Clinton Has 12-Point Edge Over Trump in Bloomberg National Poll

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  1. Vegas giants

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    An average of the lase 7 polls has Clinton up by 5.5 points. She is leading in all of them
     
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    Black and Hispanics vote for Democrats because of the anti-civil rights agenda of the Republican Party that first became evident under the Reagan administration when the racist social conservatives of the South, such as former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke, abandoned the Democratic Party and became Republicans.

    Next we need to point out that Republicans have been effective in some states in disenfranchising blacks and Hispanics with Voter ID laws. It's estimated that 25% of registered black (citizens) and 17% of registered Hispanic (citizens) don't have the necessary government issued ID to vote. Disenfranchisement was a favorite means of preventing minorities from voting in the South prior to the Voting Rights Act and Republicans are taking full advantage of the Supreme Court decision striking down Section 4b because it was out of date and needed to be revised by Congress (which, of course, the Republican majority in Congress has no intention of ever updating).

    What the heck, if you can't get the citizens to vote for you then preventing those citizens from voting against you is the next best option and that has become the Republican strategy to win elections.
     
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    That's true. However, they're less likely to vote than those who are affiliated with a party. According to the exit polls in the last election, 38% were Democrats, 32% were Republicans, and 29% were Independents. There was a 6 point gap. I don't know how these polling groups conduct their surveys. I'm not sure if party affiliation is asked over the phone or if they specifically target registered voters and use that data. Based on the extra 2 point gap from the previous election, this sample might be a little more favorable to Clinton than reality, but Bloomberg polls are generally pretty accurate. I don't know the party affiliation trends well enough to speculate if 8 points is more reflective of a 2016 election or not. However, if the election were held today, I'd bet my life savings that more Democrats would turnout than Republicans. The question is by how much.
     
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    trump barks most of time
     
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    Not remotely helped by those retarded comments about the "Mexican" judge. He needs latinos and women. He doesn't need to p*ss them off.
     
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    Trump is completely toast.

    He has no chance NONE of being elected.

    Debating polls is an exercise in futility.

    Trump is destined to LOSE. It is already over.

    My advice to Hillary is to sit on her enormous lead and refuse to even debate him.
     
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    She has to debate. Otherwise that would make her look weak. If you're that confident he can't regroup and put things together then wouldn't you want to see the debate? I'm not sure Trump would effectively be able to debate on issues. Professional debate judges would likely call it a disaster. However, if the audience likes a WWE debate he could benefit from it. He's likely to go places that others wouldn't. I can't wait. Gonna have my popcorn ready!
     
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    He wants a reason to drop out or lose. Don't t you get that yet? He's pretty much milked this charade dry and is at this very moment planning how to further capitalize on all the free publicity he garnered over the past months.
     
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    I think he would want to get sworn in first. Then he might resign the next day. That way he can say he was the 45th POTUS.
     
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    Polls are going to sway back in his favor. I didnt listen to all his speaches, but the one i heard wasnt bad. Except mentioning the guy was from Afghanistan. His parents were. But its not like he can do all the ridiculious things hillary has. Those things are on all whole other level. Lol.
     
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    Hillary up to 75% on predictwise.
    Hillary up to -300 in the betting markets

    All are ridiculously high at this time. Trump's racist attack on the judge really screwed him. I mean there's tons of stuff that he's done that hurt him but when he attacked an American, questioning his ability to do his job because he's Mexican, and the Repubs even coming out calling him racist, just put the nail in the coffin. This is going to be a landslide victory.
     
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    Unlike those who think of politics in terms of race, when I meet someone, their race is not what determines how I view them.
     
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    These polls are valuable when judging the opinions of the voters but we must remember something that's very significant. The voters don't elect the president, the Electoral College elects the president, and there can often be a significant difference when comparing the voter polls to the Electoral College vote.

    For example in 2012 Mitt Romney was polling closely to President Obama but the Electoral College polls always indicated that President Obama would be re-elected by a margin of 80-120 Electoral College votes. The popular vote gave Obama the election by a margin of 51% to 47% for Romney while the Electoral College gave President Obama the election by 62% to 38% for Romney.

