Greek Pipeline Breakthrough To Challenge Russian Gas Dominance

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  1. AboveAlpha

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    What's your point?

    We were just talking about the beginning of ending European dependence on Russian natural gas.

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    By the way...do you have any idea how much Natural Gas the U.S. Produces as the worlds largest producer of gas?

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    Who cares. Russian economy sucks anyway.
     
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    Yet Russia survives.
    Maybe our statistics are not quite correct.

    Beware of BRICS in a few decades. I'm 67, decades happen.
    Consumer markets & raw materials.
    I wish I could buy BRICS bonds.
    Well maybe not, I'm too old by the time they would pay off.
     
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    Hey AA

    Would you feel comfortable with a crazy, Islamist, duplicitous Turkish president such as Erdogan
    sitting on the shut off valve of Your natural gas supply?
    You, AA, don't think he would ever leverage it?

    How about if the next Turkish president is even more "crazy, Islamist, duplicitous"?

    Hardly a step toward Euro energy security.
    Ain't there no natural gas by the north Atlantic oil?
    How about gas off the Greek or Italian coast as Israel discovered off their coast?


    Moi :oldman:

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    When Iran increased production they will be in direct competition with Russia.
     
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    We can control the Turks.

    I am not worried about them.

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    Sure :roll: , Right :crazy:, Uh - Huh :wtf:, Take It To The Bank. :rock_slayer:

    Fronting Islamic State Oil sales.
    Fronting terrorist groups
    Don't you miss the Turkey that was a big empty space on the map we never heard from?
    What control does the West have over Turkey?


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    Everybody including Israel was buying oil from ISIS with the main broker being a guy married to an Alawite woman and traveling on a Russian passport.
     
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    You can control Erdogan as much as Hitler was controlled. Don't you know he sees himself as a god and that he's invincible. He's playing for time and waiting for the most opportune moment to do his mischief. He has no loyalty.

    He turned on his friend Assad when he felt he could grab part of Syria. He turned on Israel when he felt he didn't need Aipac anymore. He turned on his mentor Gulan when he felt he was too powerful, and now he turned on Devetoglu his PM. Did you see Merkel's subservience to him? You realize that single handedly he's destroying the EU.
     
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    Cheap oil.

    It's wrong what they did.

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    We can handle him.

    We are very good at such things.

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    I agree...

    I think the point here is that Europe should have multiple sources for natural gas and not be held hostage to the Russians.
     
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    Link? Not that I don't trust you...:lol: Anyway I do know Israel was buying oil as was Japan and many other countries. The Syrian oil was going to Iraq, and sold as Iraqi oil. This doesn't mean that Erdogan and his son are not criminals.
     
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    And you think Putin is not a criminal?? He was KGB most of his adult life.

    I'll think of the broker's name in a minute and post a link for you.

    No link yet...

    George Haswani was the “biggest trader in ISIS oil.” Haswani had dual Syrian and Russian citizenship and was buying oil from ISIS and selling it to the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as well as to international traders.
     
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    OFAC designated George Haswani today for materially assisting and acting for or on behalf of the Government of Syria, and HESCO Engineering and Construction Company (HESCO) for being owned or controlled by Haswani.

    Haswani is a Syrian businessman who serves as a middleman for oil purchases by the Syrian regime from ISIL.

    HESCO is a Syrian engineering and construction company that operates energy production facilities in Syria, reportedly in areas controlled by ISIL. The European Union (EU) added Haswani to its sanctions list in March 2015.

    https://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/jl0287.aspx
     
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    Feel more comfortable with Erdogan than Putin.

    Yes I know, tell me about how great he is and how bad the west it.
     
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    Oh I forgot to mention that he back stabbed Putin with the plane shoot down when most of Turkey's prosperity was because of him. As an example, when tourism from Russia stopped, 1,600 hotels closed down in Turkey within three months. Before the Olympic Games, the tens of billions spent to rebuild Socchi, went to Turkish construction firms...
     
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    OFAC designated George Haswani today for materially assisting and acting for or on behalf of the Government of Syria, and HESCO Engineering and Construction Company (HESCO) for being owned or controlled by Haswani.

    Haswani is a Syrian businessman who serves as a middleman for oil purchases by the Syrian regime from ISIL.

    HESCO is a Syrian engineering and construction company that operates energy production facilities in Syria, reportedly in areas controlled by ISIL. The European Union (EU) added Haswani to its sanctions list in March 2015.

    https://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Pages/jl0287.aspx

    And you think Putin is not a criminal?? He was KGB most of his adult life.

    I'll think of the broker's name in a minute and post a link for you.

    No link yet...

    George Haswani was the “biggest trader in ISIS oil.” Haswani had dual Syrian and Russian citizenship and was buying oil from ISIS and selling it to the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as well as to international traders.
     
