28th Amendment - Prohibition of Firearms

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Ratification of the 28th Amendment

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  2. I vote against Ratification

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  3. I lean towards Ratification

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  1. dnsmith

    dnsmith New Member

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    Always bring a gun to a knife fight. Never let those who assault you a fair shake, or it may be you who are killed. Apparently Shiva does not value his own life considering the way he talks. Nor does he want to recognize the constitutional right to property and his weak statement about "natural" right to property is hokum.

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    In addition it will never be approved by our sovereign states. As it is, the federal government has usurped the rights of the people and the states almost to the point of tyranny.
     
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    Nope, by definition, your entire repertoire is fallacious.
     
  3. danielpalos

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    only those who resort to the most fallacy, say that.
     
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    So true! Narrow minded anti gun control nuts tend to be ridiculous.
     
  5. dnsmith

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    Yes, You do resort to the most fallacy. And Daniel, if you believe I have ever posted a fallacy, quote me, instead of your unfounded accusations.
     
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    all of your rants are fallacy.
     
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    I don't rant. I post nothing but well supported opinions. Why don't you ever express and opinion that can be supported? Like I said, point out even one post on the subject at hand that I have made that was a fallacy. Your general accusations are comedic.
     
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    I try to have a sense of humor. I don't resort to fallacies and is that form of support for my opinions.
     
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    You fail! Virtually every one of your posts on this issue, and years ago in other issues, is/was fallacious. What humor you may have is dark humor eaten up by your fallacious imagination.
     
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    Now we know why we need public service warnings for Will Robinson.
     
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    Agreed! We need to watch you like a hawk to understand your whining and fallacious nature. :)
     
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    Better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia. It is always the solution.
     
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    Agreed, but you left out personal individuals who have rights to keep and bear arms as well. We have many more rights and expectations of infrastructure than you suggest. It is so right to have two well regulated militias who are ordained to have firearms. One is the organized militia in which their arms are issued, and the other which is unorganized and places every able bodied man, within the proper age parameters, with those men having the right to keep and bear individual arms.

    And don't forget the natural right of all people to self defense, hunting, and be prepared to fight a tyrannical government. Our government is approaching tyranny as it is now.

    That is a fact, and if you don't like it take your fallacious mind and stuff it.
     
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    natural rights are secured in State Constitutions and have nothing to do with out Second Amendment.
     
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    Natural rights are/were there with or with out the constitution. Statutory rights are guaranteed by the constitution. With or without the 2nd amendment which guarantees individuals the right to keep and bear arm, our NATURAL RIGHTS TO SELF DEFENSE, HUNTING FOR OUR FOOD,sport shooting, security for a non tyrannical government. WITH OUT GOVERNMENTAL INTERFERENCE.

    It is obvious that your cognitive dissonance clouds your judgement; and your disrespect for our founding fathers to have etched those rights in stone.
     
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    Here they are, codified for your legal benefit:

    All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.
     
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    Yes, the Militias are codified for the purpose of making it clear, to even dense people that the "militia argument" against personal ownership of firearms ddoes not work. Every single argument you have of yourself claiming firearms ONLY come with the militia has been conclusively. IE THERE IS NO ARGUMENT of reason which contradicts that proof. It is your cognitive dissonance which drives you to poor/wrong conclusions, period.
     
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    If you believe that why are so obstinate about accepting the 2 nd amendment does not give private citizens the right to keep and bear arms. The part about militias does not stop that private owner ship. There are 3 basic phrases, the operative phrase (independent) is "private citizens the right to keep and bear arms." .The subordinate phrases (dependent) "A well regulated Militia," and " being necessary to the security of a free State," are the two subordinate phrases.

    You should study to understand English, bot current and what is was in the 1770s to 1789.
     
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    natural rights have no militia requirement and are secured in State Constitutions, not our Second Amendment.

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    because, no rights in private property are secured by our Second Article of Amendment. Rights in private property are secured in State Constitution and available via Due Process.
     
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    When it comes to keeping and bearing firearms the US constitution guarantees individual rights to own firearms.
    As usual your cognitive dissonance is showing. The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT supports the 2nd amendment rights and over ruled any state which infringed on those rights.
     
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    Only for well regulated militia. The unorganized militia has no such exemption.
     
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    Based on US Code, both forms of militia are well regulated. Oh, and Daniel, you do know that "well regulated" only means that the law prescribes it as codified? Right?

    Regulate definition: regulated regulating
    : to bring under the control of authority : make rules concerning <Laws regulate water quality.>

    In the same fashion, '10 U.S. Code ยง 311 - Militia: composition and classes' is under the control of authority and rules are created to describe the what and who. So again, Daniel. YOU LOSE because of your cognitive dissonance. First you need to be able to read. Then you have to understand. It seems you fail at both.
     
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    no dear; they are not the same. 10USC311 clearly defines the militia.
     
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    Wow, of course it does, but well regulated types, the organized and the unorganized, explaining that either or both well regulated militias is an extra justification of the right for private citizens. and the regulation (law) is right there for everyone to read. Thank you for finally recognizing that.
     
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    the unorganized militia does not enjoy Second Amendment privileges and is subject to the police power as a result.
     

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