During Tenure In Russia, Edward Snowden Has Kept A Low Profile

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  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Although his supporters have been insisting otherwise, even the Russians are now admitting it.

    NPR did this story on him recently:

    "MARK GALEOTTI: The point at which he put his first foot on Russian soil - at that point, he was bought and paid for.

    KELLY: That's Mark Galeotti, an authority on Russia spy agencies, also a professor at NYU. He believes Snowden has almost certainly shared what he knows - secrets about NSA operations - with his Russian hosts. I put this question to Frants Klintsevich. He's the equivalent of a senator here in Russia and deputy chairman of the powerful defense and security committee.

    FRANTS KLINTSEVICH: (Speaking Russian).

    KELLY: "Let's be frank," he says. "Snowden did share intelligence. This is what security services do," adds Klintsevich. "If there's a possibility to get information, they will get it." It's a possibility that Snowden's lawyer, Ben Wizner of the ACLU, denies."


    Of course there was enough evidence before, with Snowden's frequent lies, to know he was a Russian collaborator, but when even the Russians finally admit it, I wonder if his fan club will continue to stick with him?
     
  2. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Snowden needs to be captured and made an example of. We also need to know what he gave the Russians and anyone else he came into contact with, so Obama should ask the Russians what they want in exchange for him and give it to them, but I'm quite certain that if Obama wasn't president he'd be calling Snowden a hero.
     
  3. Lil Mike

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    If Obama had never been President, I would agree he would be calling him a hero, but since this bit of treason happened during Obama's Presidency, and Snowden explicitly mentioned that one of the reasons that he did it was because he thought Obama would actually bring change, and then did the same old thing. I suspect that Obama takes this personally.
     
  4. Jim Rockford

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    Snowdens' country turned their backs on him. He came out to inform us all. Whistle blowers have protections. But only if We stand up for them. Snowden should never had to leave his country behind.
     
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    Of course he gave the Evil Empire of Russian information in exchange fir them letting him stay there. He needs to be hunted down and if we cannot bring him in fir a nice fair trial and punishment the POS traitor needs to be assassinated. He deserves to be treated as what he is , a traitorous dog.
     
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    Snowden left his country behind in fact he betrayed his country he is not a whistle blower he is a traitorous pig and should be slaughtered just like the pig that he is.
     
  7. Steve N

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    Traitors and whistle blowers are two different things.
     
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    Yup and Swoden us a traitor. Traitors are about as low as pedophiles and need to be executed just as pedophiles should be.m
     
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    if Snowden didn't help us we'd still be thinking the government, corporations, or neighbors, all of who could be good or bad guys, weren't listening to our phone calls and reading our emails.

    whatever he did for Russia was to save himself from what we didn't do to protect his freedom of speech.
     
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    It was not whistleblowing when he released thousands of documents on legal and Constitutional foreign intelligence collection.
     
  11. AtsamattaU

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    I cannot believe people are still defending Snowden. Talk about standing on the wrong side of history. All this bogus fretting over the NSA supposedly listening to our phone conversations and reading our emails, ignoring the fact that no U.S. citizen has been prosecuted for something the NSA overheard in a phone conversation or read in an email. Snowden may not have had malicious intent, but he is a narcissist and a damn fool, and he's a defector to Russia. Write him off already.
     
  12. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    I'm split about Snowden.. On the one hand, he helped the Russians, which I don't like. On the other, he exposed US espionage in the EU, which was very good.
     
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    If a jury considered some talking head's opinion as evidence, I guess he would be convicted. They convinced you. Of course, he probably also told them about the purple people eater with death ray vision that was being nested in low altitude satellites, the squads of flying monkeys and (*)(*)(*)(*) like that. If you are going to "report" this kind of story, why not include all of it?

    Imagination is a terrible thing to waste.

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    One thing we know for sure. If you were in Snowdens place, you wouldn't be sharing intelligence with Russia. Or anybody. Couldn't happen.
     
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    Frankly as far as I'm concerned the guy needs some medal.He was acting
    as a Whistleblower.He was revealing how sneaky and corrupt this Government
    can get under certain Presidencies.Under Obama Whistleblowers are not protected.
    In fact they are the ones penalized,harassed and persecuted.So right there tells
    how screwed up this Gov'mint is.Listen to Mark Levin on YouTube as he
    plays part of the Senate hearing where Ted Cruz questions Homeland Security
    Secretary Jeh Johnson.Johnson Lies and played dumb,time and time again.
    Just try and tell me we don't desperately need those like a Snowden.
    I drastically differ with those Talk Radio guys like Hugh Hewitt,Dennis Prager and
    Mark Levin on this.I want more americans like Snowden.He is performing a public
    service.Our Gov'mint is pulling the wool over our eyes.
     
