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From what I know the F-35 is even more stealthier than the F-22 now. Don't let the fat shape fool you. More and more advanced RAM has allowed the F-35 to have a RCS lower than 0.0001m2.

General Mike Hostage


The Russian PAK FA is around 0.1m2. The F-22 is around 0.0001m2 RCS.

What the F-35 needs now is the expanded bay which can carry 6 AIM-120s, and to hurry up with the Cuda missile development. Also the DIRCM to blind IR sensors. It's biggest advantages over the F-22 is stealth, range, IRST and DAS. The F-22's biggest advantages is its more powerful radar, agility, and higher missile capacity. However the F-22 will get IRST soon and HMD to support DAS-like functions.

 

U.S. Stealth Tecnology exists at least 30 years in advance f Russia and 37 years in advance of China or more.

We are already developing and testing Gen 7 Drone Robotic Self Autonomous Aircraft and neither Russia or China are anywhere near this level.

The U.S. Military is in some aspects 50 to 100 years in advancement of any other Military on Earth.

In other Classified areas...more than a century in advanced.

But we don't make such advancements immediately for use in todays U.S. Military as what we currently have developed is more than enough to defeat any adversary.

We don't want to kill people.

But sometimes we have no choice.

AboveAlpha

 

Last I heard the F-22 was getting the F-35 RAM coatings as it is more durable & will stop the F-22 from being a hanger queen.

 

The F-22 production line is supposed to be able to be restarted within a year with critical tools, jigs, etc. going into secure storage & videos made of all stages of production just in case the US had to go to war.(Presumably not in reference to another Iraq level opponent). Would a US republican President two years from now reopen the F-22 production line or or fast track a sixth generation air superiority fighter?

Right now I am just hoping that Australia will be allowed to buy the variable cycle thrust vectoring engine being developed by General Electric for our F-35s if it becomes available for the US F-35s.

 

It has happened before. Only months after taking office, President Carter ordered the entire B-1 program killed.

Then about 9 months into his first term, President Reagan ordered the program to be updated and improved, and the B-1B was born.

 

This was done when Carter was President, Rockwell kept the everything in storage and waited to see who would be elected POTUS in 1980. If Carter would have been reelected, the assembly line would have found it's way to the salvages yards.

Lockheed Martin also did the same thing and waited to see if a community organizer would be sent packing in 2012.

It's expensive to keep an assembly line in storage. The word is most of the assembly line was scrapped, sold and there were some good deals at the Lockheed Martin salvage yard in 2013.

Quora always has people who comes up with good answers.

I question if every thing has been put in storage. Warehouse space isn't cheap, Lockheed Martin isn't exempt from paying property taxes.

Side note: When I was a kid I use to tag along with my father who would go to the North American Aviation salvage yard that was located in El Segundo, Ca. and great deals on odd screws, rivets, dies, aluminum, drill bits, etc.

During the 1980's Burbank, Ca. had a number of salvage yards and industrial surplus stores all the stuff came from the Lockheed Skunk Works.

I don't think the F-22 production line can be reopened.

It's like the CH-46 Sea Night and the CH-47 Chinook. The Army kept the CH-47 production line going for over 50 years and they are still turning out Chinooks.
The Marines stopped buying Sea Nights in 1971, and just went to upgrading all of Sea Nights from then on.

The Sea Nights were getting old, no longer able to transport 24 Marine grunts but only a rifle squad. The CH-46 replacement is the V-22 Osprey, a very expensive aircraft. If the CH-46 production line existed and could have reopened Congress would have forced the Corps to buy new CH-46's instead of buying a new aircraft like the V-22.

The CH-46 Sea Nights were good helicopters, I probably have flown in the CH-46 more than any other helicopter.

 

We will no longer build anymore F-22's.

We are already flying and landing and taking off from Aircraft Carriers Gen 7 Robotic Self Autonomous Stealth Drone Aircraft.

Gen 6 have a Pilot on the ground...Gen 7 do not.

We will build Gen 7's in great numbers as they are inexpensive and we can dedicate large numbers of such inexpensive aircraft to Air Supremacy, Fighter/Attack, Tankers, Recon., Electronic Warfare, Wild Weasal's...etc.

Without the massive amount of weight in an F-22 or F-35 that is purely dedicated to Human Pilot Life Support....which is a LOT OF WEIGHT....such as the entire Cockpit and Ejection Seat....Tanks of Compressed Air and O2....plus the size of the aircraft and the construction of specific Stealth Angular Geometry takes into account the Pilots Field of Vision in the Cockpit.

A Gen 7 Robotic Self Autonomous Stealth Air Supremacy ONLY Aircraft...which does not have a Pilot, Does not have the added weight of life support as it only has it's own radar and PASSIVE RECIEVER....which allows such an aircraft to access U.S. Satellite and AWAC Data as well communicate with it's other SWARM CRAFT via a STELLITE UPLINK thus these U.S. Gen 7 Robotic Stealth Aircraft will never duplicate a target being shot at as they will use the CUDA HYPERSONIC AIR TO AIR MISSILE which has no warhead as it doesn't need one as the amount of KINETIC ENERGY TRANSFER that happens when one of these relatively small but HYPERSONIC Air to Air Missiles SLAMS INTO AN ENEMY AIRCRAFT.....it causes more damage than any existing Air to Air Missile with a warhead existing and built by any nation.

