US changes it's stance on Assad

http://nypost.com/2017/03/31/us-changes-its-policy-on-assad-staying-in-power/

How you feel about this choice between two negatives ?

Is it better to leave Assad in Power or, for the Islamist Rebels.

To clarify - an "Islamist" wants strict sharia/theocracy to be the law of the land/political system.

Syria under Assad was a secular nation - no strict sharia, respect for individual rights and freedoms such as freedom of religion (Christian Churches). Freedom of expression (so long as you were not criticizing Assad). Drinking alcohol and dancing in Bars. Women did not need permission from a man to be educated and could wear skirts and normal bathing suits ... and so on.

The Islamist's hate individual rights and freedoms. They want a totalitarian police state like Saudi Arabia where adultery and apostasy (switching religion from Islam) get the death penalty. No freedom of religion - no churches other than Muslim. Oppression of any thoughts or actions that are thought to be in conflict with ultra strict interpretation of the Qu'ran. Religious police everywhere enforcing proper conduct ... and so on.

 

Funny how the WH has just adopted THE EXACT SAME narrative as the Russians have been promoting. Odd coincidence, isn't it?


Or not.

 

Finally the "smoking gun"! This must be what Trump agreed to do in exchange for that meddling.

 

The only thing that has happened is that the US has changed it's public position. Secretly, the US will still work to oust Assad, since kicking the Russians out of Tartus is the primary goal and part of US Geo-Strategy.

 

That moment, when you sound exactly like a most pure, refined propagandist on the globe.

Trust me, nothing ever is a concidence, but not everything is a collusion with Russians.

 

Well now that Obama managed to throw a prosperous and secular country into the stone age... and has demonized a leader trying to protect minorities against terrorists... and destroyed Europe in the meantime, I guess the globalists now feel Obama's work is done and Assad could stay.

Evil is as evil does ---

 

I think it was overdue and would have happened either way. US needs to cover its tracks - too many evil deeds in Syria.

 

Agreed - The question of the thread though is whether it would be better to have Assad or the radical Salafi Jihadists in power.

 

Sounds exactly like Iraq except of course that America messed up Iraq and Bush messed up Syria.

 

The way I see it is ....there's no way Assad can continue running the country in its present state, approx 8-10 mln displaced people and it's in ruins. Sooner or later he dangles or abdicates to russia.

 

No, the question is what does it matter to us?

 

You mean not trying to overthrow governments like the Obama and Hillary way? Isn't that what they castigate Bush for doing? Oh, the hypocrisy!

 

Thanks Obama.

 

It clearly matters to someone in the US. When our country is involved in wars overseas it matters to many.

 

I don't think it's only that. The US wants to hurt Russia economically and force it to comply with its liberal one world order, and they feel the only way to do it, is by cutting off Russia's pipe lines to the Mediterranean. Syria is essential to Russia survival.

 

Yeah, it is "or not", for trump ran on anti interventionism. Which is sanity, given he is looking at how these wars cost us trillions by the time the costs are tallied up. So, he looks to be sticking to his guns, for you know the neocons are frothing at the bits, planning his assassination.

For it never made sense to remove an elected secular leader and replace with what you see in Libya, thanks to Hillary and Obama. In fact it is utter insanity. He may be our greatest president since JFK, the last real president, until now.

 

Nonsense. Your way is utter insanity. If Russian Syrian relations become stronger, what is that to you, or the US? Removing secular elected leaders and replacing it with sharia, is not in our best interest. We need secular nations, not theocracies run by radicals who hate your guts and would love to saw off your head with a kitchen knife for shits and giggles.

 

Give people time to recover, and they will just elect somebody else. Don't be drammatic.

 

I agree with it. Assad is a brutal dictator, but he is no threat to us or his neighbors, and he is better than the alternative.

 

There would be no need to say one thing publically, for we can still get the news of Syria from foreign sources to tell if this is a ruse, as you think. Could the CIA work against trump? Yes, and I expect it. But if trump can stay in 8 years, he will clean that rat's nest out. Do not underestimate the man. This has been the weakness of the Hillary dems.

 

You cannot maintain a secular gov't in that part of the world without a dictator who crushes radical dissent. We found that out with Iraq and Libya. We should learn from it, instead of doing the same thing while expecting different results which is the definition of insanity.

 

Well, let us see if trump does as he campaigned on. He is up against powerful forces here, and he may not prevail, but I believe as time goes on, and the Russian ruse falls apart, he will do what he has believed for years in regards to foreign policy. No one owns trump, no matter what the dems want to believe. The presidency is a most powerful office, and he will learn that as time goes on if he has honest, loyal advisors. But if he succeeds, he best be careful for we assassinate presidents if they do not give certain groups what they demand. No one believes anymore Oswald was a lone gunman. Our own gov't, forces within it like the fired Dulles and his ilk, murdered a US president.

His life will be in danger, and his protection, American, can never be trusted. He needs to get marines and special forces to protect him, not the SS. Specially picked by a trusted general, someone who is not a cold war proponent. And they do exist. Leslie Clark kind of men. Or the officers Obama cut and got rid of.

 

Not only that, but does the United States of America have something to fear from ... Syria? I mean seriously, are the Syrians plotting to sail through the Mediterranean and across the Atlantic and then invade our shores? And if not, if they choose to have a civil war within their own borders, what business is it of ours?

Destroying ISIS and AQ is our business. Our only business in Iraq and Syria should be to destroy ISIS and AQ. But we need not think that it is up to us to decide the future government of Syria. That is not our business. Let's just do what we can to destroy our enemies, and then let's get the hell out.

 

The US needs to work with both Russia and china on this war on radical islam, for both of those nations have problems with these scumbags. This is what trump ran on, at least in regards to Russia. For it makes sense as we have common interests here.

Hopefully trump, unlike the rest in DC, will recognize that Russian national interests, defense, economic are legit, and they have a right to them. We have acted as if they do not, and have acted like they are pushing forth the old commie revolution which is dead. Gen Butler tried to tell us the truth in War is a Racket.

Putin is no choir boy, but for god's sake neither have our presidents been either. We just keep much of our secret for the CIA does it. We have lived under US imperialism for a long time. Russia, Putin is not even in our ballpark. That it the fact.

 

Agree, and there are real journalists who have revealed our involvement even in kicking off that civil war. Like Seymour Hersh, but also others, ex CIA men, ex gov't officials whom MSM blacks out habitually so we only get the info our gov't wants us to know. This is a fact, verifiable by simple objective observation. Hey, I joined to fight in Vietnam, and I went because of a ruse, Gulf of Tonkin, false flag. So don't anyone try to tell ME, we have become saints. Or that we always wear white hats, or that war is not driven by profits of a few. Or special interests. For that is not our reality. It is surely self evident.