The US gun death problem

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Vegas giants, Oct 28, 2016.

  1. DoctorWho

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    Sure it is, everybody shoost one Criminal and no moar crime.
    Simple.
     
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    As said....its not working
     
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    Yes it is working.

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    Clearly it is not
     
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    Surely you jest.
     
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    Listen closely as those around you speak; great truths are revealed in jest. Javan
     
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    A new non-divided spirit in this country following a new leadership will help reduce the 20,000 out of 30,000 gun deaths that are suicides!
     
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    "Gun bans and gun control schemes are all irrational, dangerous, and encourage gun crime."

    "Gun bans and gun control schemes are all irrational, dangerous, and encourage crime."

    FIFY.

    Crime does not always entail the use of Guns and Guns do not = Crime.
     
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    Waaaaa? Cherry picked conflated and no source cited

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    Unsupported gobbledegook
     
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    So you say and wish to believe, and cannot prove.
     
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    Yeah, now he is an expert on the British Parachute Regiment. The UK is now inhabited by white Muslims and Fox News is his fav viewing, if you want the truth listen to Bill O’Rielly ‘I was in a war zone and bullets were whistling round my head. The Brits had rifles that could fire for over a thousand miles. It’s true I tell you’

    I’ll leave him to his fantasies.
     
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    Then perhaps the united states has reached the point where such is the appropriate course of action. Perhaps instead of trying to prohibit illicit substances from the public, government should instead step back and allow nature to take its course. Allow everyone who wishes to indulge in cocaine, heroin and various other substances to do so, and drop dead from overdoses on tainted drugs. Allow the body count to reach the hundreds of thousands, leaving the deceased to lay in the streets, on sidewalks, back alleys and rain gutters where they fall. Allow their decomposing and soiled corpses to rot where everyone in the public can see them, and know for themselves what the cost of illicit substances is to society. Let the dead lay on the pavement in a public demonstration of the dangers of what the people want, showing that the death awaiting anyone who wishes to try heroin is unattractive.

    Eventually the matter of heroin addiction will solve itself under such a plan, because everyone wishing to try it will be dead, and there will be no one left wishing to experiment with it or any other such substance. Their families will be ripped asunder by their selfish idiocy, leaving the survivors to advocate against engaging in such activities, and speaking as a voice of reason and experience as to the danger posed.

    Saving lives sometimes means ending lives. Not every single individual can be saved from their own destructive impulses, that is a mere fact of life.


    If they are regularly going ignored, unenforced, and doing nothing more than gathering dust at trial, then such would indeed be the case. If something is not used then it has no justification for existing.
     
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    Dead criminals do not commit new offenses against the public.

    Pray tell what makes the life of a career criminal just as important, if not even more important, than the lives of those they will victimize for their own benefit? Why do they deserved consideration, when they do not consider others?
     
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    And your position is invalid to many in the united states because you have stated their constitution is of no importance to you.
     
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    And perhaps this is the America you want where hundreds of thousands of lives are destroyed by addiction. That is just sad

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    Prove your claim. I sad the constitution was on NO importance to me.....or do we have another opinion here?

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    I have never said such a thing....this is all your opinion
     
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    Those lives are already destroyed, there are People with self Destructive behavior built in or conditioned by their environment or Parents, friends etc.... You can't save People from themselves, I found this out the hard way, and I sure tried.
     
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    No, this thread is not an opportunity to discuss those various situations, each with its own cause and solution and ramifications to society. Your OP #1 is so incredibly vague its like asking people to provide solutions for world peace.


    It takes 2 - and it goes away if one person simply refrains from responding to the other.
     
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    They are already suffering from addiction and destroyed lives, despite very strict, national laws that outlaw such substances under all circumstances, leaving no hypothetical situation in which their use would ever be legal. Despite these laws, the number of individuals developing addiction and suffering from overdose-related deaths continue to skyrocket, and the law can do nothing to stop it from occurring, or even slow it down.

    Once again, perhaps the proper course of action is to simply allow those with drug addictions to kill themselves freely, until the body count of heroin use becomes so high, absolutely no one will ever wish to even consider use of the drug ever again.

    We have you going on record telling others to not discuss the united states constitution with you, because you consider the loss of life to be more urgent than protections against government overreach. Do you deny telling others to not discuss the constitution with you?

    Then if you have never said such a thing, stop making demands that firearms ownership should be made contingent upon satisfying arbitrarily selected and set government standards on what constitutes being trained, and what does not, because it will do absolutely nothing to even slow down the rate of criminals illegally acquiring firearms that the public will not be able to get legally.
     
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    Its really upsetting that you don't seem to understand what a constitutional right is. but then again the BM members tend to see the constitution as a speed bump in their race to disarm honest Americans.


    Why are you mentally unable or unwilling to understand the difference between USE restrictions vs POSSESSION restrictions
     
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    You wish to add to the numbers of addicted by many magnitudes of ten. That is horrible. Standards should never be arbitrary. They should be well thought out which is all I have ever proposed

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    Thank you for your opinion
     
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    most of those are unconstitutional or won't work in a society were there are already tons of guns

    try again
     
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    I disagree
     
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    no we don't. most of our gun deaths are suicides

    stuff not relevant to your desired gun control schemes. 80% of all gun deaths are criminals, and 80% or more of those doing the killing are CRIMINALS-people who cannot legally own guns

    as this country has added MILLIONS (of mainly semi automatic pistols and rifles) to the guns in circulation, GUN DEATHS have gone DOWN
     
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    They have not gone down near enough....not by a longshot
     
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    if every intended victim of a violent crime would kill the attacker, we'd have a very low rate of violent crime.

    you do know that violent crime is going down and violent crime is mainly a proclivity of those living in democrat party controlled cities

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    violent crime is going down. are you just ignoring reality or -more likely-your real motivation for wanting to ban guns is not due to an HONEST desire to control crime but rather a nefarious desire to harass the gun owners who don't buy into your political agenda? You constantly make comments that are contrary to known reality
     

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