NDE message that God's has many plans for the Gay Community???

Good point.........… it could turn out that you might be correct.... but it is interesting that what was shown to former atheist Howard Storm is one of the clearest explanations for what Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is planning to do over the next two or three centuries that I have ever read...…


http://www.near-death.com/storm.html#a04

It is sad how many Christians don't seem to understand that God is not planning on destroying the entire earth at the Second Coming of Messiah??! The NDE of Howard Storm is useful to help people to look at certain scriptures differently than they have been taught.


http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Isa&c=11&v=9&t=KJV#s=690009


Isaiah 11:9


"They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. "

As I researched these near death experience accounts I even began to wonder if Matthew chapter 4 took place largely in the out of the body state......… seeing all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time is exactly the type of thing that people report during a near death experience or out of the body experience.



Matthew 4:5


"Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, "
Matthew 4:8


"Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; "

Both of these events sure sound like an out of body experience. Fasting can induce an out of the body experience.... or even a full fledged near death experience.

A powerful case can be presented that the Prophet Elisha could control the out of the body state.


2Kings 6:12


"And one of his servants said, None, my lord, O king: but Elisha, the prophet that is in Israel, telleth the king of Israel the words that thou speakest in thy bedchamber. "

 

if it's my words, then it's very possible that I am wrong! We sometimes want to believe we CAN'T BE. But if what ANYONE is speaking comes directly from Jehovah's HS. than those are his words, and the truth is being said ,(Jer. 1:9 Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth). At Isa. 11:6-9 ,Jehovah God is referring to when he redo this wicked system. Those who did harm to the earth,(people), in every sort of way, WILL be destroyed. Those who REFUSE, to learn his word and do his will, (Matt. 7:21), WILL be destroyed. And the world will be like he originally had plan, having TRUE KNOWLEDGE of him. Because right now, MANY don't ,(Rom. 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge).There WILL BE PEACE ON EARTH, AND everyone including animals will live together, Jehovah words say so.

Again, just because something seem right, doesn't make it so. Satan can and does play a big part in our lives, if we're not careful. Even if we REFUSE to believe this! And he does it through lies and trickery, (Ephe.6:11). This is why we MUST get to know Jesus AS WELL as his Father ,(John17:3). So that we WILL KNOW satan's every trick ,(1Cor.2:11 Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices). Again, there's NO scripture that shows ANY of Jesus followers said they actually was in Heaven. Because once they learn the truth, so that they may speak it. They would understand this WILL NOT happen. Satan can make us believe one thing, ("there's no GOD"). Then later make something happen to us to say there IS a God. What we have to watch out for, is what belief do we have to believe there's one?

Someone said they had died and went to Heaven. They wasn't ready and told God this, so he sent him back. Now come on!, do we really believe we can tell God what we don't want?! If it's NOT in accordance to his will? Sadly that person REALLY believe this happen. What's even sadder, it was satan's little trick. And believing this, can cost us our lives. As for Matt. 4:5 and 8, are you sure you understand what's happening here? You say it "sounds like", but did it say that? Here Jesus is being tempted by satan, Jesus is weak and hungry, This is ALWAYS the time satan attacks! Satan again has power Jehovah ALLOWED him to have for a minute. Again we have to understand the key words here. First “pinnacle” this mean like the highest point of something like a building mountain etc. then scripture said “of the temple”, this usually mean a place of worship or a Holy place. Satan wanted Jesus to throw his self down from this high place so that GOD would send his Angel to catch Jesus before he fell to his death. If he were actually in Heaven, could he have fallen to his death from there?

Satan KNEW if Jesus did as HE TOLD him to do, that would mean he,(Jesus), went against God. which in turn, would mean Jesus couldn't save the lives of humans. So there was NO OFB experience happening here. And again, I'm sorry but you got it wrong. Concerning Elisha, had NOTHING to do with any ofb experiences. it's basically speaking of the king of Syria waging war against the king of Israel. God had Elisha sent someone to tell the king NOT to go by a certain place because the Syrians would be there. They were basically sending messages back and forward. The Syrian king got mad, because his plans were stopped. He thought there was a traitor amongst him. Elisha knew to warn the king, NOT because he had an OFB experience, and he was there HEARING the Syrian kings plan. It was because Jehovah SEES ALL, And the Israel king was his servant, who he was protecting. he let Elisha KNOW their king's life was in danger. So that Elisha could take it back to his king. peace

 

JoJo50..... your response is very similar to what I might have written back in 1988 if I had gotten the same questions.