As Mushroom posted these CUDA's are not expected to be operational until 2020 to 2025 I believe Mushroom posted.....but because of the list of problems encountered by JUMPING AN ENTIRE GENERATION OF AIRCRAFT as the U.S. Military went from the F-15....an OUTSTANDING FIGHTER AIRCRAFT as well as without a doubt the most capable attack aircraft of Mudmover in the world as so is called the F-15E MUDHEN....well we jumped from the IMPROVED EAGLE F-15C/D....to the F-22 Raptor.

THEN....we realized that DRONES were the way to go and much cheaper so we immediately started building Generation 6 Stealth Drones while we were still building F-22 Raptors which have shown are IMPOSSIBLE TO SHOOT DOWN BY ANY OTHER NATION'S AIRCRAFT INCLUDING THE F-15C's....but the Gen 6 has a Human Pilot thus it is possible no matter how unlikely due to rotating and evolving Fractal Based Algorythmic Encription...so it is POSSIBLE to hack into a Gen 6 Drone.

So we made the Gen 7 Drones with no Human Pilot on the Ground and we have already taken off and landed the Gen 7's on Nimitz Class Carriers.

The Gen 7's were made possible because of 10,000 Quibit Quantum Processors and a Gen 7 Robotic Self Autonomous Drone was not flown although they were being constructed while only 1000 Quibit Quantum Processing was available.

At 10,000 Quibit Quantum Processing this allows so much code to be imputted that if we had 100,000 people working 24 hours a day using a Binary Code it would take over 100 YEARS just to input the necessary Software Programming to allow the Gen 7's to do what they do...that being able to achieve Air Supremacy, be a Fighter.Attack version for CLOSE GROUND SUPPORT, be a TANKER for mid-air refueling, be a BOMBER, be a Recon Aircraft.....be an ELECTRONIC WARFARE AIRCRAFT....be an AIR TO AIR MISSILE MISSILE CARRIER...BE A WILD WEASAL....etc.

The Gen 7's have NO HUMAN PILOT either aboard on flying then on the GROUND.

They must be able to land on U.S. Navy Aircraft Carrier's and Take Off as well in all weather...night or day.

They must be able to IDENTIFY FRIEND FROM FOE....something NO ONE is talking about how they do this as it is HIGHLY CLASSIFIED....but I personally think it has to do with the 10,000 Quibit Quantum Computer.....as they programmed it by using a number of PROGRAM'S FROM HUMAN BEINGS TO IDENTIFY as I believe the Gen 7's are sort of a form of A.I. although they are not sentient.

They are using almost Children's Book's Software to allow the 10,000 Quibit Quantum System that run's all of these TO LEARN AND PROGRAM ITSELF!!!

Thus when we think about the very best Networked Multiple IBM SUPERCOMPUTER'S used by the FBI, CIA and especially NSA....as they have FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE and VOCAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE and the NSA System can even determine who a person is no matter how different they are typing or how different their spelling or subject matter is simply by the Networked IMB Supercomputer's being able to IDENTIFY THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES FOR A SPECIFIC PERSON TO TYPE A WORK AND THE TIME DIFFERENTIAL IN SAY,....WHEN A PERSON TYES THE WORD......IDENTIFY.....the time differential from when that person types the letter either small case or upper case letter I...to the D...to the E...etc....

And cross referebce the time diferrential it takes for a person when they use a different word in a sentence with every other word....thus if I type...."I must identify what is wrong"......there will be a certain plus or minus time passage between each letter I type as well as a certain plus or minus time differential between typing another word in such a sentence or another word prior to such a sentence and when all variables are taken into account we can KNOW with 100% CERTAINTY WHO IS THE PERSON TYPING!!!

Same thing with VOICE RECONGNITION.

Same thing with a Gen 7 being able to know who is the ENEMY and who is OUR MEN AND WOMEN IN THE MILITARY!!!

It can see EVERY LIGHT SPECTRUM....it can tell which Soldiers on the Ground are experiencing TRAUMA, ANXIETY or which Soldiers on the Ground are COOL AND CALCULATING....thus depending upon Mission Specifics it can use this data plus a MULTITUDE OF OTHER DATA.....that a Human Pilot is simply not capable of seeing.

An A-10....an aircraft I LOVE because it has saved my life and the lives of my Team several times.....has a Human Pilot and even though the A-10 was built with a TITANIUM COCKPIT and designed to take direct hit's and keep flying....an A-10 Pilot even flying LOW AND SLOW can only see a certain amount of things in the tiny amount of time the Pilot has and he flys over the area.

The Robotic Self Autonomous Gen 7's....well when they fly over the same area they do it much faster and a Microsecond for a Gen 7 doing a Recon. Observation is equal to a Human Pilot having 24 HOURS OF STUDY TIME OF THE SAME AREA!!!

