Could we Canadians STOP the Iran deal?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I plead guilty.......... frankly I would love to have dual citizenship....... both Canadian as well as American!

    Perhaps......... that was there in my subconscious mind as I .................. (was this all a diabolical gambit to conniver and manipulate my way into dual citizenship)............ ????????!

    Could it be that I am really that evil and selfish....... deep down in my subconscious mind/ soul/ spirit??????????! Wow..... that is kind of heavy!!!!!! "Oh wretched man that I AM......."

    http://www.christianforums.com/thre...cans-from-a-canadian-and-a-thank-you.7653888/
    An apology to all Americans from a Canadian, and a thank you!

    Some of my ancestors were Masons from Dixie who came to Country Harbour, Nova Scotia at the time of the American Revolution. I deeply appreciate the fact that so many Americans were closer to God than we Canadians tend to be and somehow your leaders were guided to not persecute us!

    I also wish to apologize for the fact that the leadership of my nation was less guided by the Holy Spirit and we did not understand how the independence of America was comparable to the division of the Northern Kingdom of Israel from the Southern Kingdom of Judah at the time of King Rehoboam the son of Solomon.

    I also wish to apologize for our elitism because it has been playing a significant role in your economic crash of 2008. If a higher percentage of Americans understood the full implications of truly wise monetary policy the world would begin to look quite different indeed!

    http://www.michaeljournal.org/plenty49.htm
    Chapter 49 The History of Banking Control in the United States
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    Despite what some people in both Canada and the U.S. might think.....Canada and the United States are ONE SINGLE MILITARY ENTITY.

    NORAD is a prime example.

    Because some Canadian's like to do everything they can to distance themselves from U.S. Policy many people around the world think that we are two seperate Nations....but in all reality we are not.

    There are direct BLOOD RELATIONS between the two Nations and we have been working together Militarily for the past 100 years and during the Cold War as we are now....there are HUNDREDS of Join Canadian/American Bases from Alaska all over Northern Canada.

    The vast majority of the Canadian Population lives along the boarder with the United States and we are so close culturally with the exception of some in Quebec....it is difficult for other people around the world to tell the difference between us because there really is very little if any difference.

    Canada greatly benefits from it's relationship with the U.S. and we see Canada as our Kid Brother.

    As far as the Middle East we both have the same goals even if we often purposely seem divided as that allows us an IN....as we can send Canadian's into areas that American's cannot go and make no mistake....Canadian's help protect us as much as we protect Canadian's.

    The United States has made mistakes in the Middle East in the past primarily because we were looking at and dealing with a much bigger issue and looking at a much bigger picture....that being trying to prevent WWIII.

    Because of this Iran was overlooked as far as the Shah.

    But what is happening now....this is IT for Iran.

    We gave them what they wanted....and if they screw us....we will invade.

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    I see no other possible reason for it.

    We knew they started digging these secret underground facilities the moment they started.

    And all those Iranian Engineers, Physicists, Scientists...etc....they KNEW we had the capability to detect these underground sites.

    I am fairy certain they are just as worried about allowing the Ayatollah's and the Mullah's to gain access to Nukes as we are....but we are fully capable of seizing all Iranian Nuclear Sites.

    The hard part is doing it without killing 100's of Thousand's of Iranian's.

    And I believe if we have to Invade...because Israel will bomb those sites....we very well might take some very exotic weapons out of the War Chest.

    Non-Nuclear EPM's would seem the weapon of choice.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What an absolutely fascinating theory on what is being set up...... by whom..... and why????!!!! Wow!!!!!!
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes..... exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I was one of the first people to be made aware that the Iranian's were digging out underground facilities years ago.

    I and others could not understand WHY they would do this given our capabilities finding them with Deep Ground Penetrating Radar as NASA had developed this and had been using it on Interplanetary Probes.

    Thus anyone who is an Iranain Physicist, Engineer or Scientist would be very aware of our capabilities yet they decided to gig out these underground nuclear facilities to hide their 17,000 Centrifuges as there is only ONE REASON anyone would build that many centrifuges and that is because they don't have the Technology to enrich Uranium any other way and since they could have bought Reactor Grade Uranium at a price that was just a tiny percentage of what it cost to tunnel out these facilities plus the cost of building 17,000 cetrifuges this ment they were trying to hide their weapons grade enrichment program.

