To keep him silent, obviously.

But more importantly, where is the evidence in support of this crazy allegation? Where is the evidence that today's Lazar does not pass facial recognition software?

I'll tell you where. No where, that's where.

This is made up hyperbole, a crazy conspiracy theory.

Such nonsense it doesn't even bear discussing.

 

You're very welcome.

I'm fairly new here and move slowly on things like this. I also like to give someone enough rope for them to hang themselves.

Alpha's okay as a guy, I actually quite like him --- but as some sort of Clandestine Services insider, that dog don't hunt.

 

I'm a realist. Got the t shirt, seen the movie and all the rest.

But I've also witnessed many other things that are outside the reality we currently comprehend. At the same time I understand and appreciate that these must, by their nature, remain personal experiences that are easily translatable for others - let alone prove-able.

But science is slowly getting there on these subjects - especially quantum mechanics, wave theory, the Heisenberg Uncertainty principle and the Everett Many-Worlds theory. These are far to technical for me, but I get the general drift, but there's a fools version HERE.

 

There is a pic of some massive triangular craft that hung around Belgium over a period of 8 months. There was over 1000 sightings of that one and it was chased by military planes. The eyewitness accounts from these folks were consistent. Massive craft that did not make a sound which was able to move at incredible velocity. The eyewitnesses included police and military folks.

But I digress. We do not have any pictures of God and Jesus but look how many believe. The evidence for aliens far outweighs the evidence for God but billions believe in God ... why not believe in aliens ?

Just because a story about a spacecraft that crashed may not be true does not mean "all" sightings of UFO's are without merit. This is logical fallacy.

If one can figure out how to fold space then the distances are not so unimaginable.

It is also possible that a craft might be damaged while doing the "hyperspace" travel or perhaps some other aliens who were already here did not want another group invading their territory and shot at this other craft.

Perhaps the good aliens were protecting us from the bad ones ! heh heh heh .... lots of stories one can make up.

 

I try not to drink too much coffee as I don't sleep much.

During our training years ago they had us going and ding some of the most strenuous activities you could imagine...no breaks hardly and we did this for 23 hours and we were allowed 1 hour sleep and this went on for 5 days.

The Human Body of an average person will DIE without sleep.

I did not sleep at all the first 3 days and on the fourth a slept 1 hour and was woken 1 hour later and I felt like I was DYING.

Facts were....I WAS!!

Without sleep the Human Body cannot repair internl organs and although I made it the 5 days before we were allowed 6 hours sleep...only to start again but this time 3 days with 1 hour sleep and after the 4th day we were allowed 5 hours sleep.....then a 36 Hour non-stop training session although you can't really calll it training as it is simply a way to get certain men to quit...and they do....by the DROVES.

When they would leave the Staff would make everyone stop and renind each trainee the shame of walking out down washout ally.

Washout Ally was simply a cement sidewalk that existed between two of the buildings and one of which was the Locker Area.

When I drink Coffee although I love coffee....I turn into the Tazmanian Devil on Crack!! LOL!!!

I switched to Ice Tea only to find that BLACK TEA has at 8 oz. (237 mL) 14-70 mg and Green Tea has in 8 oz. 237(mL) 24-45 mg of caffine.

Comparing this to coffee as I would EASILY DRINK a HALF GALLON CONTAINER OF ICE TEA in the Morning I was dosing myself with up to 560 mg's of Caffine......while at the very most I would only drink 16 to 22 OZ's of Coffeee dosing me with 200 mg's to at most 300 mg's of Caffine.

And they have YET to develop a Low Caffine Version of Coffee to my liking.

AboveAlpha...p.s...if your looking for EVIDENCE.....read my posts on the two MASSIVE WASHINNGTON DC.

One of these happened in the early 1950's and he second in the 1960's

MILLIONS OF AMERICAN'S WATCHED LOW LEVEL PURSUIT OF THE ALIEN CRAFT BY BOTH IN THE FIRST CASE I STILL BELIEVE iF WAS CALLED THE U.S. ARMY AIR CORPS.

In the 1960's it was the F-104 Starfighters

These flyovers seen by Millions of American's strarted a NATONAL.HYSTERIA as it was thought the Soviets had developed a Secet Super Advanced Aircraft that we could not shoot down.

You can Google the Washington DC Newspapers for this happened for weeks with Alien Craft ranging sometimes into the HUNDREDS.

When the the U.S. Military Brass along with the Undersecretary of Defense on TV and told people in the 1950's that these aircraft WERE NOT SOVIET AND MOST LIKELY ALIEN CRAFT........PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY RELIEVED!!!


You can Goggle and watch the actull TV News Shows.

The event in the early 1960's was BAD....and this is when some moron came up with the idea of strapping that Nuclear Air to Air Missile to the F-104's short and small wingspan as the F-104 was designed as a Rapid Climb Supersonic Interceptor....and those Nuclear Air to Air Missiles were designed strictly for destroying large numbers of Soviet Bear or other Bombers coming toward North America over the Polar Arctic Ocan Ice Cap......THAT'S when such a Nuclear Air to Air Missle was to be used......CERTAINLY NOT TAKING OFF FROM LANGLEY OVER A VERY DENSE POPULATION ZONE.

All this information has been decassified by the FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.

AboveAlpha

 

There is no such training