How could anybody defend this?

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  1. jrr777

    jrr777 Well-Known Member

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    There's some merit to some of the comments. On the whole though here is where we are - Hillary is the front-runner for the simple fact that she is the least of all evils currently in the race. Well Sanders is but he doesn't stand a chance.
     
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    12 minutes of ten second soundbites with no clear context. I am sure it has appeal to some voters who need their bias confirmed, but otherwise.....
     
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    RonnieFan Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She is definitely a ruthless crook; but she has the Left and the media in her pocket.

    BTW, great YouTube.
     
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    But to those votes who are so close minded that they cannot consider the possibility that a Democratic politician could ever do anything wrong, it is liable to be ineffective.

    I am certain that there is a fairly large middle ground here of voters who are considering voting for Clinton but are seriously concerned about her integrity.

    How do you think the video might play out for them?
     
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    Oh look, edited soundbites. :roll::roll::roll:
     
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    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are such people. There are a lot of people I know who are democrats who are not happy with their options. Most will fall in line behind whomever. I won't for Clinton period and I am a lefty.

    As for the impact on such people, I am not sure it will that effective. 12 minutes is long for the attention-span of people who would likely be swayed by all the soundbytes. In 12 minutes one should be able to make a more cerebral argument to people whose attention-span allows for them to watch the whole thing. This kind of tube really needs to be like 3 minutes tops IMO. Anything over 90 seconds is probably pushing it though.
     
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    A well worn tactic employed by the right far more than the left.

    Wait, they didn't build that!
     
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    You are in the same boat I am. I am a lefty and I won't be voting for Hillary, either. Probably because she ISN'T a lefty.
     
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    When I saw the banner, "Hillary For Prison," along with these selected, edited soundbites, I thought, "Yep, looks like the conservatives came out with more propaganda."
     
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    Did you not watch the video? How could she be the least of all evils? I can guarantee Ben Carson would follow the law. I realize Ben is down in the polls, however Hillary is the most evil and corrupt one on the stage.
    She is a power hungry b()()()(), that does not care what Bill did to her. She stuck with him only to seek power. She has gotten away with numerous crimes.
     
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    Are you ignoring the facts that was presented? She cares not what Bill did to her, simply to seek power. Her entire career is filled with allegations of criminal activity, we will never know because she was given a pass on all of them.
     
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    No, Cankle is the front runner because the Democratic Party has decided it's her turn.
     
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    You cannot fit all that she has done, in 90 seconds. I understand that they are soundbytes, however they are facts.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Soundbytes yes, facts yes.
     
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    I don't think it is trying to make a cerebral argument. It is just reciting the myriad scandals in which Ms. Clinton has been embroiled. It is telling a story from a particular point of view. People can sit still for a well told story for at least a half hour, if TV sitcoms are any indication. I think it is pretty effective.

    Hillary's supporters look like defense attorney's insisting that not all the charges have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. They suggest a theory of a "vast right wing conspiracy," trying to place a martyrs crown on her head. This might work if you had an idealistic candidate like Sanders, but not for a pragmatic politician for Hillary, I suspect.

    I also get the distinct impression the Ms. Clinton's supporters are whistling past the graveyard, putting on a brave face as the old scandals are rehashed and the new ones are exposed. But perhaps I give them too much credit to objectively assess what is going on. It is certainly a novelty for a presidential candidate to be the subject of an FBI criminal investigation. The sheer gravity of the situation ought to give them pause, but maybe it really doesn't.

    Go figure.
     
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    Like we all know, people will defend that woman no matter what. Can anyone honestly show any evidence of her being a decent honest person? There really is none.
     
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    She is way ahead for a reason - despite all you say she is by far the most popular of the Democratic candidates and by far preferred against the Republicans. Americans know there were issues with Whitewater etc. But the GOP has managed to do something they do again and again: they proffer candidates so flawed they are easily defeated by even a troubled Democrat.
     
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    Innuendo is not evidence of wrongdoing.

    In fact it is only evidence of partisan bias on the part of those pushing the red meant disinformation.

    If there was real evidence then there would be actual charges that would stand up in court.

    Oh wait!

    They tried to convict Bill on biased partisan charges and failed miserably.

    Looks to me like the second attempt is going to be just as futile.
     
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    I was asked about its effectiveness, not its completeness. Shorter is more effective. "47%" was all that was needed to torpedo Romney. There was no need to expound upon it.
     
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    The people sought to be reached won't even see these alleged facts. They will quit watching well before the 12 minute mark. There is nothing here they have not heard before. If it hasn't worked before, it won't work in montage form either.
     
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    She's been their target for about as long as I can remember, but I just don't think she's going to be liberal enough for my taste.
     
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    Sounds like a personal opinion. Which could be true. However, still just an opinion.
     
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    What are talking about propaganda. The video shows facts. Everything in the video is places Hillary has put herself in. There is no denying they are facts. The narrator might be a conservative/republican, but that does not change the facts.
     
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    As a republican I can almost agree with this. Ben Carson is the only reason I can't agree. All the other ones I do agree. It would seem that the presidential election is a celebrity contest anymore. Most people voting will vote for the popular one. They have no idea of the purposed tax plans of the candidates, foreign policy they are ignorant as well. It's a popularity contest, and it's a good thing the kardashians are not running.
     
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    I'll never vote for Hillary and I am on the left.
     

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