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    Moi you don't know what they just did in the Turkish Parliament. Erdogan's party just passed the bill lifting the immunity of the Parliamentarians. This means anyone who opposes Erdogan or criticizes what the government is doing can be put in jail. This means all the Kurds who have freaked out about the genocide and about their homes being demolished will now be jailed. Here's a few videos, enjoy!

    Boys having fun!


    [video=youtube;GPhz9dNR5CE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPhz9dNR5CE[/video]

    This is what they wanted to shut up.

    [video=youtube;k8xCOkKjhYA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xCOkKjhYA[/video]

    A little background here. Right now the Turks are killing the Kurd civilians and destroying the towns in Eastern Turkey, and in retaliation the PKK is killing Turkish soldiers. There is a civil war going on that the MSM is not telling anyone about.
     
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    You asked me for a link and a name of the Syrian oil broker, insulted me and failed to read the link.
     
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    It isn't about the comparative.
    It is about declaring security of gas supplies with
    a crazy, Islamist, duplicitous President of Turkey
    sitting on the shut off valve of European destined gas.
    And the next President of Turkey could be, more so.
    How secure should Euros be knowing gas power will be leveraged!

    What part don't I have correct?
     
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    Your link is the US Treasury and all one has to do is read the first line and realize it was an anti Assad propaganda report in support of the terrorists. These are the same people who are covering up Erdogan's crimes when he should be jailed not only for supporting ISIS but for the genocide he's committing on the Kurds.

    As for Vladimir Putin, he was always considered incorruptible by those who knew him.


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    Is Putin incorruptible? U.S. insider's view of the Russian president's character and his country's transformation - Read on -



    https://www.sott.net/article/278407...nts-character-and-his-countrys-transformation
     
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    Dear Jeannette :blowkiss: DEAR

    Saw it on RT but no Western News Media. :nana:

    Don't term, nor imply, nor infer Moi as ignoranted. :steamed:

    My Turks are the Constantinople Turks who seem cool and mellow and cosmopolitan
    where as Erdogan's power comes from the Turkish :heart:Land.

    Does the :heart:Land and cosmopolitan divide remind you of,
    maybe, oh I don't know, :flagus: ! ?



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    Maybe you need more links.

    A former employee has revealed details about Hasawani's identity


    Following an emormous number of questions from readers about the identity of George Haswani, who was reported to have helped release the Maloula nuns from the Nusra Front in Yabroud, we asked one of his employees about his character.

    The employee revealed thatHaswani is from Yabroud and he was the assistant manager of Banias refinery. He was temporarily assigned as a manager when the General Manager resigned. After a new manager was assigned to the position, Haswani resigned and went to Russia, where he studied and married.

    Haswani communicated with old friends there, among them were high-ranking officials from the Russian security forces. He established an authorized corporation with licenses from a Russian gas and oil company. The corporation, HESCO for Oil and Gas, also delivered spares to the Russian military vehicles and Russian oil wells.

    Haswani's office is run by his son-in-law, Yousuf Arbash, who was a member in the Syrian Communist Party, in the Yousuf Faisal wing. Arbash runs the office with Amjad Douba, who also lives in Moscow.

    Because working in these business sectors is difficult and limited to a specified group, Haswani married an Alawite woman with connections to the Assad family. The work of the company expanded to include oil pipelines in Algeria and Sudan. Later it completed a gas processing plant in central Syria, as a subcontractor to Russian company Stroytransgaz, by the end of 2013.

    The source said rumors saying that Haswani is the brother-in-law of the Russian President are completely fake.

    http://syrianobserver.com/EN/News/26865/Who+is+George+Hasawani+Who+Helped+Release+Maaloula+Nuns
     
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    Dispatch

    Why Are Russian Engineers Working at an Islamic State-Controlled Gas Plant in Syria?

    fficially, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s government and his Russian allies are at war against the Islamic State. But a gas facility in northern Syria under the control of the jihadi group is evidence that business links between the Syrian regime and the Islamic State persist. According to Turkish officials and Syrian rebels, it is also the site of cooperation between the Islamic State and a Russian energy company with ties to President Vladimir Putin.

    The Tuweinan gas facility, which is located roughly 60 miles southwest of the Islamic State’s de facto capital of Raqqa, is the largest such facility in Syria. It was built by Russian construction company Stroytransgaz, which is owned by billionaire Gennady Timchenko, a close associate of Putin. The company’s link to the Kremlin is well-documented: The U.S. Treasury Department previously sanctioned Stroytransgaz, along with the other Timchenko-owned companies, for engaging in activities “directly linked to Putin” amidst the confrontation over Ukraine.



    The story of the controversial plant involves the Assad regime, Russian-Syrian businessmen, the Islamic State, and moderate Syrian groups, which together tried to activate the facility for the financial and logistical benefits it could provide for them.



