Senate blocks anti-abortion bill

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  1. Cubed

    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks, I'll give that a read when I can.
     
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    I don't think so, and apparently I'm not alone on that:

    As I pointed out earlier, the vast majority of abortions are performed during the first trimester. At five months you're no longer talking about an early term procedure.
     
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    And this gives me 1 more item to add. My list of things that makes the Dems crazy grows longer. Not so long as the Repub list but it's been getting closer since '06. Maybe they'll even manage to pull ahead if they give Hillary the nomination.
     
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    A great many? How does that compare to this; since RvW there have been over 58,000,000 abortions in the US alone.
     
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    Sounds like genocide to me

    Is it any wonder western civilizations are having a hard time maintaining their native populations


    Heck I was one of 7 brothers

    My parents were good Catholics :eekeyes:
     
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    100% of abortions end a human life.
     
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    Brilliant observation. That's what it's supposed to do...
     
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    You are correct. In fact, this year less than 1% of abortions are attributed to due to rape or incest.
     
  10. Penrod

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    That the reason you keep using the term fetus is merely to do what the Germans did to the Jews. Try to dehumanize them. How is it all prenatal care literature refers to it as a baby. Its not the health of you and your fetus they speak of because that would be dehumanizing . You seem to think their just a clump of cells
     
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    Honestly, nobody is Really sure. There are a couple of studies and extrapolation of data available, but so far the 2 most credible numbers I can find are these.

    Some estimates between 200K and 1.2 Million per year
    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3502503.html

    using these books as sources

    1. Calderone MS, Abortion in the United States, New York: Paul B. Hoeber, 1958, pp. 178-180.
    2. Abernathy JR, Greenberg BG and Horvitz DG, Estimates of induced abortion in urban North Carolina, Demography, 1970, 7(1):19-29.

    as well http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/

    As this is a vary large differential, someone else wrote a book using mathematics and statistical analysis to try and find a more accurate number, using the available numbers of maternal deaths and the likely hood of death.

    http://www.nrlc.org/uploads/stateleg/LifeWithoutRoe1992.pdf

    (there is a chart that won't seem to format right so it's Table 1 of Page 6.

    Basically, nobody knows for sure.

    But what is known, is the effect on Maternal Deaths Roe V Wade had

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1433765

    Roe V Wade has brought down the Maternal death rate significantly.
     
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    glad it was shot down, now time for congress to get on to something important....
     
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    Yes as life is not important
     
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    That wasn't my question.
     
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    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh? I thought when you said 'how does that compare to this number' you meant actual numbers. Or did you just mean my emotional reaction to 58 million abortions since 1973?

    I'm torn.

    Part of me believes that each life is a wonderous beauty. I love my kid (and the one on the way) more then life itself.

    But on the other hand, I can empathize with people who feel trapped and see no way out. Caring for a kid is way beyond anything else in this world/life, and not everyone can handle it (as evidenced by some who didn't abort and have basically failed as parents)

    In the end, I believe that the choice is on the parents and only the parents, and everyone else should butt out and leave the judgement to God.
     
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    How is calling a human fetus a fetus dehumanizing it? Is calling a teenager a teenager dehumanizing?? Is calling your toddler a toddler dehumanizing?

    I "seem" to think THEY'RE( they are) a clump of cells? WHERE did I say that ?

    And your total disrespect and disregard for what the Jews, actual thinking feeling people, went through is noted. Comparing them to a fetus that can't even think is disgusting!
     
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    I just gave you an example.

    If you think their human life how can you simply destroy them

    What are you on about? There are few here who defend Jews and Israel more than I
     
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    only a potential mother can choose to risk her life giving birth to a potential child....
     
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    75% of abortions are for conveyance not that the mothers life is endanger. More like i dont want stretch marks for instance or Im not ready. Well you should have thought of that before having unprotected sex
     
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    giving birth is a always a risk.... many die or have health issues, even losing limbs or having mental issues from giving birth

    only the potential mother can decide to take that risk

    most abortions are natural miscarriages, only a fraction are medically induced, many women have had abortions and do not even know it
    .
     
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    Just making up stats now?
     
  22. FoxHastings

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    :) Yuppers!


    As USUAL, when it comes down to the nitty gritty it is ALWAYS about punishing women for having sex.....


    Don't feel bad...it happens sooner or later to ALL Anti-Choicers :)
     
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    Oh yeah I always make everything up

     
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    I don't see "stretch marks"

    Are you suggesting being unable to afford a kid is just a minor inconvenience??
     
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    I was doing that to be a bit over the top as the Brits say. It was to make an emphasis not to be taken so seriously
     

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