But even more...the Human Pilot might have some IR- Sensors....on an A-10...most likely not....but the Gen 7 Drone....see's EVERYTHING....hear's anything broadcast over the Radio....can see the IR-Light Signatures and match them up instantly with the IR-Light Signatures of a U.S. Soldier carrying a standar Pack and Body Armor and Helmet as well as the ammo and M4 or M-16 or M-14...etc....as opposed to what this particular enemy usually carries and within a few NANO SECONDS....KNOWS WHO IS FRIEND AND WHO IS FOE!!!

The Gen 7's will work in SWARMS and each Robotic Drone will serve a specific function as they are affordable and imagine a Gen 7 Fighter/Attack Drone carrying just a single CUDA WHEEL LAUNCHER which is small but carries many Cuda air to air Hypersonic Missiles while at the same time this Fighter/Attack Gen 7 Variet can carry MORE BOMBS THAN AN F-15E!!!

The Gen 7 Air Supremacy Fighter Aircraft will be dedicated ONLY TO THE PURPOSE OF SHOOTING DOWN OTHER ENEMY AIRCRAFT.....and will be able to carry large numbers of CUDA's as well as access Gen 7 MISSILE CARRIERS which for the time this role will be filled by B-1MC's which along with ONLY 6 GEN 5 F-35'S are capable of destroying about 300 ENEMY AIRCRAFT as the B-1MC's as they are delegated to the role of AIR TO AIR MISSILE CARRIERS and the B-1MC's are SUPERSONIC thus they can skirt and aerial battle zone as F-35's with their super advanced avionics and Fire Control Systems will access the CUDA Missiles carried in Wheel Launchers as a wheel that has many CUDA's mounted upon it turns so that the next Cuda is at the lowest and closest to the ground location on the wheel and within the F-35's these Wheel Lanchers are carried internally and the CUDA is dropped out of the F-35's Internal Missile Door and then ignites and traveling at A MULTITUDE TIMES THE SPEED OF SOUND....as HYPERSONIC mean's the CUDA is traveling at a velocity of at least 5 TIMES THE SPEED OF SOUND OR FASTER.

The B-1MC's will have MANY...MANY....CUDA LAUNCH WHEELS....and as the B-1MC....is Supersonic....it can fly at high velocities around the aerial battle zone and once ONLY 6 F-35'S engage their targets of up to around 300...say....J-10 Chinese Fighters....the F-35's Targeting System might launch a Cuda Missile at a J-10 from it's own internal Air to Air Missile Carrier or the F-35's Targeting and Fire and Control System might fire a Cuda from the B-1MC skirting the Battlefield.

The point being that ONLY 6 F-35'S will be able by using COMPUTERIZED TARGETING AND FIRE CONTROL SYSTEMS NEVER WASTE TWO MISSILES ON ONE TARGET!!!

As well target's will be computer selected as part of an OVERALL AERIAL BATTLE PLAN.

NOW....IMAGINE THIS BEING DONE BY A SWARM OF BOTH GEN 7 AIR SUPREMACY FIGHTER AIRCRAFT ALONG WITH GEN 7 AIR TO AIR MISSILE CARRIERS as using a 10,000 Quibit Quantum Processor they wil be able to out think and out plan and make decisions MULTIPLE LEVELS FASTER AND MORE PLANNED AND SPECIFIC THAN ANY HUMAN PILOTS!!!

The Gen 7's will have the Radar Return of a DRAGONFLY!!!

They will be capable of manuvers and velocities far beyond a Human could survive!!!

They will be able to fire a multitude of CUDA HYPERSONIC MISSILES at multiple target's from their own craft and from the Gen 7 Missile Carriers so what might take a Human Pilot at least a minimum of 7 to 10 seconds to fire 2 AAMRAM's at 2 targets....a Gen 7 Fighter along with a Gen 7 Missile Carrier could launch perhaps as many as 10 CUDA missiles every 3 seconds from both their own craft and the Missile Carriers.

The U.S. Congress has already designated the F-22 Raptor as well as the Gen 7 Robotic Drone's NOT AVAILABLE FOR SALE OTHER THAN TO THE U.S. MILITARY.

But even a Nation that has F-35's is going to be LEAPS AND BOUNDS MORE CAPABLE AND MORE LETHAL IN THE AIR!!!

I would have to say that currently the BEST GEN 4 FIGHTER IN THE WORLD IS THE EUROFIGHTER TYPHOON.

A SINGLE F-35....can destroy as many Typhoon's as the F-35 is carrying Missiles and Ammo for....and same as the F-22.

But when Australia and the U.K. and other U.S. Allies get their F-35's and they are getting them now....they realise that the USAF B-1MC's will be stationed in AUSTRALIA, the U.K., Italy, Germany....etc.

The combination of the F-35's and the B-1MC's will give our Allies the ability to DESTROY ANY ENEMY AIRCRAFT AND IN WHATEVER NUMBERS!!!

The B-1MC's will be flown and maintained by the USAF....but it is in our best interest as well.

