Question for those wo seek to ban 'assault weapons'...

No, but it would have the same effect as locks..They are only meant to keep honest people...honest. If someone wants in..they are getting in, but they have detoured a lot of innocent people from becoming criminals. same could be said about "assault weapon" reforms, laws or heavy incentives, Monetary or confining.

A cereal criminal typically gets put in jail before his first massacre.
The lawful crazy's are what i think is the problem..It is too easy access, for there "off" day (day the cheese slips off the cracker) to just...have at it.

 

For no sound reason.
Disagree?
Where would you draw that line? Provide a sound argument to that effect.

 

According to the court, the 2nd protects weapons that citizens capable of military service might bring with them for militia duty.
How does this logically exclude 'assault weapons'?

According to the court,. the 2nd protects weapons that weapons are "in common use" for traditionally legal purposes
How does this logically exclude 'assault weapons'?

According to the court,. the 2nd does NOT protect weapons that are "dangerous and unusual"
How does this logically include 'assault weapons'?

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Have you read any of your own posts?

 

Where the line is drawn for hunting rifles in my state. 4 round magazine clip max, semiautomatic.
No need for 30 round clips fully automatic.
Even in the army when we were on automatic it was to be 3 round bursts. Else one loses control. So no civilian need for automatics.

 

Mmmk....
Provide a sound argument for that limit.
While doing so, explain how this bans 'assault weapons'.

 

I draw that lint at MY rights being infringed because someone ELSE might commit a crime.

 

Good. We all have our opinions and lines.

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Don't know if it does or does not. I don't get into this gun ban issue very much.
What is or is not an 'assault weapon'. I just see no need for anyone to have 30 round clip, fully automatic weapons. Can't do anything with them.

 

firstly it is BEAR arms not bare arms and secondly

Ever seen the gun death rate in Japan?? USA should be so lucky................

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Good - now try driving in excess of speed limits, using hate speech, taking explosives onto school grounds - What? Are those not "rights"????

 

So... you don't really have a sound argument for your position - its an arbitrary line based on what you think people need.
Gotcha. Thanks.

 

Partially correct. I don't have a sound position.
So with no sound position, I don't have a sound argument, for or against.

 

You caught my spelling error Whoopty Doo. I took Japan as an example. I could have easily referred to the British gun laws where their total ban has increased the number of gun incidences gun crimes. Then again there's Australia that has suffered the same with higher incidence of gun crimes. France is another example where tight gun laws led to the murder of hundreds of people because they had no way to protect themselves. It seems that Austria, Holland and Germany got the message. Gun sales have soared, in fact they ran out of guns to sell, I understand that the people of Hungary are also seeking firearms.

Austria: Gun stores are sold out of long guns as citizens ...
http://investmentwatchblog.com/aust...hemselves-against-hordes-of-violent-migrants/
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Germans Arming Themselves After Terrorist Attacks And ...
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... Themselves After Terrorist Attacks ... Attacks And Migrant Spike. Germans clamor for pepper spray amid terror fears; Germans Move to Arm Themselves in Wake of ...

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Europeans Scramble For Guns Amid Islamic Immigrant ...
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Germans Stock Up on Weapons for Self-Defense
www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7088/germany-weapons
Dec 21, 2015 - The scramble to acquire weapons comes amid an indisputable ... to argue that the German citizenry's sudden interest in self-defense ... All across Germany, a country with some of the most stringent gun-control laws in Europe ... including women of all ages and men who are buying weapons for their wives.

 

I may be mistaken but that M1 sure looks like an M-14 to me.

 

Quote my whole statement pertaining next time please.

Yes In common use...In what purpose is an M16 in common use? Civilian, Military, or Commercial?

In responce to
"I think the line should start with Civilian, Military and Commercial.
Is it Dangerous and unusual for a Civilian to go hunting, with a Fully automatic pistol with X= excessive rounds, or with a legal carry permit to walk through Mall of America, with an m16, or an AK, fully loaded. Perhaps some body armor for protection, can never be too fearful?
Is it Dangerous and unusual for there to be a Master at arms standing guard at a Military instillation underarmed?
Is it Dangerous and unusual what goes on at Lockheed martin, with a few outpost right here in the Dc area?

No..you didn't clear anything up.

If Lockheed and martin can have it why cant I?
I Obey the law...till i have the means not to... "

Logically?..the happenings of recent events and the mind frame of spoiled kids.

 

Wow so much right wing rant so little truth................

 

Australia's own gun problem is growing

 

There was no need, as your opinion of what people may "need" is not in any way relevant to what the Constitution covers.

Now then, please answer the questions, as they relate to established jurisprudence on the issue:

According to the court, the 2nd protects weapons that citizens capable of military service might bring with them for militia duty.
How does this logically exclude 'assault weapons'?

According to the court,. the 2nd protects weapons that weapons are "in common use" for traditionally legal purposes
How does this logically exclude 'assault weapons'?

According to the court,. the 2nd does NOT protect weapons that are "dangerous and unusual"
How does this logically include 'assault weapons'?

 

a real assault rifle can be fully automatic.

 

That is easy.

For purpose of Law most with those types of weapons are not capable, or willing of joining military service (due to physical fitness, or age, or mental state/gender) on point 1.

Point 2 an m16 is not a common use weapon, tool, or item necessary for common use.

point 3 You the individual person is not contracted by the USA government to use such items as Lockheed Marten, Bowing, CWC etc. So no you should not be able to purchase legally the items to create those tools used for mass destruction, and only mass destruction, or mass homicide.

 

Heh..Your definition of growing, after a very large shrink over the past decade is very misleading, and may be considered a straight lie.

Anything can grow from a drop of 70% over 10 years.
::make pretend news caster voice:: "After 10 years Australia has seen a 5% growth in gun crimes..from people being caught trying to bring in weapons to cause terror! This is Quagmier Johnson from blazza blahh news reporting in!"

 

The mistake you are making is the argument is not about self defense tools..but mass murdering weapons. M16, Ak 47's an the such, fully automatic hand guns with nonsensical amount instant change rounds, being sold to any 18 or over with an instate ID.

 

Hmm..that post was off..after rereading it it made me chuckle a bit. It's too late to fix it. Some times the words just don't come out right. Oh well. Hope some of the readers hear are much more mature then I, and may have caught the train of thought I was trying ton convey.

 

And how exactly does what you add negate my original assertion of him being a bad hunter? Not only does he have a larger caliber to get the kill, but he's so bad he needs another 19 rounds to boost his ego.

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What are you even talking about? When was the last time a mass murder took place in the US where a fully automatic handgun (or rifle for that matter) was used?

 

You would have to address that to the Australian outlet that it came from.

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Never been hog hunting I take it.

 

Point 1 has to do with the suitability of the weapon for militia service, not the people that use them.
How are 'assault weapons' unsuitable for militia service?

M16? We're discussing 'assault weapons'.
According to the court,. the 2nd protects weapons that weapons are "in common use" for traditionally legal purposes
How does this logically exclude 'assault weapons'?

Point 3 has to do with the "dangerous and unusual" nature of the weapon in question, not the people that use them.
According to the court,. the 2nd does NOT protect weapons that are "dangerous and unusual"
How are 'assault weapons' both "dangerous" and "unusual"?