It is interesting that King Solomon referred to a silver cord being broken..... because when I first began to research NDE accounts back in 1990 I ran into several accounts where people saw their consciousness connected to their bodies by a silver cord.

The silver cord was either attached to the head..... or solar plexus.... in the people who I read about who saw that.


Ecclesiastes 12:6


"Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."

 

lol you just won't let the OFB experience go huh?, as I said before, satan wants humans to believe MANY things spiritually that ISN'T true. He KNOWS this could mean our life. Jehovah God never made it where someone could leave their body then come back. It doesn't matter how many say this happened to them. I believe , THEY believe what they witness is true. But I KNOW it isn't, Because I know satan's little tricks. MANY have said they've seen their dead love one. They will refuse to believe it was a demon pretending to be. Why not?, because they KNOW what they have SEEN! Does it mean it really was because they have seen it, NO. it meant satan played a nasty trick on them, in order for them to believe the living can communicate with the dead. Satan as I’ve said can make us see WHATEVER he WANTS us to see. In order to get us to NOT believe the truth.

Do you think it's hard for satan to show us visions of Heaven when we're basically on our death bed?, He can do it even if we're just sleeping! It's NOT hard for satan to even make us believe we were touched. Because he can place a mark upon our body, which would PROVE one really did experience something. Though people who believe they actually left their bodies and seen this “silver cord”. Believing it is connected from their physical body to their spirit body, I think! However the case may be, it's wrong and not true. You post the words “silver cord” from Eccle. 12:6, but the whole verse showed it had NOTHING to do with again, an OFB experience. It's referring to one's spinal cord, One can die because they wouldn't be able to breath. Satan can ALSO take a word or words from the bible and run wild with it. peace

 

NDEs will certainly be the catalyst for change when it comes to religion, for like what helped to create the ancient religions, an experience in human consciousness was involved initially in probably most of the world's religions. Then the thinking brain corrupted the "thinking" about these different realms of human consciousness and a particular philosophy dominated the others, and orthodox Christianity was one of the results of that, with its legalistic tenets, it's permanent and suffering Hell, and what was a religion of Love, became a religion of hate and human judgment towards other that didn't share you beliefs.

What most of these NDEs have in common is the role of love, and how important it is. And Christ himself stated that the greatest commandment is to love one another, but one doesn't sense that in the judgmental so prolific in Christianity and islam.

A religion that bases itself upon NDEs would be a very civilizing religion, and would create a much better society than the existing old religions have created. And a religion based upon conscious experience, where that reality is so much more vivid and alive than our everyday consciousness, and so much more deeper, emphasizing the epic importance of this thing called love, compassion, empathy, a non selfishness, which would negate the various political and economic ideologies is what this world needs. And without it, we will indeed destroy ourselves if left to the way we have done things thus far.

There are dogmatic orthodox Christians who will not believe these visions of heaven and reality, for it contradicts the beliefs given to them by others. And these Christians demand that sinners be burned forever and ever in a hell, without a second chance. But what these NDEs tell us is that everyone goes to heaven at the end, and that we journey through countless lifetimes in order to learn something important. Many Christians will therefore call these NDEs a product of satan who is trying to deceive people, so that they will not believe in that brutal god that Christians believe in. And you will only convince these people to change their entrenched beliefs by an NDE experience. Those NDEs are much more powerful than a dogmatic religion pulled from some book.

 

Beautifully and accurately stated One Mind!

I got a rather brilliant question in another discussion yesterday and I am wondering how you would answer. The best that I could come up with was how the concept of reincarnation was edited out of Christianity.

http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-lesbian-rights/380595-g-ds-agenda-gay-community.html

G-d's Agenda for the Gay Community?!
#4...

 

I agree.... and I am hopeful that the campaign for the office of President by a near death experiencer will help to reform the G. O. P.

