Judging Trump's performance

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    It is called transference. Informed observers know Putin wanted Trump in the Oval Office, and Putin helped make that happen. Since then:

    Trump has called for "America First" and he is withdrawing the U.S. from its leadership in the free world. He cannot have it both ways, and it shows as the reader will soon see.

    Trump made friends with Sunni fundamentalist Saudi Arabia. Sunni Al Qaeda and its offshoot, Sunni ISIS, had its beginnings in Saudi Arabia.

    Trump said his trip to the Middle East was a "home run" and the Muslim nations would help us against Islamic extremism while stopping the funding of terrorist organizations. Since Trump's return from the Middle East, terrorists have struck in Manchester, England, Paris, London, Tehran, Baghdad, and Kabul. Saudi Arabia and Egypt led sanctions against a vital American ally, Qatar, the host country of the largest U.S. base in the Middle East.

    Trump then traveled to Europe, where he has been encouraging the breakup of the EU. He insulted nearly every NATO leader by demanding payment of dues before a world television audience. In addition, he weakened NATO by not affirming Article Five of the NATO treaty, further infuriating the NATO leaders.

    Shortly after returning home from Europe, he withdrew the U.S. from the Paris Accord, joining Syria and Nicaragua as the only non-signatories. In doing this, Trump ceded leadership of a growing industry, clean energy, to China in favor of a dying industry, coal mining. Combined with his EU and NATO adventures, leaving the accord also meant Trump ceded leadership of the free world to Germany, France, and/or England. Trump is detested in Europe by its leaders and its people. He is regarded as a pompous ass.

    Following the London terrorist attack, Trump even managed to anger our strongest and most durable ally, Great Britain. For some reason he picked a fight with the mayor of London very soon after the London bridge attack. Instead of offering his support after the tragic attack, Trump insulted the mayor, probably due to his Muslim ethnicity. In Britain, long considered America’s closest European ally, Trump had just a 32% approval rating. That poll was taken in January. Certainly, it is far worse now.

    Trump's latest approval rating is 34%. At this stage of a Presidency, that is the lowest figure in American history.

    The Comey testimony illustrates one very important fact. Regardless of which side one is on, everyone can agree Trump has savagely divided this nation. It is not a matter of polite, professional, and/or friendly disagreement. When it comes to Trump, there is strong animosity on both sides.

    Put a different way, Putin couldn't dream of a more perfect result. If Putin had managed to get a Russian operative to occupy the Oval Office, that person could not possibly do more damage than Trump has done in five months.

    Always looking for someone else to blame, it is only natural that Trump fans would then blame the Democrats. Like I said, it is called transference, transferring the faults of one person to an innocent party.
     
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    Following Comey's testimony, impeachment talk is spreading like wildfire. Most Americans do not believe Trump and his statements on Friday.This is true of his supporters, many Republican lawmakers in Congress. Even his own son, Donald Trump, Jr., believes that his father told Comey “I hope you can let this go.”

    While it is way too early to talk about impeachment, there are some interesting facts.

    Comey was the FBI director leading an investigation into whether or not Trump’s staff colluded with the Russians.

    Flynn, in December spoke to the Russian ambassador about the sanctions imposed by Obama. The next day, Putin said he will deal with the incoming Trump administration about the sanctions and did not retaliate. When Trump became President, Flynn became his NSA.

    Flynn lied about the phone call to the veep. Flynn was fired.

    While campaigning for Trump and while the NSA Flynn represented a foreign government, Turkey. The Russians had paid Flynn $34,000. The check came from RT, the Russian propaganda network.

    Comey was actively investigating Flynn.

    Trump asked Comey for his loyalty. Comey refused.

    Trump asked Comey to “let Flynn go.” Comey refused.

    Trump fired Comey.

    Trump admitted to Lester Holt the reason for Comey’s firing was Comey’s Russian investigation.

    The day after firing Mr. Comey, Trump hosted Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, in the Oval Office, along with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey I. Kislyak. He told the Russians, “I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job. I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”

    That information barely scratches the surface.

    Is that obstruction of justice? I don’t know. That is above my pay grade.

