9/11: What really happened on that day? >>MOD WARNING<<

And you are unable to prove the official story. Welcome to life!

 

It has been proven it is you and the other twoofers unable to offer proof

 

It has been "proved" only in the minds of the incurious and the gullible. It has been "proved" by government press releases, and in the real world that is no proof at all. The government reputation for mendacity is well known.

 

WSrong it has been proven with evidence something which you have never provided or offered

 

I don't have to as it doesn't exist. There is an accepted version supported by independent faculties and governments around the globe. Welcome to life!

Then there are the crazy stories told by insignificant CTists on insignificant message boards around the globe promoting nukes, no-planes, thermite cutters and other nonsensical stories that are only supported by the ignorant, the uneducated, the paranoid and the downright mentally unstable.

I'll go with the universities on this one if it's all the same to you.

 

Perhaps you've been sleeping for the last decade or so, and while you were the government reluctantly formed what was called the 911 Commission. Some call it the Kean Commission, and others call it the Zelikow Commission.

But let's use 911 Commission, whose findings were released in book form.

THAT is the official story. While you were sleeping it has been thoroughly advanced by the mainstream media, frequently alluded to by many politicians, and is celebrated every year on the anniversary.

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You need to familiarize yourself with it as well.

You have never read or addressed it.

You consistently say it is wrong without a shred of proof or even a reference to it

 

That's not true. For a number of years I believed the official story about what happened. I actually defended the story among friends and on the internet, but then somebody informed me about Building 7, and I realized how wrong I had been and how wrong the official story is.

 

I wish I knew what really happened before (as related to 9/11), on and following 9/11. What I do know for a fact is that everything the US government told us about 9/11 is a lie just like everything the US government tells us about everything important. The 9/11 Commission Report and all the NIST reports were meant to cover-up the real criminals. What is fact is that a terrorist massacre took place on 9/11, thousands were murdered, thousands more were injured, many more died in the aftermath, there was a lot of destruction in lower Manhattan and at the Pentagon, the US government began an illegal and endless war under pretext of 9/11, hundreds of thousands of innocent people were murdered, some were renditioned, tortured (some to death), mutilated, raped and detained indefinitely absent any due process. And all that bloodbath and mayhem continues to this day with no end in sight. In comparison, it makes those alleged "terrorists" the US government claims are responsible for 9/11 look like schoolyard bullies.

 

Thread is too old ... (if someone opens a new one I would jump in).
What do you think?

 

I'm new to this forum so no thread is too old for me. I would say that's also true for other new members. IMO it is critical that everyone knows what actually happened on 9/11. The US government is obviously hiding the truth and hiding a lot of it. The 9/11 Commission claims:

http://www.archives.gov/research/9-11/

That's an awful lot of hidden material. We know that there are 28 fully redacted pages (not just individual names or places but completely blank pages) from the 9/11 Commission Report that the last 2 administrations have refused to make publicly available despite many calls for declassification, including from the 9/11 Commission members themselves and from the former Chairman of the Senate 9/11 Committee Bob Graham, who claims there is an ongoing cover-up. We know that there are some 80,000 pages of documents that have been hidden by the FBI on 9/11 and that the FBI lied to the 9/11 Commission and Congress in claiming it had provided all information in its possession. There are also an estimated 2,000 documents/data/pieces of evidence that NIST refuses to release even under FOIA requests. What is being "classified" is a mountain of information on 9/11 that just can't be dismissed as required for national security purposes, especially given the many claims by 9/11 Commission members, who are in a position to know.

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/inve...er-up-fbi-former-senator-bob-graham/15401795/

So what really happened on 9/11 is NOT the carefully cherry picked narrative the US government wants us to believe. And even that has some very serious highly questionable issues with it, quite a bit that makes no sense. There is only one reason for a cover-up and it has nothing to do with national security, it's to protect the criminals.

 

I am a New Yorker and on that day I was at the office in Manhattan few miles away from the Twins.
it is clear that something is way, way off.

but what really amazes me is the story about Pentagon.
I watched the original hole on TV before the wall collapsed later on.

It is absurd to believe that a huge plane like flew that low and fit in there ... while the lawn is in perfect shape.

Even the hoaxters saw how absurd it was and were saying the wings folded in ... but they saw that this was even more absurd than the original fantasy and took the theory back.

Impossible.