BUT FOR ANYONE OR ANY MEMBER HERE TO THINK THE F-35 IS A DOG.....just try going up against an F-35 because unless you have an USAF F-22 Raptor or a USAF Gen 7 Robotic Self Autonomous Stealth Drone.....YOU WILL BE SHOT DOWN WELL BEFORE YOU EVER KNEW YOU WERE BEING TARGETED!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Battlespace controllers will still need to authorize and provide tasking inputs to autonomous UCAV's IMO, so autonomous is more about the flyin then the totality of its operations like some AI killing machine!

 

Gen 7 is still years away from being used in a Swarming Fashion like they intend to use it.

The Computational Power is available now but these Gen 7's are going to have to be networked somehow.

Right now it takes a bank of Networked IBM Supercomputers to direct even a small swarm say 10 aircraft to do what Human Pilots can easily do.....but with a 10,000 Quibit Quantum Computer....that is enough to control vast numbers of Gen 7's.

AboveAlpha

 

You are forgetting about your FEL lasers, all of the generation 7 fighters will just be sitting ducks if your previous prediction comes true. There will just be lasers in space & lasers on land and everything in between will just get zapped. Eventually there will be big ships in space, little fellers to transport people & cargo between ship & earth and beam me up Scotty.

On a more serious note a human & stealth fighter combination that can act as a cyborg, no cockpit canopy, flight control panels, joystick or manual interaction just the human and machine wired directly together able to respond instantaneously with full awareness & human level intuition might prove more effective than your drone swarm thing(if it could survive the FEL lasers that is ).

Freddy.

 

You seem to think that the U.S. Military is not yet using Lasers.

Lasers have been flaunted by the US Navy before, but now it's announced that 2014 will see the very first solid-state laser deployed aboard a ship, two years ahead of schedule. The USS Ponce, a vessel used as an amphibious transport dock stationed in the Persian Gulf, will get the honor of hosting the prototype Laser Weapon System (LaWS). Not only can the hardware set boats and airborne drones ablaze, but it can also emit a burst to "dazzle" an opponent's sensors without inflicting physical harm. Sure, it cost roughly $32 million to construct, but the price is expected to fall when it hits wider production, and Chief of Naval Research Rear Admiral Matthew Klunder estimates that it each shot rings up at under $1. It may not be the missile-obliterating free-electron laser that the Navy's been lusting for, but we're sure it doesn't matter much to drones at the end of the beam

LINK....http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/08/navy-ship-mounted-laser-2014-deployment-video/

More to come.

AboveAlpha

 

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Author: Spencer Ackerman. Spencer Ackerman Security Date of Publication: 02.18.11. 02.18.11 Time of Publication: 3:36 pm. 3:36 pm Unexpectedly, Navy’s Superlaser Blasts Away a Record


Updated 10:25 a.m. April 12

NEWPORT NEWS, Virginia — Walking into a control station at Jefferson Labs, Quentin Saulter started horsing around with his colleague, Carlos Hernandez. Saulter had spent the morning showing two reporters his baby: the laboratory version of the Navy’s death ray of the future, known as the free-electron laser, or FEL. He asked Hernandez, the head of injector- and electron-gun systems for the project, to power a mock-up electron gun — the pressure-pumping heart of this energy weapon — to 500 kilovolts. No one has ever cranked the gun that high before.

Smiling through his glasses and goatee, Hernandez motioned for Saulter to click and drag a line on his computer terminal up to the 500-kV mark. He had actually been running the electron injector at that kilovoltage for the past eight hours. It’s a goal that eluded him for six years.

Saulter, the program manager for the free-electron laser, was momentarily stunned. Then he realized what just happened. “This is very significant,” he says, still a bit shocked. Now, the Navy “can speed up the transition of FEL-weapons-system technology” from a Virginia lab to the high seas.

Translated from the Nerd: Thanks to Hernandez, the Navy will now have a more powerful death ray aboard a future ship sooner than expected, in order to burn incoming missiles out of the sky or zap through an enemy vessel’s hull.

“Five hundred [kilovolts] has been the project goal for a long time,” says George Neil, the FEL associate director at Jefferson Labs, whose Rav 4 license plate reads LASRMAN. “The injector area is one of the critical areas” of the whole project.

The free-electron laser is one of the Navy’s highest-priority weapons programs, and it’s not hard to see why. “We’re fast approaching the limits of our ability to hit maneuvering pieces of metal in the sky with other maneuvering pieces of metal,” says Rear Adm. Nevin Carr, the Navy’s chief of research. The next level: “fighting at the speed of light and hypersonics” — that is, the free-electron laser and the Navy’s Mach-8 electromagnetic rail gun.

Say goodbye to an adversary’s antiship missiles, and prepare to fire bullets from 200 miles away, far from shoreline defenses. No wonder the Navy asked Congress to double its budget for directed-energy weapons this week to $60 million, most of which will go to the free-electron laser.

It won’t be until the 2020s, Carr estimates, that a free-electron laser will be mounted on a ship. (Same goes for the rail gun.)

