Beyond Cold War to Mobilization for War Against Russia?

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Alpha I hate to break your illusions, but the world has been in continuous war since WWII because of the US.
     
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    So like Bitter Lake has been described here as 'a video' by those who don't want to hear what's revealed in it, Zeitgeist 1-3 is 'specious conspiracy nonsense', even thought they're both universally acclaimed documentaries. I'm perfectly aware that I'm not the sharpest knife in the block, but on quite a few occasions my basic instincts have proved to be right. On this occasion, however, I have no alternative than to accept what you've said, even though much of it comes across as double-speak.
     
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    You repeat the same nonsense as the parrot. You need proof, but you can not give any evidence. Links that are contrary to your delirium you ignore. But, given the fact that you're Swedish, this is not surprising. Ostriches for example hide head in the sand.
    You need to read more.

    Russia: Current data http://inflationinrussia.com/

    The inflation rate in April 2016: 0.44%
    The inflation rate since the beginning of 2016: 2,51%

    USA: Current data http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/

    The inflation rate in April 2016: 1,1%
    The inflation rate since the beginning of 2016: 1,1% (More accurately -1,16%)
     
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    Probably because you've found a way of generating money without the need to account for it. Trouble with these smartarse shenanigans is they can become so convoluted as to get out of control as they did in '29. I wouldn't be so complacent as to believe that, in possibly an unexpected way, a similar event couldn't happen again . . . think 'boom and bust', and 'bubbles' and 'bursting'?
     
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    LOL....yeah...you keep denying reality Destroyer of Illusions, and I'm sure you will. The irony here is that The Destroyers of Illusions can't destroy even his own delusions. In fact he doubles down on them. As has been repeatedly pointed out to you, you are desperately grasping for anything, no matter how ridiculous, to support your delusions.

    The fact is last year inflation in your beloved Mother Russia was near 13%. You keep cherry picking and obfuscating. Last year the US had an average inflation rate of .1%. It helps if you understand the data. But you don't understand the data.

    http://www.inflation.eu/inflation-rates/russia/historic-inflation/cpi-inflation-russia.aspx

    http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/

    And as you have been previously told, I am not Swedish. But, hey, the Destroyer of Illusions cannot destroy even his own delusions.
     
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    You cannot compare the US to 1929 because much has changed - Keynesian economics for one. After The Great Depression new laws, new regulations were created to prevent another Great Recession from occurring. New systems and institutions were created. And they worked, even as recently as 2008. By the same token, the repeal of some of those post Great Depression laws and further deregulation caused the Great Recession of 2007-2009. So as long as we continue to learn from history, we should be fine. The problem is some of us don't want to learn from history (i.e. Republicans). In some circles (i.e. Republican) ideology trumps science, reason, and history, and that's dangerous.
     
  7. Jeannette

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    Is that how ones well being is supposed to be measured, with numbers? Is that what makes the 'supermenchen' and separates them from the 'untermenchen'; a person's material prosperity ...even if it is only the material prosperity of the elite in contrast to the masses?

    Are the Swedes happy? I mean their paranoia and suspicions astound me. Don't they have one of the highest suicide rates in the world?
     
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    Excuse me, you're not Swedish. There is no way you could be and yet know the domestic issues in the US. Why the deception?
     
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    Facts are facts Jeannette. Yes Americans are better off than your beloved Mother Russia. They have a free press. Their government is far less corrupt. They have more freedoms. They have freedom of speech. They can speak freely without fears of exotic poisons showing up in their food or a piece of lead materializing in their brains. They are better of economically as well. The earn more. They have better healthcare. They live longer. They earn more. They are more productive.

    That's why more and more Russians are fleeing your beloved Mother Russia.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ing-exodus-as-russia-s-banking-tech-pros-flee
     
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    Ahaha. Why do you compare 2015? Why do not you compare 1930 or 1750? (specially for Swedes - is the irony)

    Take a look at the trend. In Russia last year, inflation was - 12%, this year is much smaller. In the US last year, inflation was - 1% this year, much higher.