    The Syrian government originally awarded the contract to construct the Tuweinan facility to Stroytransgaz in 2007. The construction utilized a Syrian subcontractor, Hesco, which was owned by Russian-Syrian dual national George Haswani. Last November, the Treasury Department sanctioned Haswani for allegedly brokering oil sales between the Islamic State and the Assad regime, charges he denies.

    The partnership between Hesco and Stroytransgaz goes far beyond this one deal. The companies have worked in joint projects in Sudan, Algeria, Iraq, and the UAE since 2000, according to Haswani’s son-in-law, Yusef Arbash, who runs Hesco’s Moscow office.

    Construction continued slowly until a coalition of Syrian rebel groups seized the facility in a joint operation with the al Qaeda-affiliated al-Nusra Front in January 2013. Abu Khalid, a member of the Qwais al-Qarani brigade, which was a part of the rebel coalition, said that when they entered the area, Russian engineers and advisors had already fled, leaving Syrian employees behind. “We decided to protect this plant; we thought it is belonging to Syrian people since it was owned by the Syrian state,” he said.

    The Islamic State has been in control of the facility since early 2014.

    A senior Turkish official said that after its seizure, Stroytransgaz, through its subcontractor Hesco, continued the facility’s construction with the Islamic State’s permission. He also claimed that Russian engineers have been working at the facility to complete the project.

    Syrian state-run newspaper Tishreen published a report appearing to corroborate this claim. In January 2014, after the facility was captured by the Islamic State, the paper cited Syrian government sources, saying that Stroytransgaz had completed 80 percent of the project and expected to hand over the facility to the regime during the second half of the year. The article didn’t mention that the facility was under the control of the Islamic State.

    According to David Butter, an associate fellow at London-based Chatham House, who has seen a letter written by George Haswani explaining the details of the project, the facility’s first phase of production started towards the end of 2014, and it became fully operational during 2015. “Some of the natural gas goes to the Aleppo power station, which operates under the Islamic State’s protection, and the remainder is pumped to Homs and Damascus,” he said.

    Abu Khalid said that Russian engineers still work at the facility, and Haswani brokered a deal with the Islamic State and the regime for mutually beneficial gas production from the facility. “IS allowed the Russian company to send engineers and crew in return for a big share in the gas and extortion money,” he said, using an acronym for the Islamic State and attributing the information to Syrian rebel commanders fighting the Islamic State in the area. “Employees of the Russian company were changing their shifts via a military base in Hama governorate.”

    Haswani has rejected the Treasury Department’s allegations that he worked as a middle man in oil deals between the Islamic State and the Assad regime. But he has never denied Hesco’s continued work on the gas facility after the Islamic State captured it.

    The details of the Tuweinan deal brokered between the Islamic State and Hesco was first reported by the Syrian media collective Raqqa Is Being Slaughtered Silently in October 2014. The group claimed that Hesco signed an agreement with the Islamic State promising to leave a larger chunk of the profit to them. In October 2015, the Financial Times reported that the gas produced in the plant was sent to the Islamic State-held thermal power plant in Aleppo. The deal provides 50 megawatts of electricity for the regime, while the Islamic State receives 70 megawatts of electricity and 300 barrels of condensate. The engineers who worked at the plant told the Financial Times that Hesco also sends the Islamic State roughly $50,000 every month to protect its valuable equipment.

    While Syria remains politically fractured, the deal at the Tuweinan gas facility shows that the rival parties are still cutting economic agreements amid the war. Aron Lund, editor of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace’s website Syria in Crisis, said that similar gas and oil arrangements exist all over Syria. “You have them between the IS and the regime, but also between IS and rival Sunni Arab rebels, between the Kurds and the regime, Kurds and rebels, the rebels and the regime, and so on,” he said. “You have lots of informal trade connections that emerge among armed groups, smugglers, or private business to fill the gaps between the various sides as the country falls apart, while national institutions, infrastructure, and much of the economy will necessarily remain shared.”

    The partnership between Hesco and Stroytransgaz goes far beyond this one deal. The companies have worked in joint projects in Sudan, Algeria, Iraq, and the UAE since 2000, according to Haswani’s son-in-law, Yusef Arbash, who runs Hesco’s Moscow office.

    Construction continued slowly until a coalition of Syrian rebel groups seized the facility in a joint operation with the al Qaeda-affiliated al-Nusra Front in January 2013. Abu Khalid, a member of the Qwais al-Qarani brigade, which was a part of the rebel coalition, said that when they entered the area, Russian engineers and advisors had already fled,

    The Islamic State has been in control of the facility since early 2014.

    A senior Turkish official said that after its seizure, Stroytransgaz, through its subcontractor Hesco, continued the facility’s construction with the Islamic State’s permission. He also claimed that Russian engineers have been working at the facility to complete the project.

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    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/02/09...-islamic-state-controlled-gas-plant-in-syria/
     

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