LINK....http://www.wired.com/2011/02/unexpectedly-navys-superlaser-blasts-away-a-record/

More to come.

AboveAlpha

 

Navy Deploying Laser Weapon Prototype Near Iran
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Continue reading the main story WASHINGTON — The Navy is going to sea for the first time with a laser attack weapon that has been shown in tests to disable patrol boats and blind or destroy surveillance drones.
A prototype shipboard laser will be deployed on a converted amphibious transport and docking ship in the Persian Gulf, where Iranian fast-attack boats have harassed American warships and where the government in Tehran is building remotely piloted aircraft carrying surveillance pods and, someday potentially, rockets.
The laser will not be operational until next year, but the announcement on Monday by Adm. Jonathan W. Greenert, the chief of naval operations, seemed meant as a warning to Iran not to step up activity in the gulf in the next few months if tensions increase because of sanctions and the impasse in negotiations over the Iranian nuclear program. The Navy released video and still images of the laser weapon burning through a drone during a test firing.
The laser is designed to carry out a graduated scale of missions, from burning through a fast-attack boat or a drone to producing a nonlethal burst to “dazzle” an adversary’s sensors and render them useless without causing any other physical damage.
The Pentagon has a long history of grossly inflating claims for its experimental weapons, but a nonpartisan study for Congress said the weapon offered the Navy historic opportunities.
“Equipping Navy surface ships with lasers could lead to changes in naval tactics, ship design and procurement plans for ship-based weapons, bringing about a technological shift for the Navy — a ‘game changer’ — comparable to the advent of shipboard missiles in the 1950s,” said the assessment, by the Congressional Research Service, a branch of the Library of Congress.
The study found that the new high-energy laser “could provide Navy surface ships with a more cost-effective means of countering certain surface, air and ballistic missile targets.”
Among the limitations, according to the research service, is that lasers are not effective in bad weather because the beam can be disturbed or scattered by water vapor, as well as by smoke, sand and dust. It is also a “line of sight” weapon, meaning that the target has to be visible, so it cannot handle threats over the horizon. And enemies can take countermeasures like coating vessels and drones with reflective surfaces.
Navy officials acknowledge that the first prototype weapon to be deployed is not powerful enough to take on jet fighters or missiles on their approach. That capability is a goal of researchers.
Among the advantages cited in the study for Congress was the low cost — less than $1 per sustained pulse — of using a high-energy laser against certain targets. By comparison, current short-range air-defense interceptor missiles cost up to $1.4 million each.
The laser weapon also has a limitless supply of ammunition — pulses of high energy — so long as the ship can generate electricity. The beam can reach its target at the speed of light and can track fast-moving targets.
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Continue reading the main story Rear Adm. Matthew L. Klunder, the chief of naval research, said the high-energy laser system was developed as part of the Navy’s search for “new, innovative, disruptive technologies.” In essence, the Navy is trying to harness technological advances in battling adversaries that are thinking of inventive ways to counter American power.
Admiral Klunder said the weapon had destroyed targets in all 12 of its field tests.
The laser prototype cost just under $32 million, officials said. But if the weapon proves itself during its sea trials, and the order is given to buy the laser system for service across the fleet, the price per unit is expected to drop.

Rear Adm. Thomas J. Eccles, the deputy commander for naval systems engineering, said the first laser device would be deployed on the Ponce, which serves as a floating base for military operations and humanitarian assistance in the waters of the Middle East and southwestern Asia.
Iran has two navies: a traditional force of large older ships and a rival one run by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps that consists of fast-attack speedboats with high-powered machine guns and crews that employ guerrilla tactics, including swarming perilously close to American warships.
A significant confrontation between the United States and the Revolutionary Guards occurred in 2008, when five of Iran’s armed speedboats made aggressive maneuvers as they approached three American warships in international waters in the Strait of Hormuz. Pentagon officials said the commander of a Navy destroyer was on the verge of issuing an order to fire when the speedboats pulled away; no shots were fired.

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The propulsion and power plant of the Nimitz-class carriers was designed in the 1960s. Technological capabilities of that time did not require the same quantity of electrical power that modern technologies do. "New technologies added to the Nimitz-class ships have generated increased demands for electricity; the current base load leaves little margin to meet expanding demands for power." Increasing the capability of the U.S. Navy to improve the technological level of the carrier fleet required a larger capacity power system.

The new A1B reactor plant is a smaller, more efficient, design that provides approximately three times the electrical power of the Nimitz-class A4W reactor plant. The modernization of the plant led to a higher core energy density, lower demands for pumping power, a simpler construction, and the use of modern electronic controls and displays. These changes resulted in a two thirds reduction of watch standing requirements and a significant decrease of required maintenance.

A larger power output is a major component to the integrated warfare system. Engineers took extra steps to ensure that integrating unforeseen technological advances onto a Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier would be possible.

