ONE big terror attack.......and you can wave TRUMP right into the White House!

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  1. GeddonM3

    GeddonM3 Well-Known Member

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    Oh hush, then everything that happened wrong in this country is Obama's fault ok?

    Enough, not here to discuss stupid arse conspiracy theories.
     
  2. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

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    You mean Bush? He armed the Sunni Militias as part of the Sunni Awakening and then signed the SOFA mandating our withdrawal from Iraq.
     
  3. Derideo_Te

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    If that is what is keeping your hopes afloat then sobeit.

    The rest of us normal folks will stick with reality.
     
  4. Lucifer

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    Bush! I totally agree!:smile:
     
  5. AmericanNationalist

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    The SOFA didn't mandate anything. It set a "timetable for withdrawal". The Obama Administration didn't have to follow that timetable at all. Nor did it have to negotiate with the Iraqis. As I said from the get-go: Iraq was not, and still isn't a Free State. A State is only free based on its own legitimacy and its own governmental capacity. The Bush Administration simply rubber-stamped that they were a democracy. Lol, not so Bushie boy.

    And I wasn't aware that Bush started the Arab Spring, I thought that was Obama's little pet project(as well as Hillary Clinton's). They so much as bragged about it. Thinking that everything would go as "well" as Egypt(except Egypt didn't go well, as the Muslim Brotherhood supported its brand of terrorism as it always did.)

    I know people want to say "Obama did no wrong", but his legacy reflects poorly on foreign policy. Like it, or not.
     
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    It's not my hope at all.
    Obama and his pro-Muslim DOJ is gonna put Trump in.

    That's the REALITY.
     
  7. Questerr

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    Who said anything about the Arab Spring? I would suggest educating yourself before moving forward.

    And yes, Iraq was a free country as per US government policy. I guess you would have preferred forcing the Iraqi government to accept our troops at gunpoint, which would have only resulted in the gains from the surge being completely overwritten as the Iraqis rose up en masse in violation of US ignoring their sovereignty.
     
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    Nope!

    That is a DELUSION on your part.

    Was there a massive surge towards Republicans following Boston and San Bernadino? Yes or No?

    The American people understand that it is impossible to catch every single terrorist, especially not the lone wolf types.

    The CIA and FBI are monitoring for coordinated attacks such as what happened in Paris because they are real Americans and they don't want that to happen on their watch irrespective of their political leanings.

    So while it is always a possibility that another terrorist attack will occur it won't happen the same way that it did prior to 9/11.
     
  9. El Cid

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    Time will tell.
     
  10. AmericanNationalist

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    The same Iraqis who threw down their guns at the sight of ISIS? You have much more confidence in the Iraqi state of government than is warranted. Even Al-Maliki made it clear: He wanted US troops to remain in Iraq, he just didn't have the political capital.

    "Well, Mr. Al-Maliki I'll make it very simple: We're going to remain whether the Iraqi parliament votes or not. So you can cast a symbiotic vote, there'll be public outrage but in the end, a secure Iraq will remain."

    Of course, that'd take a politician far above Obama's pay grade. So what happened, happened.
     
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    Given enough time you might even evolve to have wings and be able to fly too.

    But the actual time frame is just over 8 months so your window is closing.
     
  12. JakeJ

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    This thread has a particularly high level of lies. The OPer NEVER indicated ANY "hope" or "prayer" for another big terrorist attack.

    His logic might be inaccurate, depending how Obama replied. If he did a Bush response and ordered a large scale military attack against ANYONE for the attack Americans would be cheering him. All he would have to do is level any small city in the ME - doesn't matter where - and he'd be seen as a national hero.

    Never discount the large collection of options a President has.
     
  13. El Cid

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    Things are moving pretty fast..........and I think the pace is about to pick up. Eight months can be a lifetime.
     
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    No the Iraqis who defected to ISIS in droves. Maybe we can get a Reagan like politicians. Then he can cut and run at the first sign of difficulty like with Lebanon.
     
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    I would advise against holding your breath waiting.
     
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    Scuttlebutt is that the October surprise is likely to be that the Obama DOJ will announce that illegal aliens will be allowed to vote.
     
  17. AmericanNationalist

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    Why did they defect? We withdrew unilaterally(save for the 20,000 stationary troops that Obama's own generals told him wasn't enough.) So clearly, the unilateral withdrawal was not timed properly with Iraq's development in mind.

    Or did you think a democracy was truly established in 8 years of war?
     
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    Thinking that we could transform the Muslim animals into a functional democracy was a delusion that can hardly be surpassed.
     
  19. Questerr

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    Our withdrawal was the will of Iraq's majority. They wanted us out. Shiite and Sunni alike.

    The Sunnis defected to ISIS because Maliki's Shiite government was screwing them over.
     
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    Then maybe you shouldn't sound so excited at the possibility.
     
  21. AmericanNationalist

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    This is true, but if we were going to do it then we had to do it with the long-term in mind. Just as we successfully converted Japan and Germany.
    What Questerr is essentially saying is that we no longer have that commitment.

    If we weren't prepared to impose our will and model Iraq, not only should we NOT have invaded but Liberals should have no opposition to Protectionist policy(IE: Putting up a border.)

    Because whether Questerr likes it or not, just because we retreat doesn't mean ISIS and other terrorist organizations will simply wave "bye-bye".
     
  22. Durandal

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    Seems to me that an irrational thought process has brought us the success of Trump, not vice versa. Irrational thinking and an irrational system, because the system we have no longer leaves us any rational presidential choices. It's all a range of bad to worse.

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    I'll bet. Will it be an executive order? :D
     
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    What a great sentiment. I'd say that you are exactly the kind of supporter that Trump is building his campaign around.
     
  24. El Cid

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    I'm not excited at all about innocent people being killed and maimed by Muslims.
    That's why we have liberals and Obama.
     
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    They used the Ebola outbreak last election.

    Fear is all they have.
     

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