  15. Lil Mike

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    I've been following this case from the beginning, and Snowden has been lying from the beginning. As far as being convicted, don't worry about what some talking head thinks. Let him come home and face trial.
     
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    Snowden was naive... the Kremlin used him and why wouldn't they, everyone spies on everyone, my god even my neighbour spies on me :roflol:

    If one of my kids one day say to me, mum I'm going to blow the whistle on whatever issue, I would absolutely advise them against it, whistleblowers always end up worse off than any of the parties involved.

    Instead he should have done the same thing as the Panama Papers "whistleblower" release info to journalist consortium and remain anonymous.
     
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    This is one positive reason for Trump. If Trump's to be believed, a reset of relations might allow us to bring Snowden back to the US for trials. He committed treason and sabotaged our security system.
     
  18. Heinrich

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    Snowden shared American government extensive internet and phone surveillance of U.S. citizens (known as Prism) with the entire world, not only the Russians. That was the whole point of him spilling the beans. The English were doing the same to their own citizens only on a greater scale than the Americans. Remarkably, Americans and English people seem more concerned to demonize the whistle-blower than the loss of their own privacy.
     
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    He was not a whistle blower he leaked the names of CI's against AQ and ISIS.
     
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    Americans are the only ones in the world with a rare breed who stand on principle and face the consequences, Snowden is a true American hero and patriot who is suffering in exile for the sins of America.

    the foreigners who want to be heroes without consequences are good, but cannot receive the same admiration for their courage.
     
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    He stole, he’s a thief, he stole highly classified information and practically gave it to the Russians, he betrayed his country … you just had Independence Day, I dare you, say the words loud, “I love what Edward Snowden did, I love my country in one sentence”… see how that makes you feel….rare breed indeed.

    The damage he did to America is by far greater than what he revealed, we all knew the internet is not secure, we’ve got so many hackers around anyway, so they record text messages, spy on phone calls… really??… big deal, I’m not surprised. But to reveal the NSA techniques to the enemy? To steal a mountain of documents, god knows what’s in them and hand them over to the Russians!!!… you should be very angry.


    Well he can always come home and suffer in jail or did foreigners charge him with espionage too :rolleyes:

    When he’s sitting in jail for the rest of his life, you can tell his parents and family it was worth it, he’s young, he has no children, no marriage and no future… but hey, some person on the internet is proud of him so… good job buddy
     
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    rich Americans and the few with higher education in computers knew everyone spies on everyone and the ways in which it is done, but much of the middle class and poor had no clue. America is not a country which only protects the intelligent and rich, but also the ignorant, poor, and meek.


    he is already in exile from the country he loves, that is enough punishment no need for jail.
     
  23. Heinrich

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    The only damage Snowden did was to embarrass the American government that spies on its own citizens and allies.

    American citizens are not the enemy.

    Barack Obama is not god.
     
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    Clearly you are as naive as Snowden and possibly more

    Snowden’s Gift to Russia and China
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/snowdens-gift-to-russia-and-china-1434320274
    He steals 1.77 million NSA documents hand it over to Russia and you make stupid statements like "Americans are not the enemy", top that with even dumber "he did no damage" and then unbelievably goes and out dumb both those with "Obama is not god"
     
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    But in following, it appears you missed the fact that Snowden has offered to return and stand trial. All he asked was that he be able to defend his actions based on the motivations he had. Our honorable government refused. They do not want to allow him any freedom in defending himself, they want to control and limit the nature of the defense ahead of the fact. Why are they afraid to allow him to defend on the grounds of his motive? Because that would require that they answer that and disprove it. They don't want that to take that risk, to give it a chance to influence the court and be exposed in such a legitimate forum. Your government spies on you (and everybody) without probable cause, tracks your movements, your money and your communications, lies to you and steals from you, and you trust them. Apparently, you failed to notice or care about the lies of government but are deeply concerned with the character of the guy who outed them.

    Government desperately needs a moral housecleaning and America desperately needs a moral government. That will never happen unless the truth is both exposed (More Snowdens) and people quit helping them sweep it under the rug (less like you).

    I'm in favor of America being the best it can be, strong and honorable- and that starts with a respectable, honorable government. What are you for?
     

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