LINK....http://maps.thefullwiki.org/USS_Gerald_R._Ford_(CVN-78)

Now when they were first designing the now named FORD CLASS STEALTH CARRIER.....of which the first three being built are the almost finished CVN-78 Gerald R. Ford....CVN-79 J.F.K....and CVN-80 Enterprise....they knew that the first now named Ford Class would be operational before 2020 and as U.S. Nuclear Aircraft Carrier Design and Construction is now a SCIENCE....they new that by 2016 to 2020 the U.S. Military's Direct Energy Weapons Programs would be ready for deployment and this would require a LOT MORE ENERGY than the old Nuclear Power propulsion and power plant of the Nimitz-class carriers was designed in the 1960s would be capable of so they designed the A1B Nuclear Reactor.

About 10 years ago it became apparent that MAJOR BREAKTHOUGHS in U.S. Laser Technology would allow what is now known as an FEL or FREE ELECTRON LASER to be placed upon U.S. Carriers and Cruisers and the FEL is the HOLY GRAIL OF LASERS as it's frequency can be adjusted thereby allowing the FEL Beam not to have to deal with ATMOSPHERIC ISSUES like other Lasers have to deal with as unlike standard Lasers which can be limited and reflected and disbursed by anything from clouds, temp. inversions, vater vapor, pollution...etc....in Earth's Atmosphere....as the FEL Beam is computer driven frequency adjustments allows the FEL Beam to punch though just about anything.

Continued......

AboveAlpha

 

So as the U.S. Navy began to realise how huge a breakthough had been made with the FEL they redesigned the now named FORD CLASS STEALTH CARRIERS to have not only one A1B Nuclear Reactor as the new A1B reactor plant is a smaller, more efficient, design that provides approximately three times the electrical power of the Nimitz-class A4W reactor plant.....BUT INSTEAD REDESIGNED THE FORD CLASS TO HAVE TWO A1B NUCLEAR REACTORS!!!

Thus a single Ford Class Stealth Carrier has 6 TIMES THE NUCLEAR SUPPLIED ELECTRICAL POWER THAN A NIMITZ CLASS CARRIER!!!

SIX TIMES MORE!!!

The reason for this was to supply power to the Ship and power the new Mag-Lev Aircraft Catapults.....but as well supply the FREE ELECTRON LASER SYSTEM which will be built into all Ford Class Carriers....and as well the Ford Class will have RAIL GUNS.....as also installed will be the U.S. Navy’s Mach-8 electromagnetic rail gun.

But there will still be power available for use to power two other Classified U.S. Navy Systems that I will not discuss.

AboveAlpha

 

What's so "stealthy" about the Ford class carrier ???

You know that any time any ship be it a mine sweeper, tug boat, destroyer, an amphibious ship or aircraft carrier turns on it's navigation radar, surface search radar, air search radar, air traffic control, etc, it sends out a electrical signals that are able to be detected by the bad guys.

Any time a ship or aircraft communicates with each other using radio frequencies, it only takes a $100 scanner to listen on and detect where the ship or aircraft are located.

The "Ford class" carrier was sold to Congress as being stealth only to get stupid Democrats to vote for it.
They did the same thing with the F-22 Raptor, add a couple of hard points to the wings and call it a dual purpose fighter'attack aircraft . Liberals are so stupid.

 

Hey....I didn't name the damn thing!!

LOL!!!

It has something more to with some new tech they intend in install by 2020 than the smaller than usual Radar Return the Ford Class has compared to a Nimitz.

You right in that it's a freaking NUCLEAR AIRCRAFT CARRIER that's over a 1000 feet long and has a big tower and aircraft upon it...etc etc...etc.

But they have been developing and they already have a version of it that is based upon a similar concept in the F-22 Raptor.

Evidentally they have developed a way to Electromagnetically make Radar Detection impossible.

But it's more than just effecting Electromagnetic Radar Pulses or Doppler it also can effect or scramble specific Light Frequencies specifically IR....Infrared.

I have an idea on how this would work but it not something that should be discussed here.

AboveAlpha

 

Yeah...no. Radar has advanced a little bit since 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_electronically_scanned_array#Low_probability_of_intercept

 

I haven't found any Navy paper claiming that the USS Ford is stealthy, it does have a smaller radar signature than the Nimitz class carriers.

The article I posted above wasn't titled "How to hide an aircraft carrier" but "How to hide a task force."

Carriers have cruiser and destroyer escorts and there's usually an oiler loaded with JP fuel close by with it's frigate escort. A nuclear carrier has to be refuled with JP fuel every 3 days when conducting normal flight operations. All of the escorts have to be refuled.


The U.S. Navy no longer deploys Carrier Battle Groups, in todays Obama's PC Navy it's Carrier Strike Groups, One carrier a cruiser and a couple of destroyers, just a fraction of the escorts that a Carrier Battle Groups use to have.

CBG-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_battle_group#/media/File:Abraham-Lincoln-battlegroup.jpg

CSG-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carri...le:George_Washington_Carrier_Strike_Group.jpg

Basically our navy is at it's smallest size since 1916, that's the way Obama and the liberals want it.

 

You and I both know that in time of an impending WAR....at least 4 or 5 full USN. Carrier Battle Groups would be used.