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...mpaign-gains-momentum-g-o-p-can-reformed.html

If Dannion Brinkley's campaign gains momentum.... the G.O.P. can be reformed!



In my opinion...… The Democrats and G. O. P. are too divided......… if they can find more common ground to cooperate on...… they would become somewhat more polite to each other...… and the stage would be set for significant progress.

There is a near death experiencer who is willing to campaign for the office of POTUS and if his campaign gains momentum...… and if his desire to team up with Donald Trump comes to pass........... the most bigoted members of the G. O. P. could well confront information that will transform how they view the LGBT community???!

........
Because Dannion is himself a near death experiencer he can immediately understand the deep wisdom in the following statements by another near death experiencer. These few paragraphs have the potential to reform the most bigoted of G. O. P. voters....... which will greatly decrease the animosity that many Republicans and Democrats have for each other.


http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a11

What about sexually diverse people?

 

I do believe in many of the NDE stories I hear. However, there are some I don't believe.
I am all for gay rights and gay marriage if that's what people want to do. However, homosexuality causes some real world issues that harms all parties involved.
Now, a person isn't saved based on what they do. They can be gay and still to heaven! However, homosexuality, like I mentioned earlier, leads to problems in this life.

1) No biological children. Some don't see this as an issue and say they can easily adopt. However, if an entire society is homosexual, their population dwindles.

2) Homosexuals, on average, are just not happy overall. Many have a difficult time understanding who exactly they are or even face social rejection, and this leads to deeper forms of depression (http://depression.about.com/b/2008/09/23/homosexuality-strongly-linked-to-depression-and-suicide.htm). This ultimately leads to the high suicide rates among the gay community; especially among the youth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth).

3) Like I mentioned, many homosexuals have identity problems. Among the transgendered community, the suicide rates are even higher (http://www.vocativ.com/culture/lgbt/transgender-suicide/).

4) Diseases tend to spread much more rampantly among the LGBT community. So much so that its become a really serious problem. It isn't just limited to mental instability (which is a disease in an of itself) (http://psychcentral.com/lib/higher-risk-of-mental-health-problems-for-homosexuals/), but it also includes other forms of diseases, including deadly STDs. The AIDS contraction rate is 50 times higher among homosexual men (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a...-in-homosexual-men-center-for-disease-control).

The lifestyle itself leads to some serious health risks that appear to show due to the habits of the lifestyle. A good example would be promiscuity. A large majority of homosexual couples feature partners that have sex outside of the relationship 1 year in. This, of course, leads to the spread of diseases and other health risks.

I mean, the number of healthrisks involved are staggering:

Source: http://www.battlefortruth.org/ArticlesDetail.asp?id=235

The bible speaks about this same very thing.
1 Corinthians 6:18 (NLT) says, "Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body."

So, that NDE guy you quoted is wrong based upon what the bible teaches and what statistics tell us. Of course God would care about those who engage in homosexuality. They're hurting themselves.
However, if that's what they want to do, I certainly won't condemn them for it.

 

Thank you Qchan… you have raised some serious concerns that do need to be addressed.

For starters.... is there even one perfect person in the Bride of Messiah/ the church....... at this time?

No....... so whatever type of sin it is that each and every one of us has gotten into..... does Messiah Yeshua - Jesus have a plan to lead us up and out of that sin........... and use our experience to benefit others who have a similar struggle?

Yes......… the Apostle Paul for example....... in his preconversion days..... had some behavior patterns that would remind us of ISIS......…


Act 26:11..."And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities. "

Did Paul/ Rav Shaul in his pre-conversion days compel Messianic Jews to blaspheme.... by tickling their toes with feathers? I don't think so.........… Before his conversion Paul had a very high level of pride and confidence in all that he was doing......… but after his conversion he became one of the most humble people to live during these last two millennia.

 

Near death experiencer Christian Andreason could not understand the role of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus UNTIL his experience...… do you see any flaws in the way he explains this?


http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a08
What were you shown about Christ, as being the Son of God?

 

I just don't believe the guy is truthful.
He's saying that his experience taught him that homosexuality and the love associated to it is fine, and can lead up to a happy life - yet, facts and the bible say differently. Why is it that homosexuals are anywhere from 2x to 4x as likely as hetereosexuals to contract deadly diseases? Why are homosexual relationships 2x as likely as hetereoseuxals to exhibit abuse? Why are homosexuals 2x to 4x as likely to commit suicide than hetereosexuals? These are statistical facts and they're staggering.

