Please note that there is still some redacted information within the 28 pages, however, here it is, finally. http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/declasspart4.pdf
There was another thread started in this forum with regard to the release of the 28 redacted pages: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...-secret-28-pages-alleged-saudi-9-11-ties.html Please use this thread, which is of course in the "conspiracy theories" section to post opinions on conspiracy theories associated with the partially declassified 28 pages.
I have now read the 28 pages, and it was pretty much what I expected, insignificant in the big picture. Yes, the nominal hijackers lived and trained in the US, and they had financial assistance from other Saudis connected to the government there. Big deal. I wonder if this material will be helpful to those trying to sue the Saudi government? It does not appear so to me.
Saudi involvement will only enforce the "OCT" ... the truthers are in a quagmire ... did the Saudis rig the buildings for CD ... the whole truther cluster(*)(*)(*)(*) of opinions is falling apart ... you can't have it both ways ...
It is a part of the OCT, that's not questionable. The implication is that there were "9/11 hijackers" who were possibly funded by the Saudi government. The 28 pages try to reinforce the Official Conspiracy Theory. By doing that however, it also implies that the Bush administration covered up for the Saudi government, which is of course an act of treason. The problem for Bush and his complicit administration is whether there is any truth to the allegations about the Saudis or not is irrelevant to the FACT that they deliberately covered it up. Non sequitur irrelevant nonsense. Not likely, I don't believe the Saudis have any professional CD experts anywhere in their kingdom. It's also non sequitur irrelevant nonsense, it has nothing to do with the 28 pages. Ditto (nonsense). What is constantly further falling apart is the OCT, but that fell apart long ago. Defending it nearly daily isn't going to help to legitimize it. Ditto (nonsense). Who can't have what "both ways"? Try to stay on topic if you're capable.
The redacted 28 pages, deliberately classified for the Bush Administration's personal gain. This is what the now declassified 28 pages represent. The "Chilcot Report" for George W. Bush: https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/35articlesImpeachment.pdf There's also a War Crimes trial in absentia for Bush and others in his administration: http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/ And the opinion of Vincent Bugliosi, former prosecutor in the trial of Charles Manson. The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prosecution_of_George_W._Bush_for_Murder And last but far from least, the Senate Intelligence Committee Report on Torture Report. https://www.amnestyusa.org/pdfs/sscistudy1.pdf 9/11 and its classification (coverup) was conducted under the Bush administration's watch, that's not conspiracy theory, that's reality. The same bunch described in the above documents. To defend the OCT is to defend these people, there's no way around that. They are the ones who own the OCT, including everything that was and is still "classified" (e.g. NIST's 9/11 data).
you are all over the place Bob ... the 28 pages have nothing to do with your outlandish theories concerning 9/11 ... but hey, you finally got your 28 pages ... have a drink on me ...
I am not, the OCT is though. There is an enormous amount to it and if you're overwhelmed, it's understandable, everyone should be. I try to cover as much as I reasonably can given what I've researched. They represent a part of everything to do with the US government agenda. The OCT is an outlandish theory, everything else pales in comparison. I didn't need them for me, I knew what it represents (without knowing its exact content) more than a decade ago. Like I said, the FACT that they were classified is just one indicator that PROVES Bush's treason. That is not conspiracy theory, it's conspiracy FACT and I'm far from the only one who recognizes the OBVIOUS.
Anything that bases its argument on the idea that there were hijackers is disinfo designed to cause confusion. It was proven a long time ago that there were no hijackers. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456423&p=1066183060#post1066183060
Found an article written by a woman who was widowed on 9/11 and signed by 3 others (perhaps they are the "Jersey Girls"?), I thought it was pretty good... 29 Pages Revealed: Corruption, Crime and Cover-up Of 9/11
I can certainly agree that it's unlikely that any of the alleged hijackers actually hijacked any of the 9/11 planes. That being said, I certainly believe that some of them were set up to be patsies, in the same way that I believe Oswald was set up to be a patsy. And I certainly believe that some Saudi officials were complicit in getting this done.
The Saudis had nothing to do with 9-11.. Read the 28 redacted pages again carefully. Saudi students have been coming to the US since the early 1950s .. and they always help the newcomer find an apartment, enroll in school and open a bank account.. and they all have sponsors back in Arabia.. - - - Updated - - - The Saudis had nothing to do with 9-11.. Read the 28 redacted pages again carefully. Saudi students have been coming to the US since the early 1950s .. and they always help the newcomer find an apartment, enroll in school and open a bank account.. and they all have sponsors back in Arabia.. - - - Updated - - - The Saudis had nothing to do with 9-11.. Read the 28 redacted pages again carefully. Saudi students have been coming to the US since the early 1950s .. and they always help the newcomer find an apartment, enroll in school and open a bank account.. and they all have sponsors back in Arabia..
