Question for Bernie Sanders Supporters

I am curious about your vision of socialism. Many bring up that government abuse has ruined many attempts to set up a socialist country. How would you limit the power of government if it controls everything? What would be the checks and balances? I view personal freedom as one of the most important parts of being American. Would we have people telling us we can't drink soft drinks, can't have more than two pets, limit the amount of children we can have ect? Would we have to shop at government only stores? Would citizens have any control? I would ask that people not post saying that we already live in a socialist country. I know this. I just had a feeling that Bernie's socialism is closer to a form of communism. Yes, please do not get sidetracked on various definitions of communism.
I am also curious if there would be any sense of nationalism. Would we have to join the EU to form some type of world government? Could Bernie's America also have a strong sense of nationalism? Can a socialist country also have a strong sense of identity and pride, or does it have to melt into globalism? My final question is how could you keep people motivated to achieve. I think it is clear that socialism has a detrimental effect on people wanting to succeed. Would there be any sense at all of the American Dream? Would people think that if they tried their best they would have any hope of reward or success?
Please do not give a stock answer that countries like Norway have it all figured out. It has been mentioned many times that America's massive population poses a unique problem to creating such a system. I am truly curious about your vision. Thanks.

 

I am not a socialist but rather a georgist. That being said, I favored Bernie Sanders over the other choices. In my opinion, to the degree that Sanders wanted to use taxation and free education to reduce or redistribute economic rents, his plan was the fairest, most sustainable and actually the most free-market approach as compared to the alternatives being offered by the other candidates. In order for you to understand my answer you will have to learn what economic rents are. You can learn about them here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_rent

[Edit] Better yet, read this to learn about rents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking

 

Bernie Sanders parades his religious intolerance

Bernie Sanders made a fool of hiimself trying to 'expose' a minor official as a religious bigot. The only bigot out there is Sanders himself.

 

How can Bernie make education free? Who would pay for everyone to go to college? My taxes?

 

Socialism would lead to another holocaust..
As it has over and over and over and over in history..

 

First of all, for the last time (probably not) Bernie Sanders is not a socialist, he is a social democrat. That means he supports more socialist policies within the confines of a constitutional democracy granting certain natural individual rights,, along with regulated capitalism. He may state hes a socialist, but that is like someone stating they are a capitalist. It's very much a meaningless statement, without the actual policies. He is socialist in the same way FDR was socialist, and I'm pretty sure FDR was very much a nationalist, maybe not in all the good ways either I'll be the first to admit.

 

Sanders represents my free country slipping towards communism..

 

Like it has in Sweden right?

 

You mean we actually try to take care of our own citizens, and not the corporations or heavily bloated military industrial complex. Oh my, it's such a radical statement. It would be a shift of priorities in where your taxes are going, but yes its also true taxes may have to be raised slightly.

 

you really need to take a chill pill or a long cool drink

Communism? Really?

 

Right. No response to my comment, just a more blind statements.

 

not yet..
Seeing the beginnings of white genocide though..

 

Yeah, pretty much anything left of Trump is a win for the commies and fascists these days..
Any leftism is a slip in the wrong direction, Sanders representing a leap..

 

Right, although I support Bernie Sanders, he is weak on immigration policies and such. I do not support Sweden's immigration policies. Though,the reports about what is happening in Sweden are also exaggerated.

 

Leftism has nothing to do with what you are talking about and saying it does is getting really annoying. Not all leftists are neo liberals, but unfortunately neo liberals are leftists. Leftism is a very broad camp though, same as conservatism.

 

I'm not a Sanders supporter, he's got his own set of issues. But given the billionaires for billionaires government with the moron-in-chief in charge we have now it seems to me Sanders would be a massive improvement. And if it isn't, I'm not sure we can do much worse.

 

You mean imagining...

 

I'm speaking of the American spectrum of left vs right..
Any amount of furthering the agenda of any leftism is helping the agenda of the ultimate left, fascists/communists..

The American spectrum goes something like this..
Communists-fascists-socialists-progressives-liberals-centrists-conservatives-libertarians-anarchists..

Anyone can spout till their blue in the face that anarchists are leftists or fascists are right wing but that is just propaganda bullshit..
Anarchists are the ultimate right as they propose the smallest government with the least infringement on freedom while fascists propose a large powerful government with great infringements on freedom therefore they are left not right..

As you can see the fascists in America at this time are leftists but then you have "anarchist" morons who just want to use anarchy as a stepping stone towards communism..

There you have it, any advancement to the left on my above scale ultimately helps the agenda of the ultimate leftists, the communists, getting ever closer to their ideology. Including the fascist antifa leftists..

And hitler was a leftist..

Sanders is a step towards another hitler/stalin/pol pot mass murdering impoverishing leftist..

 

Due to you being so spectacularly wrong in so many half truths that you just freely admitted....I can know see how it was so easy for conservative media to doop so many of your ilk...If they in fact they follow your line of thinking....I wonder, do they?

 

I don't even know how to respond to this nonsense. By your definition, Trump is a far far leftist. This "american" version of left v right is just vestigial propaganda left over from BOTH sides during the cold war, and is meant to be oversimplified to cause divides between people. Politics is a spectrum. It is not a line.

 

My line of thinking is derived from logic..
If the entire conservative movement is following my line of thinking then either I deserve a cookie or my line of logic comes from more than just me..

I will graciously admit that it is "spectacularly wrong" according to what they want you to believe and the way they want you to think about it but they are just confusing you..

Maybe I shouldn't call it "left vs right" because they have you believing it means something that it does not..
Think of it as "slavery vs freedom" whereas the further left you get the closer you are to being a slave vs right ultimate freedom..

 

Right, Trump is pretty left for my taste. As I've said, anything left of Trump is trouble..

Trump is barely conservitive centrist, but he makes up for it with his love of America and dedication to making America great again, nationalism..

BTW nationalism has nothing to do with the slavery vs freedom scale.. You could be a nationalist slave or a nationalist anarchist all the same..
The opposite of nationalism is like "white guilt" and self loathing, something common to the leftists these days as a ploy to advance their agenda, get people to give up their individual power..

 

Except by your logic, Trump is left of Bernie Sanders just on account of the extreme nationalism and anti science nonsense, that is why this line nonsense is also BS.

 

Slavery vs freedom is a line..
Authoritarian vs democratic is another line..
Nationalist vs self loathing is another line..

Dont get confused, put the lines together and you can have a spectrum in multiple dimensions, but were are talking left vs right, slavery vs freedom here..

 

Not even almost..

Trump is far right of sanders because sanders wants to make the successful person a slave to the lazy eliminating the incentive for further advancement while Trump is much further right/freedom on competition, may the best man win, incentivising hard work for self assent..

Trump is pretty left still on welfare but nowhere near the point of sanders and the common income flock of dodos..