Israel announces plan to create 2,500 settlements in Palestinian-controlled territory

You know this is not true; if not, then the Israelis never invaded Jordan.
Since they did invade Jordan, it must be true.

None of these entities can nullify the treaty signed between Israel and Jordan that ended the controversy under international law and made the WB part of the state of Israel.

The mere fact that there are 800k fewer Palestinians in the WB than in 1967 in no way proves ethnic cleansing.
That's your non seq.

 

No. You cannot. You have no capacity whatsoever to provide support for your claim, and you know it.

... Arabs consider the whole of Palestine as indivisible and will not accept any "deal" that includes the continuation of Israel.

 

But of course they want to go back, everybody want to go and live in Israel!. Ask Palestinian Israelis, they will STRONGLY consider leaving Jerusalem, if any part of it falls under Palestinian jurisdiction (not that they have to worry about that happening much).

Nobody wants to live in Palestinian heaven

 

Do Jews have the right to return to their properties, at the expense of the Arab?

 

You? You, who is telling everyone to "find your own damn link and source", complaining that someone "have not mentioned or linked your source?

Some nerve

 

Now, to me this sounds like you are suggesting that "ethnic cleansing" and "civil and religious rights" protection are the same thing.

And, I'd have to point out that one involves stealing their homes, their farms, their water rights, etc.

And, imposing foreign military law with an army of occupation has nothing to do with "civil and religious" rights, either. It's the most total form of disenfranchisement possible.

I'm really sick of this level of sophistry. Do you actually think ANYONE in the entire world believes that kind of nonsense? I, for one, doubt that anywhere near a majority even of Israeli Jews believe that kind of blatant lying.

 

notme suggested that when Israel doesnt let the refugees go back to their houses and retrieve their prperty is a violaton of their civil rights. What I showed with sources, that according to laws that were existed in 1953 in Israel regarding this subject shows that Israel actuall offered the Arabs the oppurtynity to retrieve their property or, at least, get financial compensation as the international law requires in this kind of situatons. Hence, Israel didnt violated their civil rights, but actually provide them the oppurtunity to retrieve their property., but the Arabs never came to the Develoment Aothurity to demend this kind of compensations.

As I showed earlier, the Arabs got oppurtunity to retrieve their property or, at least, get financial compensation as the international law requires in this situations. The Arabs simply didnt demend it from the Develoment Aothurity. Does it Israel fault that the Arabs didnt come tand demend thier stuff, when there were laws in Israel that gave them the oppurtunity to get it back?

There is no occupation in the WB, according to Article 2 of the 4th GC, which states "what is an occupation".
As Prof. Stone stated:

Support to Stone’s assertion can be found in Lauterpacht’s writing, which was a judge in the ICJ:

Source: http://www.mythsandfacts.org/media/user/documents/Eli Hertz Reply 4-21-05D.pdf

Thus, because Jordan cannot show such title to the West Bank, then Israel took the WB from no one. Therefore, according to international conventions, there is no occupation.

If you dont believe in laws that showed here, it's not my problem.

 

Today, there are Arab citizens of Israel, living IN Israel, that are not allowed possession of the property they owned when they left due to war.

And, this topic in general is NOT about Jordon, it is about Palestine.

 

They or their perants/grandparents had the oppurtunity in 1953 to come to the Develpment Aothurity and to demend what is their. This is grand them their territory back orfinancial compensation as the international law requires in this situations. So now you are blaming Israel because the Arabs didnt demend what is theirs from the Development Aothurity?

Correct, but you stated about "occupation", so I simply showed you that according to an international convention, there is no "occupation" in the WB, due to the fact that Jordan couldnt shows a title such as "High Contracting Party" regarding to the WB. Therefore, as I stated, there is no "occupation".

 

Your Jordon thing demonstrates how totally irrational these arguments can possibly get.

Israel is carrying out ethnic cleansing in West Bank.

There is no disputing that.

Israel is ruling much of West Bank under Israeli military law, while Israelis living on stolen land in West Bank are being ruled under Israeli civilian law.

 

In the WB there are two rules:
1) Israeli control over Area C.
2) the PA control over Areas A and B. (in Area B the IDF is responsible for the security issues only)

This two rules are according to Oslo Accords that was signed in 1995. Both Arafat and the Israeli government agreed to it. Are you against this agreement that got support from all over the world? Are you against this an agreement that specify in it that within 5 years from the signing, the two sides will come together once again and will form, with the assistance of the US, a perminant agreement? (this "coming together" thing really happend, but Arafat didnt approve the US solution regarding the WB, with Israel's support, which was 97% of the WB will be under the "Palestinian country", and the rest 3% will go from exchange of territories.)