    But they would KNOW we would find them....but the only people who would not know we had such abilities would be the Ayatollah's and Mullah's and obviously no one told them!!!

    Thus I can only surmise Iran's Best and Brightest are doing what they can to delay at all cost the development of large numbers of Fission Bombs.

    Nothing else makes sense.

    Iran's population desperately want's democracy so the delay could be an attempt to wait until this Old Religious Guard Leadership DIES OUT.

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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have an astonishingly courageous friend who has written a note that I know you will find interesting...........

    https://m.facebook.com/notes/shabna...ral-activit/10153254687435616/?__mref=message
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is your assessment of this article, (Facebook note) written by one of my online friends?


    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...1561.1203367229&type=1&theater&__mref=message

     
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    Part 2......The Islamic Republic of Iran(*)(*)—State sponsor of Terrorism: by Shabnam Assadollahi | March 2015:
     
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    I believe that her comment is basically accurate!

    Continued.......
    The Islamic Republic of Iran(*)(*)—State sponsor of Terrorism: by Shabnam Assadollahi | March 2015:
     
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    Every nuclear expert says this is a good deal; http://www.msnbc.com/hardball. It's pretty obvious they know something you don't.
     
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    Probaby a good idea.

    In Iraq so called IRANIAN DIPLOMATS were actually members of Iran's QUD'S FORCE....which is a Division dedicated to spreading the Iranian Islamic Revolution WORLDWIDE.

    We caught these so called..."DIPLOMATS"....supplying SHAPED CHARGED WEAPONS....to be used as ROADSIDE IED'S....as a SHAPED CHARGE WARHEAD is designed to penetrate Armored Vehicles.

    They produced their Diplomatic Paperwork and we confiscated the weapons and told them next time we will SHOOT FIRST and the check the bodies for Diplomatic Paperwork.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    exactly, 'no deal' is ridiculous, but if that is what Israel wants, lets go with no deal..... I have a feeling if the deal was not there, they would be back to saying "Iran will have a nuke in a year" and upset about it

    fact is Iran is still a "risk" even with a deal, but a deal is our best chance of reducing that risk..... if Iran breaks the deal, then we are at the same point we are today, just give us more time.... right now we are not prepared for another 10 year war.... had Bush not attacked Iraq for allegedly 'having' WMD, we could I suppose attack Iran for allegedly 'going to have' WMD in the future

    of course if Iran doesn't break the deal, then war avoided....

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    "Every nuclear expert says this is a goodeal" is a pretty strong sentence!

    I would be very interested in the opinion of some other nuclear experts...... whose wives and husbands and children and grandchildren are at the most probable ground zero.......in the event of Iran being able to do a nuclear strike, even if it does take them ten years to get to that place.....(ground zero = living in Israel)?!
     
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    Actually...... I agree with you that "no deal" is a terrible idea.... but if you really analyze what I have been saying from page one in this thread........ what I am clearly advocating is that Canada's P. M. Stephen Harper and his team, intervene in this deal........... temporarily stop it..................... address some of the most obvious glaring errors in it................ and then Iran is left with a better deal that makes it more difficult for them to do something illogical that could get ten million Iranians and as many as perhaps one hundred thousand to one million Israelis killed?!

    Those aging extremely zealous Islamic officials in Iran who are guiding their nation toward terrible policies............. need to have their freedom to lead their people into doing suicide attacks in some form..... .decreased somewhat.

    P. M. Stephen Harper is going to be very busy over these next ten weeks because he is in the middle of a federal election that is scheduled for October 19, but, there is always a possibility that he decides that doing this might in some ways have advantages over the traditional type of campaign.

    If he were to campaign somewhat less...... and devote more time into tweaking this Iran deal.............. a high percentage of us Canadians who try to be objective when it comes to politics would tend to be impressed by that usage of time.
     
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    A good deal is better than a bad deal. Sanctions are better than a bad deal. The Obama/Kerry deal looks like an attempt at face-saving for America while Iran go on building nuclear weapons and the crony capitalists of both parties make a buck doing business with the Nazi-tollas.
     
