What are Progressive Values?

I didn't say they didn't have their uses, I just think that progress, that is making life better for more people, should be the main goal and should supersede these things. The refugees entering Europe now should be seen as resources, not liabilities.

Why ever would you have that idea? How would your life be better even 50 years ago, let alone a 100? From what you've told us of your life so far you'd most likely be dead.

The overwhelming characteristic of modernity is change and change as a positive good. The "March of History" as the great German historians called it. It cannot be denied nor should we seek to. The conservative is uncomfortable in the modern world, the progressive embraces it

 

You confuse that with technological progress. Our culture is pathetically weak and incapable of modeling its people.

The idea that we should have no culture or tradition will end in disaster.

The west will not inherit the future.

Look no further than China if you want to see the future.

 

You would have to start over with a new thread and try to discourage the trolling, and the snark from conservatives, if you want any value from this idea. That's how you get enough progressives to engage that you learn. All this presupposes you don't pretend you already know all there is to know about progressives and their values.

 

People model culture. Not the other way around. Wanting an abstract idea to control people is a strange form of authoritarianism.

Disagree Rick. China has its culture, and we will ha e ours, which is always changing. We'be been a nation for only 250 years. China has a history that has spanned millennia.

 

That's not what I meant. I'm talking about the ideas, values, traditions, and shared sense of identity that people have. I think progressives are doing their best to undermine this. It's no secret that the groups in this country that are doing the best honor their traditions. Look at Asians, Mormons, and Jews--they have much in common.

Traditions did not arbitrarily come into existence.

 

And he does

The whole point of this thread was to put Progressives on the defensive so that wing nuts could attack them.

 

It is a wide open question.
Progressive means to progress. That means many different things to many different people.
I consider myself progressive. The only constant in the world is change. We hope it's for the better.

My values, the core is, basically the golden rule. Make the world around you better by being a part of it.
Don't sweat the small stuff. If one isn't infringing upon other's rights, leave them alone.

Just a small small list.

 

Jesus was most certainly a liberal Jew. He challenged the status quo of the Jews. It is why, they brought him to trial. He was disrupting the conservative ways that the Jewish rabbis had become. That can't be denied.

 

That's not to hard to figure out. Less jobs per the population of the USA. And the fact there was no gov't dole back before then. Unless one thinks the free land grab the gov't gave to anyone heading west as long as they were 1st to make the claim.
So, most of the west land owners, got it on the dole.

 

I don't know what progressive values are, but I know they want a society as depicted in the book "1984".

 

That is a very true statement. They can only see black and white. No shades of gray.
They are clueless when it comes to the subject of progressive. For they are exactly the opposite. Opposing any change. Unless it benefits the small amount of groups they fit into. Screw the rest of the people.

 

What is sexual morality? How does it get defined and by what?

I think that was one of, if not 'the' only reason for this thread.
Honesty is an attribute that I saw leaving in the 1980s. Getting ahead at all costs is how the world went.

 

Progressives, in my opinion, are fighting for equality with people who have been traditionally discriminated against. All traditions are not accepted as equal among all people. Progressives do other things, as well, but I'm not opposed to equal opportunity nor equal treatment under the law. Please specify which traditions we are losing. Dueling to the death used to be culturally acceptable, as was raising a family in your mid-teens if you lived in an agricultural area. Traditions change. I still see many religious people, hard working people, people who believe in the American dream. We still have mom, baseball and apple pie. Focusing on crime ridden inner cities doesn't tell the whole story. For one thing, the inner cities of NY, Chicago, Detroit, etc., have always been violent. That tradition is still with us. I just don't see such a big change as others are claiming. Pop culture is another story.

 

Again, the Catholic position is that people with homosexual inclinations (gays) are simply people who sin like all people. The condemnation is not to the person but to the sin (the act). A gay man can be a priest, but he cannot live a gay lifestyle.

The Pope clearly stated that conscientious objection for any reason and by any person was a human right. He specifically called out government officials as having that right.

That's a very good point, and its valid as long as people have a choice. If a person objects to war and killing and the military, then it would be foolish to enlist in the Army and then complain about what he was required to do.

