Imagine a US strike on North Korea, what then in Seoul?

That's as much personal info as any Leftie can expect from me on this forum. Not saying you're a backstabbing coward, but there are plenty of deranged Leftists who are.

 

Look, all you have to say is "I surrender". But if you want to bluster to save face, be my guest.

 

Well I am saying that about you. The people who beat the drums of war the loudest are the very same people wjho have the least skin in the game.

 

Are you ****ing serious? Every single link I posted proves your contention that the Cuban Missile crisis was the last serious nuclear threat from the Soviets is at best gross ignorance or an outright lie.

So which is it?

 

Yes, I understood you were arguing a platitude without evidence. And?

 

You really should watch your blood pressure. I can see that vein throbbing in your forehead from here.

As for Able Archer, I hate to break this to you, but an example of almost going to nuclear war by accident is not what we're discussing.

 

By accident? What accident? Project RYAN was a deliberate effort on the part of the Soviets.

 

<sigh>Operation RYAN simply got the Soviets all worked up because they were afraid of Reagan. That has nothing to do with Able Archer other than if the Soviets had started WWIII based on intel from RYAN, they'd have been making a big mistake.

Which doesn't change the validity of my previous comment.

 

The missiles in Cuba just got America worked up because they were afraid of Kruschev.

See we can both make up bullshit.

 

Except that what I said makes sense.

On a side note, I see you're following me. Should I feel flattered or creeped out?

 

I hit it on accident. Not sure what I did. I don't like this follow bullshit in the new forum.

Your argument makes no sense except if I'm willing to concede the multiple goalpost changes you've made, which I'm not.

 

QX. I thought it might be something like that.

As for my argument not making sense, RYAN was feeding the Soviets intel that helped them think the West was going to attack them while they were weak. If Able Archer had resulted in WWIII, it would have been by accident.

See how it works?

Whereas, if the US and USSR had tangled over Cuba, it would have been the direct result of nuclear brinksmanship leading to war. Not an accident at all.

 

The lead up to Able Archer 83 is no less brinksmanship.

 

True. In the case of the Cuban missile crisis, it would have been brinksmanship leading to deliberate war.

For Able Archer, it would have been brinksmanship leading to accidental war.

Round and round we go.

 

Sorry, missed this one earlier.

Unless you can prove otherwise, my understanding is that the source of a high altitude EMP blast is untraceable, especially if the perp launches from off our coasts.

As for VBSS, if the missiles are sent off outside our territorial waters, they wouldn't be subject to search.

 

I didn't mean monetarily, I mean't in numbers.

>>
While the sheer number of artillery tubes could theoretically kill a large number of civilians, operational issues complicate matters and push the number of civilian casualties greatly downward. Despite the thousands of artillery pieces, only 700 heavier guns and rocket launchers, plus the newer 300-millimeter MRLs, have the range to strike Seoul. Only a third would normally be fired at once, and notional rates of fire would be slowed tremendously by the need to withdraw guns into their hardened artillery sites (HARTS) to shelter them from counter battery fire.

Other factors reduce the projected loss of life in the greater Seoul metropolitan area..... The North will struggle to keep these heavy artillery units supplied with shells, particularly with its aging supply system. ...........


Finally, the North would face a strategic dilemma. Artillery used to bomb Seoul could not be used to soften up border defenses for a general invasion,........... An all-out bombardment of the South Korean capital might very well leave Pyongyang without the ability to actually capture it,<<

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...a-annihilate-seoul-its-artillery-20345?page=2

 

Well you said cost.

Cost is dollars -- NK Won in the case of N.Korea -- a Chinese backed currency.

 

No, cost is hardly limited to money. Cost can refer to everything from material, to human life, to political capital, etc., so on and so forth. Considering the topic I think it was pretty clear I wasn't talking about the price per projectile.

 

And you change the goalposts again.

Are you getting tired? Those things are usually pretty heavy.

 

VBSS of North Korean ships can occur in international waters because they are a regime under arms controls. In fact, such boardings happen all the time.

 

N.Korea proved the last time in 1951-53 that they don't think in terms of cost.

In fact they don't think at all.

Neither does Kim J.U. now.

 

I see.

 

Aw, there you go! I was worried about you but you've responded with pluck. That goalposts excuse of yours never wears thin, huh?

 

Yeah, I'm sure that the North Koreans would purchase a missile system from Russia and then use a Nork-flagged vessel to commit an EMP assault against the US.

It would be crazy for them to simply load the system into a nondescript container and then load it on an FOC ship, right? Then quietly hijack the ship and launch the missiles when in position. Sink the ship and scamper off and they'd have committed the perfect crime. Naw, it's just too crazy.

Or is it?

 

It's not an excuse. You keep moving the goalposts. It's a tactic of intellectual dishonesty.