Against Iran we would have one in the Red Sea....one or two in the Med. Sea....2 in the Arabian Sea.

There would be no need to go deep into the Persian Gulf as another Pro-Iranian Military Capability Member here discussed how a U.S. Carrier Battle Group would be easily attacked in the Gulf by Iranian Forces. LOL!!!

I have been privvy to such possible Battle Plans and I can tell you and every member here.....any U.S. Military Action or Invasion of Iran to seize all Iranian Nuclear Sites could go a few ways.

One way that is very likely is that rather than allow themselves to be blown out of the water or blown out of the sky...both the Iranian Navy Leadership and Iranian Air Force Leadership who understand very well that for them to follow some insane orders to attempt an attack upon U.S. Naval or other U.S. Military Forces would result in their IMMEDIATE DEATHS....would most likely instead STAND DOWN and follow the orders given to them or air dropped to them in Millions of Leaflets...where we want them to go to wait out the U.S. Military Operation so that they can later be used as the new Navy and Air Force of a Democratic Iran.

The Iranian Regular Army which unlike the Fanatical Iranian Republican Guard....well the Regular's are just a bunch of forced to enlist KIDS....and they would most likely STAND DOWN as well and follow U.S. Military instructions where to go to wait out the U.S. Military Operation.

The Republican Guard Divisions....they would most likely fight....thus we would wipe them out very quickly using an array of U.S. Military Weapons Systems one for certain being Heavy U.S. Bombers dropping New Cluster Munitions that are self directing to act as Anti-Mechanized Unit Weapons or Anti-Personal Weapons.

One thing for certain....they would not survive such a U.S. Attack.

Iranian Command and Control would be rendered useless withi the first minutes of the war and the U.S. would certainly go after the Iranian Religious Leadership as they would either be wiped out or they would run.

AboveAlpha

 

Just to add...if you read about the amount of power that would be available from two A1B Nuclear Reactors which will be installed in every Ford Class Carrier.....this is enough to run all Carrier Systems and more than enough power to be used for the Free Electron Laser Systems, Electromagnetic Rail Guns....and two Classified Systems that are specific to EM Light Spectrum Scramblers.

These would be used to completely inhibit Radar and IR-Light Detection Systems of any enemy force.

AboveAlpha

 

You have still not provided a link to an "EM Light Spectrum Scrambler" proving it could exist.

Freddy.

 

This is just an aspect of it as what I will now post and this data was from back in 2011 and what the U.S. Military Black Program's have already developed....as the U.S. Military Black Programs have a budget that exists MANY TIMES WHAT THE ENTIRE GDP OF A EUROPEAN COUNTRY WOULD BE.....they have developed methods of using very high powered EM-Fields in conjunction with METAMATERIALS and this allows us to hide or render invisible to IR-LIGHT AND OTHER VISIBLE OR NOT PHOTON EMMISIONS DETECTION anything from Engine Exhaust to ENTIRE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS ON A SUNNY DAY!!



Well....they have found a way to use Electromagnetic Nano-Dot Clouds was well as

'Perfect black' coating can render
a 3D object flat, raises intriguing dark veil possibility in astronomy


Nov. 23, 2011

ANN ARBOR, Mich. - A carbon nanotube coating developed at the University of Michigan acts as a "magic black cloth" that conceals an object's three-dimensional geometry and makes it look like a flat black sheet.

The 70-micron coating, or carbon nanotube carpet, is about half the thickness of a sheet of paper. It absorbs 99.9 percent of the light that hits it, researchers say.

"You could use it to completely hide any 3D attributes of an object," said Jay Guo, a professor in the Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science and principal investigator.

"It's not cloaking, as the object can still cast a shadow. But if you put an object on a black background, then with this coating, it could really become invisible."

A paper on the research is newly published online in Applied Physics Letters.


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To demonstrate this concept, the researchers made a raised, microscopic tank shape on a piece of silicon. They then grew the carbon nanotube carpet on top of the entire silicon chip. In photos taken through an optical microscope, they show that the tank is imperceptible. As a control, they did this again, carving out a rectangle that was not coated with carbon nanotubes. The rectangle is visible on this chip, but the tank remains hidden.

Here's how the new coating works: Human eyes perceive an object based on how it reflects or scatters light. The "refractive index" of this new coating is similar to that of air, meaning light traveling through air doesn't scatter or reflect when it hits the coating.

It's well known that carbon nanotubes are capable of absorbing light, but the researchers were able to push it to such a high percentage by spacing them just right.

The "perfect black" material Guo's team created for this coating has a host of varied applications. It could possibly be used in display screens for ultra-high contrast and a crisper picture. It holds promise as solar heating device. The National Institute of Standards and Technology is using a similar material to absorb infrared light and measure the amount of heat it can generate.

The coating could inspire a new type of camouflaging paint for stealth aircraft. Today's stealth planes use shape to scatter electromagnetic waves and avoid detection, and this scheme could actually absorb the waves.

LINK...http://www.eecs.umich.edu/eecs/about/articles/2011/guo-camouflage.html

Metamaterials
Researchers are currently exploring the possibilities associated with an artificial type of matter called metamaterials.