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    we got the best deal we could with republicans on the sidelines telling Iran America would not honor ANY deal.... how anti-Israel are republicans anyways... that was pathetic

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    No, sanctions aren't better in this case. Sanctions haven't prevented Iran from building a nuclear industry, nor will the continuation of sanctions prevent them from obtaining a nuke if they really truly want one.

    so if Sanctions aren't the solution, despite the fact the economic pressure has brought Iran to the table to negotiate in the first place, what is your "solution" to prevent Iran building a bomb?

    War?
     
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    One definite advantage that the era of sanctions had....... was that it left Iran with 150 billion dollars less to work with to spread their ideology and as AboveAlpha mentioned.............

     
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    My idea.... is EXTREME peace/ cooperation between the nations of Israel and Jordan financed through a modern and larger scale variation on the Worgl, Austria local money experiment of the era of the Great Depression.

    Then expand and expand and expand.............

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/dann...eans-from-rising-ocean-levels/642434499224784
    (Page.... Dannion Brinkley for President 2016)
    The Sahara Forest Project and saving New Orleans from rising ocean levels.

    The world highest tides occur in Canada's Bay of Fundy between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and the State of Maine.

    The difference between low tide to high tide near where I live in Nova Scotia is only a little over one meter.

    Near Truro, N. S. and Moncton, N. B. the difference between low tide to high tide is fifteen to seventeen meters.

    If ocean levels rose by an average of thirty centimetres would high tides be up by 4.5 meters along parts of the Bay of Fundy? The way the Bay of Fundy is shaped it tends to FUNNEL tidal waters.

    30 cms x 15 = 450cms or 4.5 meters.

    There are 143,000 acres of very productive farmland along the Fundy that are protected by dikes. This land is arguably the most vulnerable land in the world to the threat of rising ocean levels?

    EVERY CUBIC METER OF OCEAN WATER THAT IS DESALINATED AND ADDED TO THE WATER TABLE OF JORDAN, will NOT be on top of New Orleans, New Jersey, parts of Florida, islands in the Caribbean, Bangladesh, The Netherlands or those 143,000 acres along the Bay of Fundy.

    Near death experiencer shown peace deal between Jordan and Israel is coming.

    I read both of Dannion Brinkley's books about his two near death experiences back in the '90's. ……

    Dannion Brinkley:
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    "The country of Jordan was changing color" could mean that the deserts were turning green. There is an ancient Islamic prophecy that in the latter days… the deserts of the Islamic nations would be turned green.
    http://saharaforestproject.com/projects/jordan.html

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    I just got sent another article on what Iranian officials are up to.........

    http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news...f-conscience-receives-the-death-penalty-15111
    Iranian prisoner of conscience receives the death penalty
    Aug 06, 2015, 03:30PM | Rachel Avraham
     
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    You can desalinate until you are blue in the face and it won't change sea levels.. What the heck is happening to Canadians??
     
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    First make it crystal clear that Iran is never going to be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon. Period. We will do whatever it takes to prevent that. What is negotiable are the sanctions.

    Iran correctly read that Obama would not use force and he would not walk away from the deal, and they took him to the cleaners. He is the President and there is very little we can do about that right now. The agreement states that Iran will not attempt to develop or otherwise obtain a nuclear weapon. Congress should right now authorize the President to wage war, by any means necessary to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power, should they break this agreement.
     
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    What has saved our coastal communities ........ so far...... is the colossal amount of ice being ADDED to the CENTRAL region of Antarctica.

    http://www.habtheory.com/1/101.php
    The amount of growth in ice in central Antarctica has offset the colossal amount of ice that is cracking and sliding off the land based Greenland Ice Sheet..... plus the Himalayas..... plus virtually all the land based glaciers all over the world....... but.............. this formula is unlikely to continue for much longer.................. considering the specific situation with the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.

    The W.A.I.S. is below sea level and therefore highly vulnerable to rapid cracking and sliding.

    If one or two cubic kms or cubic miles of ocean was desalinated and added to the water table of Jordan, Qatar and other Islamic nations...... and then increased and increased until they were on a magnitude comparable to what has been done in Israel........... this could be highly significant for some people..... especially the residents of extremely vulnerable cities like New Orleans.
     
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    That looks like an apology that recognises that Obama/Kerry's deal is a lousy one and tries to blame Republicans for it. When you are pointing fingers rather than taking credit for your work, that usually isn't a sign that even you think much of your work.
     

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