Christians — have you been deceived?

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Brewskier, May 17, 2017.

  1. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Some groups of humans are descended from a completely separate species from "homo sapiens", so how can the mixed offspring be the same as homo sapiens?
     
  2. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Because they are still Homo Sapiens by definition. They are members of the same species.
     
  3. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    How are they still homo sapiens by definition when they are mixed with non homo sapiens?
     
  4. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Is the problem that you don't know how science defines "species"?

    If a dog had some wolf in its ancestry 100 generations ago, does that mean it isn't a dog?
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    lies.

    Jews were already in Europe before Jesus was born, thanks to the Roman and Greek Empires. 10% of the Roman Empire was Jewish.

    and considering that many folks in the northern Levant have light eyes, your other claims are also silly.

    stop hating on the Jews
     
    Last edited: May 18, 2017
  6. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Bad analogy. All dogs have wolf ancestry. Not all humans have Neanderthal ancestry.
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    only Asians and Whites do.

    I am 4% Neanderthal.
     
  8. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals have a common ancestry too.

    And its not a bad analogy. If a dog has direct wolf lineage in its ancestry a hundred generations ago (even those dogs split off from wolves thousands of generations ago) does that make it not a dog?
     
  9. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130116195333.htm

    So, Ron, do you think Jesus had blue eyes?
     
  10. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Correct.
     
  11. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You can say the same thing about Chimpanzees and modern humans.

    It's a bad analogy because all dogs have wolf genetics in them to varying degrees. With humans, some have Neanderthal DNA, which is another species from homo sapiens, while others do not. At best you can say some people are mostly homo sapien, with some other species mixed in.
     
  12. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
  13. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    humans chimpanzees cannot breed.

    blacks and whites can **** each other all day long, and make lots of very healthy babies who are very fertile.
     
  14. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So all we need is for white people to interbreed with Africans and then everyone will have the same DNA mix! Nice to see you encouraging miscegenation.
     
  15. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I agree. I think he looked a lot more like the 2nd picture than the Nordic European Jesus that many European people have internalized. I wonder, though, if they created this image of him in their mind themselves, or if they were sold that image.
     
  16. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That doesn't disprove my point about the "common ancestry" argument.
     
  17. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I'm not encouraging that at all. I'm not the Marxist trying to force a state of "equality" on the world. I encourage differences.
     
  18. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What value is there in humanity not all being part of the same species?
     
  19. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Considering the model for the modern conception of Jesus was Cesare Borgia, and he himself was a Catalan with mixed Southern European, Jewish, and Moorish ancestry, how exactly is that "Nordic"?
     
  20. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    "Diversity".
     
  21. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    He had Nordic features, which I already gave examples of. Whether he was mixed and still retained those features is irrelevant.
     
  22. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You seem very hung up on outside appearances.
     
  23. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2007
    Messages:
    63,174
    Likes Received:
    4,995
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That doesn't make any sense.
     
  24. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Humans are evolved that way. You can 'Marx' your way into thinking differently about it, but ultimately it's part of our nature.
     
  25. Brewskier

    Brewskier Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2011
    Messages:
    48,910
    Likes Received:
    9,641
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Sure it does. I embrace the existence of real human diversity, whereas you encourage the blending of humanity into a nondescript brown blob of conformance (for political and ideological reasons).
     

Share This Page