When The Russian Hoax Is Exposed, Should The Democrats Be Held Accountable?

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  1. upside222

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    Just because you don't know what Marxism *is* doesn't mean that you aren't a Marxist. Wake up and look around you! The Obama administration took over control of the energy sector (remember "killing coal"?), the health insurance sector (remember coverage of specific things being mandated for all insurance policies?), the health care sector (remember mandating how much doctors can be paid?), and the internet sector (remember net neutrality?).

    This is all part and parcel of central control of the economy! Remember being able to buy $0.25 light bulbs? Not any more. Let the poor live in the dark! Remember 2 gallon flush toilets useful with older septic tank systems? Not any more. Let the rural people live with backed-up septic tanks!

    When the Marxist Democrats keep clamoring day-after-day, week-after-week, year-after-year that the rich must pay more in taxes that *is* class warfare. It's right out of the communist manifesto. "From each according to ability and to each according to need". It's all meant to equalize outcomes instead of opportunity. Marxism. By definition, it is Marxism.

    Income inequality happens when opportunity for all fails. Opportunity for all fails when you dry up investment into the economy. When you make it so that it becomes more attractive to invest overseas than here then opportunity for all fails here. It isn't the Trump supporters that are against repealing the 35% corporate income tax, it is the Marxist Democrats! It is why companies invest overseas. And don't quote me the canard about companies only paying 10% or less in corporate taxes. That canard is based on including foreign earnings in the total -- when foreign earnings that remain overseas aren't subject to US federal income taxes! It's an incentive to invest foreign earnings overseas! When you take out foreign earnings and leave only domestic earnings the average corporate tax rate rises to about 28% for large corporations. *STILL* higher than almost everywhere in the world!

    There *is* a reason why Marxism has failed *EVERYWHERE* it has been tried. It is economic idiocy of the highest order! And yet the Marxist Democrats just keep advocating for it! Even the common working man in America today is abandoning the Marxism of the Democrat party for they have seen its results directly!

    (edited to add "repealing" to the 35% corporate income tax - upside)
     
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    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is Marxism that kills the middle class. Which is what the Democrats have been pushing for over 60 years.
     
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    So you think most Americans are communists?
     
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    You think Marxists closed US factories and sent them overseas?
     
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    So you think Most Americans are of the leftness? Imagine that. :lol:
     
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    Not quite accurate. Even Marx recognized that central planning committees would be needed under communism in order to make sure that necessities of life would be produced in sufficient quantities. He foresaw those committees being made up of frequently re-elected delegates from the people.

    Many people confuse the "command economy" of the Soviet Union with the "planned economy" of Marx's communism. They are not the same thing.
     
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    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again, you make this claim without ever refuting the fact that less regulation and lower taxes are *NOT* central planning of the economy!

    You make spurious claims with no actual knowledge or references to back them up.

    Venezuela had a burgeoning middle class based on oil income and investments the oil companies were making - until Chavez took over that is.
    It is *you* that needs to study a bit of history!
     
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    upside222 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    YES! With their drive to raise corporate income taxes and capital gains taxes to the highest levels in the world.
    Why would *any* company with a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders choose to operate in the country with the highest taxes in the world!

    Almost every nation on the globe has gone to territorial taxing (i.e. only domestically earned income is taxes) except the US, North Korea, and Albania.

    It is the MARXIST Democrats that oppose the US moving to territorial taxing, Trump champion's such a move. The other nations have moved to territorial taxing in order to incentivize bringing foreign earnings back into the country where it can be invested to benefit the country. But the Marxist Democrats are totally against that. Instead they argue for taxing foreign earning at the US rate whether the earnings are brought back into the US or not!
    It is the horrifying aspects of such a move that have driven so many corporations to create "inversions" where they become foreign-owned companies instead of US companies!
    The Marxist Democrats of today would fit right in beside the Kings and Queens of Spain in the 1600's who raped so many foreign lands of their riches because they thought they had a Divine Right to all the riches in the world. That's what the Marxist Democrats believe also - so they can further their "progression" to a Marxist utopia!
     
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    And those CEOs and stockholders are Marxists... not Capitalists?