As I said before, homosexuality doesn't prevent one from going to heaven, and if that's the lifestyle some people wish to choose, then I vehemently believe their rights should be protected and they should be allowed to marry. However, homosexuality does have its real life risks, and they come at a heavy toll.
This guy's supposed "NDE" contradicts facts and the bible. I wouldn't believe a single thing he'd have to say. Period.

 

Actually....... what he wrote was that G-d has an phenomenal plan that is being worked out through the LGBT community..... which is significantly different from what you just wrote!

I suspect that he might well agree with what you just wrote....... but it is not the same as what I quoted in post #1.

There are several words that end up translated as "sin" and one of them means "to miss the mark".... much like you take your bow and arrow.... shoot at the bullseye.... but you are off by several inches. He was shown that a heterosexual couple can also get themselves enslaved to lust........ so lust seems to be what he was shown was the real problem.

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a11

How would you answer this poll?

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/gods-many-plans-for-the-gay-community.7728763/page-10


Do you agree that God has plans for the Gay community?

* Yes, God owns this studio, we are the actors playing out our role!
10 vote(s) 26.3%

No, God would never compromise one millionth of an inch with sin!!!!
11 vote(s) 28.9%

* Yes, deep down we all love God and He has good planned for all of us.
15 vote(s) 39.5%

I have really never considered this idea before???
8 vote(s) 21.1%

 

This is what I read:

You also must understand that half of all homosexuals are atheists (http://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-correlation-between-homosexuality-and-atheism). If God does have a plan for them specifically, it may be for their good in the long run, but initially, I don't think they'll like it. :/

 

Hopefully, if there is such a plan, the plan involves acceptance for them and enlightenment for those who have persecuted them and continue to persecute them. It isn't just suicide and mental trauma rates that are high, but take a look at the rates of gay teens driven into homelessness as well. All of the supposed "harm caused" by homosexuality is harm caused by lack of education and lack of compassion. I don't believe in God myself, but if he exists, I hope his plan involves changing that. I don't know why he would wait so long to take action -- especially since it implies that he sees individuals as a means to an end rather than an end unto themselves -- but this isn't the only case where such a hypothetical God has delayed his actions for the sake of progressive revelation.

 

One important part of the formula is that the Creator...… seems to have invested eternity in the past...… designing each and every one of us.

There is powerful evidence that the powerful spiritual being that incarnated into our human body....… discussed the many plans for each of our lives.... with the Ancient of Days the Father and the Holy Spirit (perhaps G-d the Mother) and with our guides even before we were born.

Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown that only the most courageous and philosophically advanced angels/ spiritual beings will volunteer to become a child destined to be physically or mentally handicapped....... and also....... only a very courageous angel-spiritual being would volunteer to become a child destined to be homosexual...… due to the hatred that members of the LGBT community faces at this time.

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...most-emotional-being-universe-multiverse.html


Could God the Father be the most emotional being in the universe/ multiverse?



Which type of project will you tend to get more involve in?

A job that you invested fifty hours of your time in over one month or a labour of love where you exerted a great deal of effort for 50,000 hours over forty years?

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a05

 

Very true...................... no team of parents is perfect....... but a stable long term Gay couple could well give a good and stable and supportive home to a child who would be unlikely to find adoptive heterosexual parents who attend church every time the door is open.


http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=428724&page=3&p=1065488068#post1065488068

Ban Intra-cardiac Potassium Chloride Injections on Singletons.

 

Certainly. There are far worse qualities that parents can, and often do, have.

 

Durandal......… I get something like reality films in my head........I often have one when I just wake up................ Sometimes I get them in something like a daydream....... I saw one where a number of Gay couples enticed dozens and even hundreds of church going heterosexual couples into adopting kids that they ordinarily would NOT have adopted....... but there was a reality film being shot in which an expectant mom was deciding on whether or not to have an abortion or....... to adopt her baby out to a number of couples that were making her an offer......…

There was a male Gay couple there........ in the film in my head....... and they gave the mom an offer that she was seriously considering....... They were willing to sign an agreement that would give her generous visitation rights ..............Pretty much all the church going heterosexual couples...… viewed the mother as competition.... but the male Gay couple viewed mom....... as a feminine presence and role model in the life of the child...… and did not view her as somebody to be gotten out of the picture altogether!?