    But it sure stinks, and it is a political disaster for Trump, regardless of whether a crime was committed.

    I’m dying to have Trump fans tell me this is all fake news from deep state or TDS. That would be worth a good laugh.
     
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    Judging Trump's performance?

    So far?

    F- (F Minus)
     
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    AQ's beliefs are Deobandi and Muslim Brotherhood.

    ISIS is Baathist.

    Nothing to do with Saudi Arabia.
     
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    Putting America first is not saying much in a group that excludes all others.
     
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    Being whom last years election was between, I didn't expect any good to come out of it. I think that expectation is proving to be correct.
     
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    No, "everyone can agree" that Trump has had many great accomplishments so far, kept more promises in the first 100 days than Obama did in 8 years, thankfully we are not in Hilary Clinton's war with Russia, and but for the damage being done by Democrat politicians and by the lies of the MSM he would have even accomplished more. On this, "everyone can agree."
     
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    That is your political outcome predictions score, correct? The OP seemingly is describing why you posted such a message as "transference."
     
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    Okay. Now back to Trump and his performance so far. The point I am trying to make is his "home run" visit to Riyadh was an unmitigated disaster. The terrorist attacks against Western cities seemed to increase and Saudi Arabia launched a sanctions war against a vital American ally in the Middle East. Trump then sided with the Saudis instead of the American ally. Looking at his NATO adventures, this seems to be a pattern with Trump.

    The dispute with Qatar has been going on for years. Two weeks after Trump's visit, the Saudis led an Arab movement to harm a U.S. ally. I don't believe coincidences. The Arabs did this because they don't like Trump's attitude toward Muslims. Consider his two executive orders that created a travel ban against certain Muslim nations. This is the Arab version of "in your face," Trump.
     
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    That's how the Saudis treat visitors.. even me. The Arabs did this because Qatar has been funding and hosting AQ, Muslim Brotherhood, Taliban and ISIS.. and they have been warned off doing that since 2009.

    Qatar is a US ally, but they aren't invaluable.. and they can't support terrorists while the rest of the Arab world is fighting them.

    They would have been gracious and hospitable no matter who was US president.
     
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    My point exactly. Trump won't be able to withdraw the U.S. from the world. We have the largest economy and the largest military and both are growing. In many parts of the world, the U.S. government is detested. With Trump as our President, that is growing, too.

    The U.S. can't remove itself from the world's stage, and it will be a serious mistake to try. Nevertheless, that is exactly what Trump will do, try.

    Of course, he can always change his mind when he finally detects the obvious. The number of times he has reversed course is also growing.
     
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    Wrong use of the word - Transference -.That is a psychological
    term which means to unconsciously Redirect one's feeling from
    one person to another.
    For example a person is at the therapist office and assigns feelings
    during therapy which are from his childhood.He may redirect those
    feelings at the Therapist whether hostile of affectionate.It is used
    as a tool for the patient to see how their past still haunts them
    as to how some significant person of their past may still harbor
    certain feelings in the present.
    Got it now.
    I may bill you later.
     
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    Why would he want to when the majority of his business is done overseas, and his finances are dependent on foreign banks? Have you seen any move on his part to bring back his manufacturing from China, etc.?
     
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    I think it was Mattis who said replacing Qatar would be very difficult and very expensive. And why would do that? Because Trump is siding with the Saudis? That is ludicrous.

    DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Qatar has paid $2.5 million to the law firm of a former attorney general under U.S. President George W. Bush to audit its efforts at stopping terrorism funding, a matter at the heart of the Gulf diplomatic crisis that erupted last week.


    John Ashcroft personally will lead his Washington-based firm's efforts "to evaluate, verify and as necessary, strengthen the client's anti-money laundering and counterterrorism financing" compliance, according to documents filed to the U.S. Justice Department.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/q...al-ashcroft-evaluate-counterterrorism-n770711

    Lydia Khalil is a Non-resident Fellow at the Lowy Institute for International Policy. "Saudi Arabia ostensibly is cutting off ties because of Qatari financing of extremist groups, but Saudi Arabia also has a long history of financing of jihadist groups," she said.
    "If their main quarrel is that Qatar is financing jihadist groups, it's pretty rich coming from Saudi Arabia to say that because Saudi Arabia has been a father for extremist jihadist ideology in the region.