    For example, former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, in an interview on Fox News on Thursday, he said that Venezuela is now the laws of war and that the United States will be next. He said that what is happening in Venezuela will inevitably happen in the United States.
    If you have not seen the interview. Here is the link for you. "Alan Greenspan: "We're Running To A State Of Disaster"" http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-05-31/alan-greenspan-were-running-state-disaster Read. Increase your education.
     
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    Except, that's not what Greenspan said. I don't then even Greenspan is that much of an idiot. Further, you mean the same Greenspan who set up and caused the Great Recession....that Greenspan? The fact is, that Greenspan is an ideological zealot and an idiot. The only place that will have him now is Fox News who caters to ideological zealots and idiots. Greenspan is an idiot who can barely speak.

    That's why the Federal Reserve and virtually other other credible economists have no regard for anything the man says. I suggest you listen to what Greenspan actually said, if you can stay awake long enough to listen.

    As for your beloved Mother Russia, I used the most recent year, a year that ended just a few months ago. That's current data. What you have done, like to do, is cherry pick and misrepresent. You turn a single data point into a year. And that's just not good statistics. It's not good science. That's why credible scientists don't do it. And to make matters worse, you don't understand the data sets you reference or what it is telling you. That's why you frequently reference irrelevant material.
     
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    Hahaha. US - fascist state. The US government has totally watching their citizens. (NSA) in US jails are people without charge or trial for years. (For example, in Guantanamo) In the United States officially authorized torture. In the US, the police kill people because of another color. In the US media - censorship. In the US, the elections did not allow international observers. The electoral system does not reflect the interests most Americans, ....etc. Hitler and Himmler weep with envy.
    But your love for the American government is not surprising. The Swedes have always cooperated with the Nazis.
    For example. In the early days of the war through the territory of Sweden was passed German Division for operations in Northern Finland.
    And in general - the Swedish trade with Nazi Germany was 90% of Swedish foreign trade.
    Suffice it to say that even in 1944, when the outcome of the Second World War, no one is no longer in doubt, the Germans received from Sweden 7.5 million tons of iron ore. But Sweden received Nazi gold through Switzerland. (Loot gold and gold from dentures prisoners of concentration camps and death camps)

    What do you think how many lives cut short because allegedly "neutral" Sweden, who provided Nazi Germany's strategic products and military products?

    Therefore, your sympathy for the fascist dictatorship has historical roots.
     
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    Except none of that is true. The irony, that the guy who calls himself The Destroyer of Illusions can't even destroy his own illusions is too sweet. You can't even admit I'm not a Swede. But, hey, you still repeat the falsehood because you have so little regard for truth and honesty.
     
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    Ahaha. Himself you feel great genius?
    For Greenspan can be treated differently. But he was the head of the Fed. And he knows a lot more the actual information. But look at yourself. Who you are..... This is very funny.
     
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    Greenspan is a political zealot. He is the guy who engineered The Great Recession. Those are facts comrade.
     
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    What is not true? NSA does not follow the Americans? In Guantanamo not hold people without trial for many years? Or, in the United States is not officially authorized torture?....
    Maybe Sweden has not cooperated with Nazi Germany? Or the United States invites international observers to the elections?

    An example of censorship in the American media. Especially for you.

    [video=youtube;WBPBdW2wXpc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBPBdW2wXpc[/video]

    And another example. Especially for you.

    [video=youtube;YPJCPcYCupY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPJCPcYCupY[/video]

    You claim that you are not a Swede. Maybe you're right. I do not understand in small tribes.
     
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    Ahaha. But of course you are smarter than him. And of course you possess a lot more information than have Greenspan. Is not it?

    In fact there is a source?
     
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    Well it's not difficult to be smarter than Greenspan. The fact is Greenspan is a political zealot and an economic pariah. It's not just me. His ideas have been thoroughly discredited and they are certainly not supported by the current Federal Reserve governors. For God's sake, he's still talking about crowding out which was a neocon economic idea which has never been proven and has virtually no evidence to support it. It's an idea without evidence after decades of trying.
     