They are, I posted the same article in post #28: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...ecret-28-pages-alleged-saudi-9-11-ties-3.html Where Margot's response was:
The pages are unsearchable as they are in pdf picture format, but I found this bit from The Guardian: **Perhaps most intriguingly, the 28 pages reveal that Osama Basnan, whom the documents describe as a supporter of two of the 9/11 hijackers in California, received a cheque from Prince Bandar, the former Saudi ambassador to the US. On at least one occasion, Bassnan received a check directly from Prince Bandars account, it says. According to the FBI, on May 14, 1998, Bassnan cashed a check from Bandar in the amount of $15,000. Bassnans wife also received at least one check directly from Bandar. Basnan lived across the street from two of the hijackers Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi in San Diego and told an FBI asset that he had helped them, according to the document. Basnan was allegedly a supporter of al-Qaida mastermind Osama bin Laden and spoke of him as if he were a god.** Source: 9/11 report's classified '28 pages' about potential Saudi Arabia ties released | The Guardian
Wait! It is not politically correct to blame Bush. Instead, we must say BLAME OBAMA! After all, that is the Supreme Law of the Land, the known Universe, and of God himself. This is what the politically correct right wingers say so it must be true.
Of course... They rented a furnished home for themselves and their five children.. and then there was his wife's breast cancer treatment.
Previously, you had stated that it was Omar al-Bayoumi's wife Manal Bajadr who was getting breast cancer treatment: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456423&page=8&p=1066222526#post1066222526 Now you claim it was Osama Basnan's wife Majed Dweikat's who was undergoing the treatment. I have found no evidence that either Bayoumi's wife or Basnan's wife were receiving breast cancer treatment. This is what I -did- find of Osama Basnan and his wife Majeda Dweikat, and Omar al-Bayoumi and his wife Manal Bajadr: **Princess Haifa bint Faisal, the wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US, begins sending monthly cashiers checks of between $2,000 and $3,500 (accounts differ) to Majeda Dweikat, the Jordanian wife of Osama Basnan, a Saudi living in San Diego. Accounts also differ over when the checks are first sent (between November 1999 and about March 2000; a Saudi government representative will state December 4, 1999). [FOX NEWS, 11/23/2002] Basnans wife signs many of the checks over to her friend Manal Bajadr, the wife of Omar al-Bayoumi. The payments are made through Riggs Bank, a bank which appears to have turned a blind eye to Saudi embassy transaction and also has longstanding ties to covert CIA operations (see July 2003). [NEWSWEEK, 11/22/2002; NEWSWEEK, 11/24/2002; GUARDIAN, 11/25/2002; WASHINGTON TIMES, 11/26/2002] Did the Money Go to the Hijackers? - Some will later suggest that the money from the wife of the Saudi ambassador passes through the al-Bayoumi and Basnan families as intermediaries and ends up in the hands of future 9/11 hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar. The payments from Princess Haifa continue until May 2002 and may total $51,000, or as much as $73,000. [NEWSWEEK, 11/22/2002; MSNBC, 11/27/2002] While living in the San Diego area, al-Bayoumi and Basnan are heavily involved in helping with the relocation of, and offering financial support to, Saudi immigrants in the community. [LOS ANGELES TIMES, 11/24/2002] In late 2002, al-Bayoumi will claim he does not pass any money along to the hijackers. [WASHINGTON TIMES, 12/4/2002] Basnan and Al-Bayoumi Are Close Friends - Basnan will variously claim to know al-Bayoumi, not to know him at all, or to know him only vaguely. [ABC NEWS, 11/25/2002; ARAB NEWS, 11/26/2002; ABC NEWS, 11/26/2002; MSNBC, 11/27/2002] However, early reports will say Basnan and his wife are very good friends of al-Bayoumi and his wife. Both couples live at the Parkwood Apartments at the same time as the two hijackers; prior to that, the couples lived together in a different apartment complex. In addition, the two wives will be arrested together in April 2001 for shoplifting. [SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE, 10/22/2002] According to an FBI agent who investigates Basnan after 9/11, Basnan and al-Bayoumi are close friends. For instance, phone call records will show that there are about 700 calls from various phone numbers between Basnan and al-Bayoumi in a one year period. The agent will add that even if one discounted some of the calls given that their wives are friends, the calls between the cell phones are most likely between Basnan and al-Bayoumi. [9/11 COMMISSION, 11/17/2003 pdf file]** Source: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=manal_bajadr
I thought you were talking about al Bayoumi. - - - Updated - - - In April 1998, Osama Basnan, a Saudi national living in California, wrote to Haifa requesting money for his wife's needed thyroid surgery.
Alright. Could you provide some evidence that al-Bayoumi's wife, aka Manal Bajadr, was getting breast cancer treatment? You are such a trusting soul when it comes to the official narrative concerning 9/11. Are you even aware that it was Basnan himself who made the claim that he had made that request? If you dig into Basnan's history, you would also know that Basnan's word is not exactly very credible, seeming to change his story regarding his relationship with Bayoumi depending on what investigators were already aware of...