NRA, Repubs block new law to stop suspected terrorists from buying guns

From what liberals are saying we have nothing to worry about. Only 3 year old orphans and widow are coming in and your just being paranoid.

 

Yes, and thank goodness. I will take that over your love of jackboot authority any day.

 

He used his mothers guns..

Facts > agenda... Try it sometime.

 

And a buddy of mine so now a sexually predator because he took a (*)(*)(*)(*) on a golf course near a school. That doesn't make him a child molester.

So what? I could be on a no fly list for just about anything the government decides to say.

 

I don't know how either process works so I can't answer your question.

I think you bring up valid points to be honest.

But taking the watch list at face value and assuming that at least in general, it's being used to flag people who pose a serious risk to security, not letting them on a plane but still letting them buy guns is silly.

But my comment was about half in jest anyway.

 

Without a reference to the legislation itself, it is impossible to intelligently comment on the issue.

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Tell us: Is this an argument from ignorance or dishonesty?

 

If that were true. there'd be virtually no gun control in the US, and certainly no push for more.

 

So "liberals" (who aren't really liberal, just authoritarian) now believe that anyone who is suspected of possibly being something by a government bureaucrat must therefore be guilty and should be prevented from exercising their rights?

How does it make you feel to know that you are a totalitarian at heart?

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So, what we know about those who claim to be "compassionate" liberals: they believe that if a government bureaucrat says someone is, possibly, just maybe, a terrorist, that person must be a terrorist. Guilty before proven innocent is the new liberal mantra, if it supports their agenda.

What's sad about that is it furthers blurs the lines between conservatives and liberals as you people who claim to be liberal and compassionate become more authoritarian and less interested in actual justice.

 

Conservatives are funny. They think that no fly lists not being perfect, they definitely should not be used to bar people from buying guns lest someone have to go through the degrading process of proving that they are legit.... but have no problem purging 60,000 people from a voting list figuring that all the false positives can just do the legwork to show that they are legit. No biggie.

 

On the other end, Democrats block the Reps attempts at stopping terrorists from coming to the country to use those same guns. (and bombs)

 

Jeebus, man. Could you find a more biased "article" on the subject? I found one little paragraph that offers anything of substance:

The NRA did not respond to a Tuesday request for comment, but opposed the 2009 version of the proposed law on grounds that law-abiding Americans wrongly placed on the list would lose their Second Amendment rights.

I was guessing from the outset that the reason was going to be something like this --- they clearly feel that the law is too restrictive, too broad in its scope. I knew it was going to be related to how the bill was worded or what all was included in it.

The appeal to emotion at the end (the whole thing is an appeal to emotion, but bear with me) about the Newtown parents' "tearful gun control appeals" is especially out of place, considering that it wasn't a terrorist on any watch list who killed their children.

 

One word. Freedom. You will not take mine to stop someone else from doing bad.
I will fight them face to face if need be, but you will not take my freedom.

 

Conservatives are UNBELIEVABLE. They will agree with and defend ANYTHING the NRA says. Never in my life have I EVER seen people so TOTALLY pwned by an organization. It truly boggles the mind how effective their propaganda is with some people

I guess when you're pushing pure insanity all the time a little more comes easy, that's all I can figure.

 

The terrorists in France were using full auto AK-47s, not semi-auto ones like we are allowed to have in the U.S. They aren't going to go to a gun store to buy guns.

 

Well, I have researched it. The answer is "it's classified." As another poster wrote, it took the late Ted Kennedy (senior Senator from MA at the time) three weeks to get off the watch list. What chance does a regular citizen have? Personally, I'm against the watch list for any reason other than entering the country. It's basically against our principles of freedom and liberty and due process.

 

Liberals are UNBELIEVABLE. They will agree with and defend ANYTHING the WH/CNN/NBC says. Never in my life have I EVER seen people so TOTALLY pwned by an organization(s). It truly boggles the mind how effective their propaganda is with some people

I guess when you're pushing pure insanity all the time a little more comes easy, that's all I can figure

 

Why do you hate due process?

 

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7th Circuit Court: Illegal Immigrants Have Second Amendment Rights Too - This also means it's Constitutionally permissible for legal immigrants to buy and own weapons.

 

You should read what you post.

 

...and since you gun grabber types think all gun owners are terrorists, sounds more like a scam to eliminate gun owners their constitutional rights by simply placing them on a list, that not everybody is privy too.

What part of shall not be infringed, don't you understand?

 

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I did and I think you have a problem. I picked out a few pro-gun sites and they'll explain it to you...I hope.

a) Illegal Aliens Have Second Amendment Rights, Says 7th Circuit Court of Appeals -- The ONLY restriction is that people with an "interest in eluding law enforcement" might not.

b) Illegal Immigrants Have a 2nd Amendment Right Court Finds

c) Court Rules Illegal Immigrants Get 2nd Amendment Rights
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How do you prove you should not be on the the no fly list?

I'm going to guess you just make things up...

 

Terrorists will have access to whatever they want. The black market will always provide whatever they want, and terrorists always seem to be well-funded. France's tough gun laws only served to ensure that none of the innocent victims were able to protect themselves. Gun laws are simply not going to stop terrorists. They will be well-armed regardless.

Needless to say, the gun-grabbers all seem to be the same clowns who see no need to secure our borders. Even if the world's strictest gun laws were put into place here, the amount of contraband that gets into this country on a daily basis due to our porous borders ensures that bringing in firearms would be a trivial matter.

 

The 7th Circuit judgement was not in favor of Rodriquez appeal to dismiss. It upheld 18 U.S.C § 922(g)(5) which forbids illegal immigrants owning guns.

http://media.ca7.uscourts.gov/cgi-b...-20/C:14-3271:J:Wood:aut:T:fnOp:N:1608386:S:0

 

Funny to hear the protests from the side that wants to just let them waltz in without adequate security screening. As if they would buy their guns legally anyway.