OBE has not been verified. It is like claiming bigfoot is verified because someone said they saw one.
Gee who to believe????????????? You................an otherwise anonymous poster or Dr Sam Parnia, Assistant Professor of Critical Care Medicine and Director of Resuscitation Research at The State University of New York at Stony Brook, USA, and the study’s lead author of the largest Near Death Experiences study published. That's a tough one. HMmmmmm. I think I'll take what behind door number 2. He verified what was experienced during the OBE what could only be ascertained by someone having an OBE.
He made a claim, that he didn't and can't support. It's no different that the guy who said he saw bigfoot. Just like the guy who saw bigfoot verified what was experienced seeing bigfoot as could only be ascertained by someone having seen bigfoot. It's just as moronic.
Got to hand it to that Lord Xenu for asking simple and direct to the point questions of pastors who have an NDE! http://www.thequickenedword.com/rhema/BobJonesTestimonyAugust81975DeathExperience.htm
I watched the Lord speak to people that were coming there. And He asked them only one question: “Did you learn to love?” He’s not going to ask you what you did. If you learn to love you are going to do that which is right. Did you learn to love? (3) He would ask them that question and they would say, Yes Lord and He would kiss them right on the lips and embrace them and the double doors of His heart would open and they would go right on in. Gay. I'd rather go to hell
The final Elijah....... must somehow "restore the tribes of Israel...." which will put this person and his / her helpers into the realm of politics.......... NDE accounts are one important way to get Christians to lighten up.... calm down...... and think...... Look at the poll results here on a Christian forum..... http://www.christianforums.com/threads/gods-many-plans-for-the-gay-community.7728763/ Do you Agree That God Has Plans For The Gay Community? * Yes, God owns this studio, we are the actors playing out our role! 12 vote(s) 27.3% No, God would never compromise one millionth of an inch with sin!!!! 12 vote(s) 27.3% * Yes, deep down we all love God and He has good planned for all of us. 16 vote(s) 36.4% I have really never considered this idea before??? 12 vote(s) 27.3%
I can identify with that sentiment........................ but..... Former Atheist Howard Storm said that hell......... was a rougher type of Gay?????! http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/howard-storm.html#a01 - - - Updated - - - An unlike Rahl......I'm not so totally anonymous since I use my own name online...... www.BankingSystemFlaws.blogspot.ca/
Hm. He sounds like the kind of "former atheist" who wasn't an atheist on the basis of sound reason and a proper sense of scepticism. I wonder why he thinks an NDE should be anything other than a dream or hallucination? Seems to me he was predisposed to attribute it to a religious experience. This is why science is so important to progress. Without scientific methodology, there is no good way separate fact from fiction. The revolutionary advancement in medicine and technology that we are still in the midst of even today has come about thanks to science, and at the same time the associated explosion in accumulated knowledge has pretty thoroughly debunked religious claims that had dominated the collective thinking of our ancestors. We can say with a good amount of certainty that creationism is false and that gods, angels, demons, jinn, etc. are figments of the imagination and the stuff of fiction, often misused by some to manipulate others gullible enough to listen, whether in a cult or a larger religion. When people have an NDE and believe it to be somehow genuine, they revert to a more primitive way of thinking. I can only conclude that they do this out of a basic fear of death and a desire to escape it. Religion is escapism from the reality before our eyes and attested to by science.
Atheists can believe in the after life free from any religion. Pumping someone full of drugs to get them to see lights is a laughable dismissal of OBEs and proves nothing.
Near death experiencers report an afterlife that is indeed essentially free from religion as we know it! http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09
This is an interesting answer to the o.p. question...... http://www.near-death.com/science/research/satan.html#a10 Why the Being of Light in NDEs is Not Satan
Interesting article. https://thesearchforlifeafterdeath....-the-nature-of-god-in-near-death-experiences/ New Study Reveals the Nature of God in Near-Death Experiences ......
The spirituality and simplicity taught by the being of light of NDE fame..... even to Atheists....... profoundly changes how they view the purpose of life..... and the value of this life.
Here is a somewhat more clear explanation as to why this question has became such an obsession with me....... http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...chael-phelps-story-certainly-encouraging.html The Michael Phelps story is certainly encouraging.... His openness about low his life and mental state was just a couple of years ago... .and yet how he got turned around.... can serve as a true inspiration to thousand of people. My wife read this article to me while I drove her to work this morning..... a profoundly encouraging story.
Here is an interesting question regarding the attitude and intentions of the being of light of NDE fame! http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=477974&p=1066696330#post1066696330
Back when I was a member of the Worldwide Church of God, if I had passed this particular near death experience to one of the pastors, a high percentage of them would have found the following paragraphs almost offensive. We tend to think that God and the Messiah should view other churches..... or religious groups, much as we do ourselves. http://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/betty-malz.html
Interesting theory! If the most fundamental energy..... most ancient intelligence / Intelligence..... actually spoke through Isaiah then....... G-d is something of an Agnostic........ or even an Atheist?! Or... does G-d believe in H-mself / H-rself? Isa 45:22 Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Isa 44:8
Nice to see we can agree on something People hallucinate when they're near death, I think specifically when they are recovering and returning to life and consciousness.
Actually I am a Christian Universalist with Hebraic Roots who is open to the possibility that the Prophet Muhammad, (peace be upon him), may have had either a near death experience, or an out of the body experience, or at least an open vision of heaven........ and if I remember correctly of hell as well. Prophets are still human beings... and prophets.... make errors and misunderstand their own visions to at least some degree.... and they certainly get the wrong impression regarding the full meaning of the words of other prophets. For example.... The Apostle Paul.... .was amazing... but he was far more influenced by the Rabbinic ideas on women's role in society than Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was. An interesting role is coming up that many gifted actors should soon begin to plan for....... IF.... a Christian or Jew can be deceived into thinking that the being of light of NDE fame is usually a fallen angel impersonating the Messiah / Moshiach or HaShem .....THEN.... it will be no surprise if they could also come to believe that the final Elijah and/ or Moshiach ben Ephrayim / Yosef/ Messiah son of Joseph..... and/or a modern Prophet like unto Moses..... would be some sort of anti-Christ/ anti- Messiah / anti- Moshiach. http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=288721&page=27&p=1066904999#post1066904999 Thread: Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple may be least expensive way to stabilize climate?
Heaven Next, my angel escorted me to heaven passing through a big dazzling white tunnel. I never experienced this much peace and joy in my life. Then immediately heaven opened up and I heard the most delightful music, which I never heard before. The angels were singing and praising God. I saw all the saints, especially the Blessed Mother and St. Joseph, and many dedicated holy Bishops and priests who were shining like stars. And when I appeared before the Lord, Jesus told me: I want you to go back to the world. In your second life, you will be an instrument of peace and healing to My people. You will walk in a foreign land and you will speak in a foreign tongue. Everything is possible for you with My grace.. After these words, the Blessed Mother told me: Do whatever He tells you. I will help you in your ministries. Words can not express the beauty of heaven.. There we find so much peace and happiness, which exceed a million times our imagination. Our Lord is far more beautiful than any image can convey. His face is radiant and luminous and more beautiful than a thousand rising suns. The pictures we see in the world are only a shadow of His magnificence.. The Blessed Mother was next to Jesus; She was so beautiful and radiant. None of the images we see in this world can compare with Her real beauty. Heaven is our real home; we are all created to reach heaven and enjoy God forever. Then, I came back to the world with my angel. full story here. http://www.courageouspriest.com/priest-sees-bishops-priests-heaven-hell-death-experience