    We're looking at the disparity in the possible popular vote between Clinton and Trump but that doesn't reflect what the Electoral College vote may end up being. Many in the Republican leadership fear that Trump will lose worse than Barry Goldwater in 1964 where Goldwater only won in six states and only secured 9.7% of the Electoral College vote. There's actually the possibility that Trump could lose in all 50 states and DC and end up with zero Electoral College votes in November and that would pretty much put the final nail in the coffin for any future Republicans hopes for the presidency.
     
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    It's not just one poll that is saying this, there are many now that have pointed to Clinton being ahead. And with that said I still don't put stock in those polls because the candidates have yet to pick their VPs, debates haven't happened yet and of course any gaffes or anything like that can happen before the election.

    Even then when you get closer to the election, while people "say" they will vote for a candidate, they sometimes either change their vote (privately) or they don't even get out and vote (Look at Romney being ahead and people claimed a landslide for him). So many factors, but the key thing is we are still too far away for anything definitive IMO. Now if most polls have Clinton at a 30-40% lead, THEN I would be questioning Trump's chances but that isn't the case here.
     
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    He won't sniff even the 200 EVs that Romney got... but unfortunately there will be a few states still stuck in the pre-civil rights era that donna j tramp might carry.
     
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    like what i said somewhere else. I will be worried once the country thinks its headed for the right direction.
     
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    In point of fact the popular vote for Romney v Obama didn't fall very far outside of the polling where Obama had a slight lead, won 51% of the popular vote while Romney won 47%. The difference was the Electoral College vote where Democrats hold a significant advantage.

    There is a wild card that can come into play. Much of the voter support for Trump is based upon the "Never Hillary" vote and much of the Clinton support is based upon the "Never Trump" vote. These are people that aren't voting for the candidate but instead are voting against the other candidate.

    The wild card is if a third person makes it into the presidential debates that both the "Never Trump" and "Never Hillary" voters can actually support with their vote. The only "third" candidate that can possibly make it into the presidential debates is Libertarian Gary Johnson but he has a ways to go before he will qualify. Currently polling in the low double-digits he needs to poll above 15% to be included in the debate. Perhaps his greatest advantage, assuming he makes the debates, is his extremely low disapproval rating and the fact that three out of four voters don't have enough knowledge about him to provide any opinion at this point. That would certainly change if he's included in the debates but we can note that he'd unquestionably be more favorable to most voters than either Trump or Clinton.

    In a two person race then Clinton's almost certainly going to win in November. In a three person race then it's very likely that both Trump and Clinton will lose because both have a disapproval rating above 50%.
     
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    Based upon a Fox News poll from last week the majority of Americans approve of President Obama, indicating they believe we're on the right course under his administration, and as my Republican friends point out Hillary Clinton probably represents a continuation of the Obama administration in the future.

    At the same time the 62% disapproval rating of Donald Trump indicates that the vast majority of American believe he would take the US down the wrong course if elected.
     
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    real clear politcs say something like -40 or something for right track
     
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    And it has basically been at that same level since the question was introduced back in the 1970s. Voters are a pessimistic lot. :)
     
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    The BEST polling Trump has this month....are Fox News and The Economist...


    who still have him losing to Hillary by 3 points nationally.


    The CBS poll out today says that Hillary beats him on the issues of terrorism....AND guns.

    And that 51% of Americans think Hillary will win.....only 25% think that Trump will win.

    - - - Updated - - -

    You'll quickly abandon Real Clear Politics as a source, tsuke.
     
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    So the Clintons should pony up some of their $200 million fortune to pay for fed gov I.D.s
    Or I could trade you a few million free voter I.D.s for a few million of your "instant Democrats":salute:
     
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    It would be good if you improved your vision for your children's sake. Google "The Knock Out Game" or better yet read the below.


    The Mantra


    ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

    Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

    What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

    How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

    And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

    But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
     
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    Actually that (what you posted) is a talking point put out by Stormfronters.....


    fortunately nobody cares about you guys...not even Trump.
     
  25. phil white

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    Refutation by association? That means you can't refute the logic.

    And it was written by Bob Whitaker, retired CIA writer.:salute:
     

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