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    "“We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” Hillary Clinton
    "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." - Obama
    "“If someone wants to build a new coal-fired power plant they can, but it will bankrupt them because they will be charged a huge sum for all the greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.” - Obama

    Coal use *was* being supplanted by natural gas - as part of a free market conversion to cheaper fuels. But the Marxist Democrats have accelerated that decline of coal through environmental regulations, regulations affecting even clean coal!

    When the government picks winners and losers in place of the free market that *is* central planning of the economy. Just ask Solyndra!
     
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    Most Democrats are what Stalin called "useful idiots". They have been conditioned to believe that their rights come from government, that government can provide all kinds of free stuff with no impact on the economy, and that the rich *steal* money from the poor.
     
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    The US is behind in social services compared to other industrialized nations.. and we have higher infant mortality rates.. We also have less vacation time, more expensive healthcare and lag far behind in math and science.
     
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    Coal has been dying since the 1950s. Look at when the last coal fired power plant was built and how many have been shut down or converted to natural gas. Trump is lazy and stupid to make promises that he can't keep. Better to face reality and deal with it.
     
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    Those joint messages clearly state which agencies they are joint messages from. I'm waiting for the one that has all 17.
     
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    Sure. But who? And there is evidence of the Trump campaign and Russia doing something. AKA the Flynn story.
    So, it needs to be investigated to see how far/deep this went.
    Wouldn't you agree?
     
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    Actually, we don't know that. That is what Crowdstrike reported, but the USG never has access to the actual DNC servers. The FBI just took their word for it. In other words, the 'investigation" never investigated.
     
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    No it doesn't.
     
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    There is evidence of more than collusion.

    Why did Kushner and Flynn conspire with the Russians to set up a covert channel of communication between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin using Russian intelligence equipment?

    Who asked Kushner and Flynn to do that?

    Why did Trump obstruct the investigation into that subversion of the the US Law of the Land?
     
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    At some point the meaning of TDS could change to Trump Detainment Sentencing! ;)
     
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    So what? The economies of those other industrialized world have economies where 1% economic growth, 9% unemployment, and depending on the US for military defense are considered to be *normal*!

    Is *that* what you want for the US?

    We lag far behind other nations in math and science education because of Marxist Democrat policies AS USUAL. Almost all other nations make a conscious effort to educate their advanced students at a pace they can handle. The Marxist Democrats, doing just the opposite, have dumbed down our education system so everyone advances at the pace of the slowest student! It's just one more outgrowth of the "must have equality of outcome" mindset of the Marxist Democrats!
    Everyone wins. Everyone gets a participation medal. Lower standards to the very lowest common denominator so no one has their self-esteem hurt.

    We have less vacation time because of the work ethic America *used* to have. The more you worked the more you earned. Once again, the Marxist Democrats want to equalize outcomes - everyone gets the same pay regardless of how much "vacation" time they take.

    And our healthcare is more expensive because of advanced technology our health system provides for *everyone*. No wait times. No QALI rationing of care like the other nations use. Remember Obama and his "granny should take the red pill instead of getting a pacemaker"? That's what other nations do. That's what the Marxist Democrats want for the US - it's an inevitable outcome of their push toward government-administered single payer healthcare. Do *you* want your health care system to look like the VA?
     
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    Kansas had plans for two new clean-coal powered plants nixed by the Obama administration in 2011. The shutdowns of coal-fired plants have mostly been due to Obama administration regulations, not costs.
    Ask yourself why Germany is building new coal-fired plants again instead of more "alternative" energy!
     
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    What evidence? I think you mean *allegations*! If you meet with your banker and I accuse you of colluding with him to launder money just how do you prove you didn't? It's impossible to prove a negative! And the excuse of "if we just investigate some more" just leads to destroying people's reputations for nothing!
     
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    Why did the Trump transition team want a leak-proof method of communication? Do you REALLY have to ask that?

    Being "covert" isn't illegal. Just like collusion isn't illegal.

    Trump hasn't subverted *ANYTHING*. Once again, that is a FALSE NEWS story propagated by the lamestreammedia! The FBI said Obama has obstructed nothing and subverted nothing. So did the intelligence community.

    Stop listening to the FALSE NEWS being fed to you by the lamestreammedia!
     
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