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    All of it isn't true. NSA doesn't follow Americans. Guantanamo is a prisoner of war camp, where people can be held indefinitely. It holds people who have been captured on the battle field. It doesn't hold Americans nor does it deny them their constitutional rights. And the US does not endorse or officially authorize torture. If you have evidence otherwise, now is the time to show it. But you don't. The US has an open election process. If international observers want to observe our elections, they are certainly welcome. Unlike your beloved Mother Russia, the US is a nation of laws and has a long tradition of rule of law.

    Did you listen to your video clip? There is no evidence it was censored in any way. They were allowed to say what they wanted to say. They were given extra time to say what they wanted to say. Just because they have to make a commercial brake and have a schedule to maintain, it doesn't mean they are censoring anyone comrade. They were given more time to say what they wanted to say.

    Examples of politicians lying isn't evidence of censorship either comrade. Politicians lie, some more than others. Get over it. The irony here is that you want to point your fingers at American politicians who have lied all the while ignoring the biggest liar of all, your beloved Mother Putina.

    LOL...well of course I am correct. I am not a Swede, nor have I ever been a Swede.
     
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    Not because of us.

    But because of the actions of others that we had to compensate for.

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    It could not happen to that degree.

    Remember it was the Dust Bowl that helped cause the Great Depression.

    Plus now as the United States is the Financial Hub of the world if we go down....EVERYBODY GOES DOWN!!

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    I hope so. It goes without saying that I don't approve of your foreign policy, and l think you have a bunch of morons in the Pentagon the same as we have a bunch of morons in the Ministry of Defence, but I actually like Americans very much.
     
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    It's never the men at the Pentagon that is the problem as they are honorable men and women who are just doing their best to protect and serve their country.

    IT'S THE DAMN POLITICIAN'S!!!

    And you have the same problem.

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    Point taken! But in our case it's the MoD AND the politicians - they're all bloody useless.
     
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    Well that sucks.

    With the exceptions of a few bad apples who were getting paid off to continue funding of a bad version of the now spectacular Bradly Troop Carrier back in the 1980's...and yes there is always a few bad apples in the bunch.....the vast majority of the men and women at the Pentagon just do their best to serve their country.

    I am not Military as I am...."CIVILIAN"....in the manner the quotes denote and because I am I have been able to prevent politician's from gaining control of my Team and I have prevented my Team from being dropped into a Meat Grinder all for the sake of some Political Scumbags ideology and self glorified plans.

    After Vietnam and I lost a few family members to that war.....the U.S. Military did everything it could including having the support of the American people.....as the U.S. Military after Nam was an ALL VOLUNTEER FORCE and as in every U.S. State and our numerous territories there are multitudes of U.S. Military bases.....after Nam....the American people wanted to MAKE CERTAIN that never again could Politician's including a U.S. President MICROMANAGE A WAR!!!

    Vietnam was a total debacle because the U.S. Military was NOT ALLOWED to fight and win the war.

    It was so messed up that in one case President Johnson REFUSED to allow the U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy to bomb Hanoi where IN TOTAL PLAIN SIGHT......in a Hanoi Downtown Square.....the North Vietnamese had hundreds of Soviet Made Surface to Air Missiles or SAM's that were stored right out in the open because the North Vietnamese KNEW that Johnson had FORBIDDEN the bombing of Hanoi!!!!

    There was a movie made about this called the Flight of the Intruder which is a USN. Attack Aircraft who's crew decides to bomb that SAM location in Hanoi.

    Anyways....after that debacle the American People would never again allow ANYONE to micromanage a war not a Politician and not even a President.

    American's understand that our Military is made up of our sons and daughters, fathers and mothers, sisters and brothers and NEVER AGAIN....would any American call members of our Military Baby Killers like what happened in the 1960's and early 70's as the men and women in our Military were just following the orders of the Politicians!!

    So now in the United States we all understand that if and when U.S. Military Forces are sent that NO MATTER WHAT.....the American People BACK OUR TROOPS!!!

    Now a U.S. President is really the most powerful man on the planet because a U.S. President as Commander in Chief of our Military can commit U.S. Forces into Battle without the approval of Congress.

    The War Powers Resolution requires the President notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without a Congressional authorization for use of military force or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.

    Not even Putin is capable of doing this.

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