 

the rights protected by Article 80 cease to exist once the Mandate is concluded

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

Neah. There never was a honest offer ever. The start point of the negotiations is that green line as is demanded by the ENTIRE world. That means East Jerusalem, WB, Gaza and Golan are not part of Israel. Further more the UN has demanded since 1948 that the Palestinians got the RIGHT to return. And what the Jew nation offers is far and far less.

 

I find it ironic that Israel would appeal to parts of that one accord while ignoring the rest.

It's obvious that this situation needed a resolution for a couple decades now.

And, it is obvious that Israel sees its best path forward to be that of committing humanitarian crimes against Palestinians for economic benefit.

That needs to end.

Even the head of Mossad (I believe it was Meir Dagan) stated that Israeli policy with Palestine was a national security problem for the United States.

It's all well and good to be friends.

But, what Israel is doing in West Bank has NOTHING to do with national security for Israel and it needs to STOP. It puts a lie to the principles that America stands for, and makes it more difficult for the US to contribute to progress in the ME.

 

They invaded the WB occupied by Jordan. So says Israel.

Of course they can. Treaty forging politicians are not above international law when they break it.

Before the nakba there were almost a million Arabs in present day Israel. There were about 250 after the nakba, of which Israel refused the right of their return because of their race. That is ethnic cleansing.

 

Oh yeah.
Ask a Palestinian if you want to be racially discriminated in a country, or violently oppressed in a country. Well gee,... what would a person answer.

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Since they voluntary left,... doesn't look like it.

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I told the exact name of the report and when it was published and by who. That is giving away my source.

 

The starting position is that East Jerusalem, the WB, and Gaza are part of Palestine, that and the Palestinians have the right of return to their properties. What Israel proposed was nowhere close to that starting position.

 

How come millions still live in Israel ? Yet not 1 Jew can live in Palestine and no Jew can own land or be a citizen of Jordan. Its clear who the bigots are here


Same for the Arabs

 

UNR181 was not an honest offer? It was to establish an Palestinian state MUCH larger than the WB.
What happened? The Arabs refused the terms, started a civil war, and it fell apart.

The issue of the WB was resolved in negotiations between Israel and Jordan 1988-1994. No one's "starting line" matters as the territory falls inside the state of Israel, according to international law.

 

You and I both know you know this is false, as Jordan annexed the WB in 1950.
Still waiting for you to cite the UNSCR that took exception to this annexation.

You refuse to understand that treaties are international law; in this case, the treaty resolved the controversy surrounding the WB.
After the treaty went into force, nothing from the UN or any other body has any relevance or force.

Not according to any valid definition of the term.

 

The document of the Mandate was never concluded.

This conflict will not end until there will bea destruction of the state of Israel, and the Muslims will control all of the Land of Israel= the Waqf land, as it is detailed in the PLO (now we know it as "the PA) and Hamas.

The former head of the Mossad, Meir Dagan, can hold any kind of personal belief regarding the conflict, but today, after he is outside the security system, his opinion is only an opinion of a simple citizen, not more.

What needs to stop, for your opinion? Until you will not elaborate I can not reply poperly.

The Arabs got the oppurtunity to get back their properties back in 1953 with the absentee laws in Israel, when they needed to ge to the Development Aothurity and claims what their by land or by financial comensation- The Arabs did non of that.

 

In many cases they are destroying old Arab homes to build Jewish only homes.

Since Trump is a "negotiator" he should make the additional $40 billion in US foreign aid contingent upon returning the West Bank, Golan Heights and Shaaba Farms to their historic owners.

The Jews are smart and successful They don't need US taxpayer dollars and considering they get 100 times the aid that Haiti gets they ought to be ashamed to still be on the dole.

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You mean in 1953 when the Israelis planted bombs in Cairo to kill Americans and make it look like it was done by Arabs?

 

It's really sad how there is basically no revolutionary Palestinian movement outside of the Hamas anymore. They desperately need an Intifada to stop the ongoing campaign of ethnic cleansing by the Zionists. This will not be achieved by simply sitting around hoping that the Zionists will eventually stop building their Apartheid walls and it will also not be done by advocating anti-semitism and indiscriminatory terrorism the way the Hamas does.

 

Samaria, the Decapolis and the 5 cities of the Philistines were NEVER Jewish in the first place.

 

We are long pass boiling point, the only reason the Palestinians still are is because the Zionists dont want a genocide on their hands - but otherwise its a war of elimination, no side can tolerate the other side narrative or national existance, this is about culture, history, ethnics, religion, vengence - the worst of everything you can think of, 4-5 generations at nonestop war and no sign it will stop in the near futur either.