Is health care a right or a privelege?

Not necessarily, it's a bit like russian roulette and depends on whether you're unlucky enough to be saddled with a bad doctor.
THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET because it allows us to fully research our maladies and keep tabs on whether the medics are giving us the right treatment.
In the bad old pre-internet days we had no choice but to trust our doc and hope he/she knew what he was doing..

 

I would suggest that Medicare/Medicaid play a much larger roll in the increase of Health Care costs than do uninsured individuals visiting the ER.

 

That's a failing argument, Roon. Your right to a trial before a jury of your peers infringes on the time and skills of others.

 

How do you see Medicare increasing costs?

 

Where do people go without insurance or finds to pay privately?

 

Citizens of the government. Citizens with sovereign rights and privileges outside the contract between the people and the government.

Your rights end at my nose. You can't decide my rights on the basis of mob rule -- i.e. society!

 

You keep claiming this but you *never* prove it.

Let's see your proof.

 

He believes in mob rule and collective rights, not individual rights.

 

And it is used to ration care.

If *my* grandmother needs a pacemaker then I want her to have one - period. I don't want it decided by a government bureaucrat arbitrarily based on some "rule".

That's the reason your single-payer is never going to happen in the US.

 

America was not founded based on the idea of collective rights.

Forcing someone to accept the dictates of mob rule should be anathema to anyone that believes in the Declaration of Independence. It's a main reason why we broke away from England!

 

No, it's a matter of known market failure conditions.

I haven't seen that. Maybe you live in a different kind of neighborhood.

 

No. What you would like is for your 95 year old grandmother to get numerous procedures that extend her life (while she is unconscious) for a couple of weeks.

 

If you think you are owed so body else's stuff, yours can rot out too. Petitioning government to steal on your behalf is a despicable quality

 

Got your hand in the government kitty too I see. Whoring for government is way more lucrative than taking care of patients, isn't it Ezekiel?

 

Awe shucks, you failed again.

Maybe I should buy you Cavs tickets too, so that I don't deny you the right to your pursuit of happiness

 

If this your belief then we should kill all the sick people who won't get better. Babies born with deformities and problems should be euthanized.

In your utopia, I would also suggest killing people after their 30th or at least 40th birthday.

 

Yes, he is arguing for a logan's run type of situation. All us old people are a bit too old and sickly, thus a national security problem.

 

The whole world, not just a nation.
Whilst the political left tend to push health care for all, it's a policy that proves extremely expensive and keeps the weak and pointless section of any population alive.
Most western countries have a serious unemployment problem but loads of uneducated potential workers available to flip burgers and clean toilets.
These most useful to society tend to be rich as they've been successful in life so can afford health care but those easy to replace have little so would die off if there was no expensive but free to users provision of services.
Obviously there would be individual tragedy as family members died young but the most affected would only be poor people who don't much matter to society or are a drain on others so society as a whole would be stronger.
McD would not run out of burger flippers, the bins would still get emptied and the toilets would still be cleaned so there's no real issue to consider.

I would suggest ALL benefits of any kind are stopped immediately, that saving millions and reliving the tax burden for all.
The intelligent would use the saved tax money to buy health insurance but the stupid who use it as beer money would die off early - no worries there.
Darwin worked out the order of nature's mechanisms to keep a species strong but the political left make his work a waste of time.

 

I don't think anyone should be forced into Jury duty. That should be voluntary.

Well for starters anytime you subsidize something you are going to get more of it...that is just reality. Secondly, Medicare cannot go out of business so there is very little risk for that program to throw its weight around so to speak and directly competes with private insurers in that space. Medicare sets its prices and doctors essentially "take it or leave it" - there isn't much negotiation. So in turn those doctors charge the private insurers more when negotiating their contracts because hey...you gotta make a profit somewhere.

Charity, family or friends. Any number of options.

 

Or they could just die....quietly which is the GOP healthcare plan

 

I don't think anyone should be forced into obeying a president they don't like.

But awe shucks, laws are laws. So your reply is immaterial/irrelevant.

Ok, so you don't see Medicare increasing prices. Good. It doesn't.

 

I would argue that it is a natural right because, as a natural right of property, a person is entitled to their "support and comfort" based upon their labor. If they're providing for themselves directly from nature then their "support and comfort" is exclusively they're responsibility but when someone else wants to use their labor then the responsibility for the "support and comfort" of the employee becomes the responsibility of the employer.

Health care is a component of the "support and comfort" of the person and the employer has an obligation to provide for the employee that they're using for their own labor purposes.

 

Many or most private practices don't accept Medicare/Medicaid. The vast majority of Medicare/Medicaid patients are treated by large hospitals/clinics where the doctor is an employee and not an owner of the hospital/clinic. These hospitals/clinics receive large government subsidies and with those subsidies comes the mandate that they provide medical services for Medicare/Medicaid patients. Small private practices don't receive the subsidies that offset the under-payments by Medicare/Medicaid.

If it's potentially serious or life threatening they mostly just die. In 2009 it was estimated that 45,000 people died annually because they lacked the insurance that would have paid for early detection of curable illness. By the time the illness was diagnosed it was beyond the point where it was curable so they died.

At that time there were about 30 million uninsured and with the Republican AHCA resulting in 23 million losing health insurance it will be paid for with the deaths of over 25,000 people annually because they won't have insurance coverage. ​

More people will die over time because they won't be able to afford insurance than the number of wealthy people that get a small tax cut of less than 4% by the Republican proposal to eliminate Obamacare. ​

 

Far from a natural right. It requires others labors or taking others property basically in the form of exchange, money made from others labor. By force.

 

No, they aren't. Nobody is entitled to the property of others.