But what do you do when the government mandates that every job requires you to do something you fundamentally oppose? Its unrealistic and unreasonable to tell someone to either compromise their fundamental values or have no job and live in poverty.

Consider the person who is 60 years old, has spent 30 years as a county clerk, is almost to retirement, cannot change careers, and suddenly the county statute is changed so that clerks have to issue same sex marriage licenses. Again, its unreasonable and unrealistic to tell that person to either compromise their fundamental values or quit their job.

But that is exactly what the LGBT activists want to impose on people.

 

1. Promote Secularism while attacking Christian and Jewish religion and defending Islamic extremism.
2. Womans Choice must be subsidized by Govt. extortion of taxpayers opposed to partial birth abortion. Those who refuse to pay for the abortion will be subjected to IRS harrassment. Those who question the practice of crushing infant heads as they are about to emerge from the womb, are Conservative Theocratic Bigots
3. Any race,ethnic group of persons not of the Caucasian anglo saxon heritage are to be subsidized by Govt. programs because of the color of their skin, and because they have all been oppressed by "White Privilege"
4. Marriage can be between any number of persons, animals, or even inanimate objects, because Marriage is not an established form of union between a man and woman, but is simply a right of the individual. Therefore, a father may marry all his daughters, if they consent. A man and horse may be wed, as long as a pet therapist can determine via ESP that the horse has consented.
5. Women who choose to have children from many different fathers must be subsidized by taxing other people who are opposed to promiscuity and nonconventional lifestyles.
6. Any persons entering the USA illegally, should be given sanctuary in progressive cities and should not be subject to Federal Laws or to Federal extradition demands.
7. Illegal aliens will be immediately entitled to request government healthcare, welfare, housing, paid for by legal citizens of the USA.
8. Any and all persons opposed to Obama will be characterized as "Racist"
9. All cultures and religions are "Equivalent" except of course for Islamic Arabic Culture which is a Superior culture, and which requires the President of the United States to bow in submission when visiting the King of Saudi Arabia.
10. Womens rights and Choice are to be part of the Progressive Democrat Party platform at the same time that the Progresive Hillary Clinton accepts contributions from Islamic Saudi Arabia currently allowing oppression of woman and beheading and raping of women as part of their religious doctrine.

 

Progressives can be in any culture and come from any tradition. You can have Progressive Jews and Mormons. Indeed, Jews are known for Progressivism

In no way did I say that progress was just technological. Progress is Mills old shibboleth, the greatest good for the greatest number.

Traditions are behavioristic cliches, they work very well at first which is why everyone uses them but eventually they lose meaning as people start to use them in place of thought

Why would we seek to undermine the things you speak of? We seek to strengthen them by extending them to more people and making them meaningful to their lives instead of just empty words.

 

There are no Progressive Orthodox Christians. And we find our Tradition very meaningful.

 

Progressives have progressive ever changing values depending on human desires, for them,today's values are different from past values and future values. In order to understand the latest moral values in a progressive society, one has to be in tune with what is currently politically correct. For instance, currently heterosexuality, maleness (especially white maleness) are not politically correct.

 

I disagree with this. Employees do not, and have never had a right to create their own personal job descriptions based on values. Allowing them to do so would open a Pandora's box where the employee decided what work should be done, not the employer. What about Catholics who oppose divorce? Should they be allowed to refuse marriage licenses to divorced people? What if my deeply held value is hatred? Can I just sit around all day watching ball games while refusing to serve anyone? Do your job, or hit the street. Simple.

 

Being male is a gender, white is a race, and heterosexuality is an orientation. These aren't values.

 

But progressives pretend they are values. That was my point.

 

"Progressive" is just the American name for a Social Democrat - someone who believes in trying to achieve the societal goals of socialism without actually having a socialist economy. They believe in working within the system and making it progress in the direction they want (thus, "progressive").

 

Okay, not disagreeing, but give me an example. I can't wrap my head around how anyone, progressive or not, could view gender, race and sexual orientation as values.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head! However, they still need capitalism to pay for their progressive ideas. Progressives live in their own 'la la' land where $$$$$ are distributed by a central government. The most inefficient economic model ever concocted.

 

If you promote maleness, whiteness or heterosexuality, your values will certainly be questioned.