In that little film I saw this Gay couple making offer after offer to expectant moms who were considering having an abortion......… or agreeing to an adoption......… The fact that the whole thing was filmed drew attention to the mom's situation and prospective adoptive parents were coming out of the woodwork from all angles............. partly to compete with the Gay couples that were there in the reality film series?!

The heterosexual couples may have been a bit self righteous and may have felt somewhat superior to the Gay couples in the reality film series........... but at least they were also making an offer to the mom...… and the bottom life could be an adoption rather than an abortion?!

 

So, if I understand correctly, you're saying you've imagined a reality show that would basically encourage homophobic conservative couples to adopt kids because they're afraid of the alternative (gay couples getting them)? The part I'm least sure about so far is why these conservatives are suddenly clamoring to adopt.

In any case, I don't know about subjecting more children than absolutely necessary to adoptive conservative households and upbringings

 

Yes....... but the primary point is an expansion of range of choice for the mother.

The lack of couples available to become adoptive parents is said to be far worse of a problem than we tend to imagine, (here in Canada anyway).



http://www.contextwithlornadueck.com/episodes/the-right-to-a-home---the-story-of-vicki-mansell

The Right to a Home - The Story of Vicki Mansell

This is an obvious problem and a leading factor as to why so many expectant mothers decide on having an abortion rather than giving their child up for adoption.


One important part of all this is that a significant percentage of mom's may well decide to agree to adopt their child out to the couple who give her the strongest guarantee that in the future she will be able to visit her child regularly.

From the point of view of the foetus, being adopted by virtually any kind of parents, even really conservative ones, is better than receiving a shot of potassium chloride into your heart so that the doctor doesn't face the embarrassment of a baby surviving the abortion.


http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-l...tion-gay-community-can-prevent-abortions.html

Adoption by Gay community can prevent abortions.



Near death experiencer Christian Andreason was shown that the Ancient of Days the Father and the Ancient of Days the Mother (The Holy Spirit) have plans for the LGBT community.

Many long term stable Gay couples could inspire dozens of heterosexual couples to be willing to become adoptive parents in the near future when Gay couples are more free to adopt a child.

.........…
http://www.politicalforum.com/abort...potassium-chloride-injections-singletons.html


Ban Intra-cardiac Potassium Chloride Injections on Singletons.

 

I read a book back in the '80's, "How To Really Love Your Child" by Dr. Ross Campbell.

Dr. Campbell stated that there were three things that if parents did........ then the kids would know that they were truly loved.

1. Focused Attention
2. Eye Contact
3. Physical Contact.

If kids are not given these three things......… they tend to believe that they are unloved....... and some pretty serious psychological problems can be the result.

I suspect that many Gay couples tend to know about this type of research and would be going all out to try to give their adoptive children the care that perhaps they did not receive.

 

I just noticed that this thread has already gotten over 8000 views!

Seriously cool!

I love how near death experiencer Christian Andreason was shown......... that the real problem was lust........... not which sex we lusted after!

That made sense...... because we guys tend to want to enslave women in some way or enother..... due to our lust........... So.... even the LGBT community can fall into that trap as well.....

 

Well said... and by a young man only about 25 -27 years of age no less!

 

Very good answer Gemini_Fyre.

You are pretty close to what I feel is implied by what the being of light of NDE fame
showed to Christian Andreason.

My guess at this time is that the being of light of NDE fame is Messiah Yeshua - Jesus
keeping his promise to, in the future, speak plainly of the Father......... and that "all judgment
is committed to the Son."

 

Did you know that a certain percentage of the LGBT community actually voted for President Donald Trump?

http://gaysfortrump.org/

https://www.facebook.com/LGBTrump
LGBTrump - Gays for Trump


In my opinion, Mr. Peter Boykin, one of the
most prolific writers in this movement is all set up
to play an extremely important role between now and the year 2020.