Naturally occurring matter exhibits behavior based on the molecules that make it up -- the atomic material that composes the finished product determines what properties the product will have. For instance, take the relationship between wood and light. Wood, like all natural matter, reflects and refracts light. But just how much light it reflects and refracts depends on how the electromagnetic waves of the light interact with the particles -- like electrons -- that make up the wood.

With metamaterials, the sum of the parts, not the parts themselves, determines how the material behaves. Researchers have found that by using certain materials -- like gold and copper arranged in certain patterns and shapes -- they can combine the properties of those materials. In other words, unlike natural matter, metamaterials' behavior depends on the properties of the materials that make it up and the way the materials are put together.

So how do metamaterials make something appear invisible? To simplify it, Duke University's David R. Smith suggests this: Imagine a fabric woven of thread. In this fabric, light is only allowed to flow over the threads (meaning it can't travel into the nooks and crannies between the threads). If you punch a hole in the fabric with a pin, light will go around the hole and resume its original course of travel, since light can only travel over the thread. So to the light waves, the hole doesn't exist. If you put an object in the hole, the light waves would go around the object too, effectively rendering the object invisible [source: Technology Review].

This is what metamaterials theoretically can do: They guide light around an object, rather than reflect or refract the light. So to the light waves -- and the human eye that perceives them -- the object might as well not even be there. If the light waves can be guided by the metamaterials around the object and back to its original course, the object wouldn't cast a shadow, either. This is another goal of using metamaterials to create cloaking devices.

Smith is one of several researchers using metamaterials to manipulate microwaves -- the electromagnetic waves used in radar. To effectively manipulate an electromagnetic wavelength of any kind, the metamaterial used has to be smaller than the wavelength. Since microwaves' wavelengths are measured in centimeters, scientists have the technology to create metamaterials small enough to manipulate them, moving waves around an object. A stealth bomber sheathed in the right layer of metamaterials, for example, could be invisible to radar. The shield would be visible, but radar wouldn't be able to detect the plane.

Making the entire aircraft invisible to the naked eye is a bigger challenge. For one thing, we don't currently have the technology to manufacture materials on the small scale required to manipulate light waves. Light wavelengths are measured in nanometers (billionths of a meter), and the metamaterials needed to block light must be even smaller than that. Another challenge is that a metamaterial cloaking device would have to be arranged to manipulate light on the entire visible spectrum, because different colors exist on different wavelengths. And lastly, a cloaking device would plunge a person on the inside into darkness, as the light that would normally reach him or her would be diverted around the cloaking device.

If research and funding for metamaterials continues at its current pace, these challenges could soon be overcome

LINK....http://science.howstuffworks.com/invisible-tank1.htm

AboveAlpha...more to come....

 

This has a bit to do with it.

Inverse Doppler effect[edit]Since 1968 scientists such as Victor Veselago have speculated about the possibility of an Inverse Doppler effect. An experiment that claimed to have detected this effect was conducted by Nigel Seddon and Trevor Bearpark in Bristol, United Kingdom in 2003.[11]
Researchers from Swinburne University of Technology and the University of Shanghai for Science and Technology showed that this effect can be observed in optical frequencies as well. This was made possible by growing a photonic crystal and projecting a laser beam into the crystal. This made the crystal act like a super prism and the Inverse Doppler Effect could be observed

LINK...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppler_effect

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CHECK THIS OUT!!!

LINK....http://www.science.slashdot.org/story/11/09/05/2343245/tanks-test-infrared-camouflage-cloak

AboveAlpha

 

Navy's new laser weapon: Hype or reality?

Of course there more to be said.

>" So, despite the present euphoria emanating from the tests conducted by the USS Ponce, caution is warranted. The tests were clearly conducted with a thumb pressed firmly on the scale. Most high power lasers still fail because they cannot get high power and good beam quality at the same time, while being within usable dimensions. "<

It's all here -> http://thebulletin.org/navys-new-laser-weapon-hype-or-reality8326

 

The Ponce is not using an FEL.

The FEL system will begin being installed on all FORD CLASS CARRIERS around 2018 to 2019.

This is one of the reasons why two A1B Nuclear Reactors instead of just one will be built into all Ford Class Carriers as one A1B Nuclear Reactor supplies 3 TIMES the power a single A4W Nuclear Reactor supplies a Nimitz Carrier and all Ford Class Carriers will have two A1B Reactors supplying 6 TIMES the power to a single Ford Class Carrier that a single A4W Nuclear Reactor supplies power to the Nimitz Class Carriers as a single A1B Nuclear Reactor can generate up to 300 Megawatts of Electrical Power.

The REASON for so much additional power?

To run Mag-Lev Aircraft Catapults.
To run Electromagnetic Rail Guns.
To power the Free Electron Laser above 100 Megawatts Beaming Capability.
To power the Ford's Propulsion System.
To power Nano-Tubular Anti-Radar Invisibility.
To power Metamaterial Anti-IR-Light Invisibility.
Etc...etc...etc.

AboveAlpha