 

I find all the major claims of the official story NOT credible, contradictory and in some cases, impossible. But interestingly, that the Pentagon was hit by a large commercial airliner is defended by some of those who find the collapse hypothesis impossible. They don't defend the official claim that Hani Hanjour piloted that plane, in fact they reject it as impossible, but they do agree via "evidence" that it was a large commercial airliner that crashed into the Pentagon. I remain highly skeptical and I want a hell of a lot more evidence, not that there is anything much I find credible. Here's the defense:

[video=youtube;E9-O6iqJnOA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9-O6iqJnOA&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

I looked into these claims a while back and a number of the witnesses were shown to be trolls.

Michael Walter who works for USA Today was the one saying later on that the wings "folded" and that's how he explained the 757 fitting into that impossibly small entry hole before the wall collapsed.
He retracted the wing folding story later on because it was just way too incredible.

The taxi driver Lloyd who claimed that the poll hit his taxi actually confessed he made it up since his wife works for FBI and he had an incentive to play a role in that.

What was amazing to me was that everyone it was 757 and nothings else ... men, women of all ages.
My goodness, it is impossible that everyday folks know an exact model of a plane - 757 Boeing.
I personally have no idea what the models are and I am an engineer.

Not a 737? someone asked ... no, definitely 757! they were all saying ... most of them worked in Pentagon, worked in newspapers, TV, ex-pilots and even Lloyd's wife worked for FBI.
CIA, FBI, Newspaper, air force and armed forced staffers.
Shills and trolls. Actors. Not all, but most.

Now, there definitely WAS a plane, but it never hit the Pentagon.
Something smaller did.
And the plane came from another direction from what the official story claimed.

Here is the video about the flight of the place and especially the way Lloyd was cornered with evidence and finally confessed off camera while the camera was running.

This video is a proof that the impossible that they want people to believe ... is indeed impossible and the official story is a lie and a setup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yinRBkGX0Bc

Thanks,
Ed

 

can you show me the eyewitness statements where they all said it was a 757? ... you're just making (*)(*)(*)(*) up ...

 

Watch your language please and see Bob's video for that.
And if you care to understand you can watch the video I posted.

 

can you point me to a time mark ... I don't have the time for yet another BS video ... I've wasted enough time already on YouTube videos with cherry picked information usually taken out of context ...

http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html

 

Here's a witness list.
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=10632

I think most people know the story about the people who saw the 757.
http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2170
https://www.google.es/?gws_rd=ssl#q=9/11+Citizen+Investigation+Team&tbm=vid


They saw it flying in the direction of the Pentagon but they didn't see it hit. It was also flying at the wrong angle. The angle at which they saw it flying was not consistent with the angle of the craft that hit the Pentagon.


In an operation this big there will be planted bogus witnesses. The mixture of witnesses who saw small and big craft is consistent with a conspiracy because there will be both real and bogus witnesses in that scenario.

 

your first link is a forum ... please quit cherry picking ...

what witnesses said it was a 757 as Edial claims? ... the vast majority of witnesses claim it was a plane, many said it looked like an American Airlines plane ... but no mention of a 757 ... are that many people really in on this conspiracy? ...

I even doubt that a taxi driver was the husband of an FBI agent ... I could be wrong but come on ...

where's that Pulitzer Scott? ... the evidence is 'crushing' right? ...

the majority of "truthers" I see here are kids like you that live in Mom's basement and play video games all day ... your profiles give you away ...

and that is what real truth is ...

 

a bunch of kids that are sucked in by youtube videos claiming to be engineers ... asking adults and real engineers to disprove theories planted in their heads by fools ... gotta love it ...

 

As opposed to "adults" who are perpetually sucked in by a government that lies all the time? An authority that uses its status as an authority with an objective to plant false information/propaganda into the heads of the foolish and gullible public to get them to support its agenda?

 

Look at your own long list of witnesses you posted ...
About everyone has to do something with air force, military, TV reporter, newspaper reporter, pilot, ex-pilot, police dept ...

 

and yet none of them described a 757 like you said ... hmmm ...

 

what agenda would that be Bob? ... if you are so above all the sheeple, why haven't you written a book? ... where's that Pulitzer Prize Bob? ... it's been over 14 years Bob ... surely you enlightened ones could blow this wide open ... where is that definitive YouTube video Bob? ... the American public is waiting Bob ...

 

You can look at the 15 minutes or around it for witnesses.
And Lloyd's wife is not an FBI agent, she works for FBI as said so by Lloyd.
And then Lloyd confesses (off camera that was taken on camera) that this was a setup.

There was a large plane going towards Pentagon coming from another angle that the official story claims.
Once there is an explosion the plane flies over the Pentagon and goes away.

757 cannot fit into the original entry hole of Pentagon.

NO.

Also, please stop calling people names or putting them down.
I will report you.

Thanks,
Ed