    "There have been people, high ranking people, within the Saudi government who have financed and armed jihadist groups in the past."

    Those statements are true. Bin Laden and 15 of the 9/11 hijackers came from and were funded by Saudi Arabia. It's a pot-calling-the-kettle-black syndrome.

    Indeed, former US vice president, Joe Biden, accused Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states of pouring “hundreds of millions of dollars and tens of tons of weapons into anyone who would fight against Assad.” He explained: “The people who were being supplied were al-Nusra, and al-Qaeda, and the extremist elements of jihadis who were coming from other parts of the world …

    We declared [ISIS] a terrorist group early on. And we could not convince our colleagues to stop supplying them.
     
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    Man, you spoke my mind/
     
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    His approval ratings confirm it and if he was driven to distraction when his reality show was sinking in the ratings, imagine how he is climbing the walls now. He must be a real joy to be around...lol I don't envy any of his sycophant staff but no one told them t sell their souls so I don't pity them either.
     
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    Trumps supporters and Trump-friendly pundits say over and over again, "America voted for Trump." America did not vote for Trump. More eligible voters, 90 million, stayed home than voted for Trump, 63 million. As bad as Clinton was as a candidate, she still got nearly 3 million more votes than Trump. Trump was elected by 25% of the electorate.
     
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    So you think Trump is going to be impeached for interfering with a non-existent investigation, huh? Well, good luck with that.
     
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    Yes, it does not make America greater to alienate the rest of the world and try to rid ourselves of our responsibility as a world leader. . . . Under Trump, The Ugly American is looking uglier.
     
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    You did not mention any of his accomplishments. You did not challenge a single statement in the OP which infers that you couldn't. Than you make up a fictional war with Russia that virtually makes no sense.

    You and Trump are a lot alike, all hot air and no substance. Typical Trump fan, make up some fantasies that we are supposed to believe on your say-so. Your post was actually very amusing, and it illustrates perfectly that Trump's fans can't defend him. So, they make up stories.
     
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    His approval ratings were low to begin with. Following his disastrous overseas travels, withdrawal from the Paris Accord, and siding with Sunni fundamentalist Saudi Arabia against a vital American ally, Qatar, his ratings are going down. the latest poll shows him at 34%.

    Take for example the Paris Accord. Trump does the very opposite of what the majority of Americans want him to do. 70% of Americans favored membership in the Paris accord. He didn't even do what the majority of his base wanted him to do. According to the most recent poll, only 25% of Trump supporters favored withdrawal from the accord. Almost half favored the accord, and the rest didn't care.

    When it comes to the tapes, Trump is acting like a reality show host rather than the President. He suggested there might be tapes a month ago. No one knows today what he is talking about, not White House staff, not his spokesman, not the Secret Service, and not a single member of Congress. In his mind all of them plus every reporter in the country and every interested American is waiting with bated breath what he is going to say about the tapes he invented.

    The truth of the matter is, everyone concerned thinks he is an idiot. There isn't an adult in the country who wants the President to act like a showboat or car salesman. His complete ignorance and naiveté is brightly illustrated by the tapes issue.

    Republican Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, said it best.

    “The president is new at this,” Ryan said. “He’s new to government. And so he probably wasn’t steeped into the long going protocols that established the relationships between DOJ, FBI, and White Houses.”

    Ryan added, “He’s new at government. Therefore I think he is learning as he goes.”

    In other words, Ryan agrees. Trump is an idiot. Ryan forgot one thing as he bravely tries to defend an incompetent President. Every President in American history is new at the job at first. Only Trump has made the colossal errors he has made.

    Five months into the job and already there is a powerful impeachment movement that gains strength daily.
     
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    Again ... NOT How " Transference " works.
    You have much to learn about psychology,let alone psychoanalysis.
    I suggest you start with the most basic of psychosis.Or the average
    Democrat Pol. They are obviously Off the rails and even seem motivated
    to go further off the rails.
     
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