pedophiles going public

Never said that you claimed that. I however feel that all parties involved in a sexual encounter needs to give informed consent. To engage in a sexual activity with someone who hasn't given consent is sexual assault. If someone says "No" to a sexual act and someone else does it to them anyway...it's assault.

But you've never answered my question. Why do you feel that an adult should have the right to engage in sexual activities with children?

No, but my argument is that a child may not be able to say no to someone who is an adult for fear of reprisals. Those being anything from the simple loss of attention of the adult in question all the way down to the other end of the spectrum which includes physical and/or emotional abuse.

Think of a child's logic. If an adult who does fun things with the child suddenly wants to engage in sexual acts with them, if they tell that adult no, they could be worried that said adult will stop doing the fun things with them. After all...when one child says no to another child (about...well anything really), the other child will often say "Well I'm not going to be your friend anymore!"

Can't begin to tell you how often I've heard that growing up and from calming down my children when they came home because their "bestest ever friend in the whole wide world" got narky when they were told "no" by my children. And I'm not looking forward to having to do that when my grandchildren have the same thing happen to them.

But that fear of a phenomenon that has happened to them in the past can cause them to agree to the sex out of that fear. And I'm sorry...if one gets consent out of fear (no matter what that fear is or at what level)...then it's not consent. No consent...it's no longer sex but sexual assault.

The traditions of my society say it's wrong to murder people. They also say it's wrong to steal. Society believed in those traditional moral so much...they had the government enact laws defining them as well as the punishment guidelines for people who do said acts.

Society also felt that adults should not have sex with children. They believed this so much that they did the same thing here as well.

 

No clue what you're talking about?
No link, no story, just an opinion?

 

You mean like a boy, on his 18th birthday, having sex with his still 17 yr old girlfriend?
Aside from something like that, I doubt any are saying a 30 yr old should have sex with a 12 yr old.
So what ages are you referring to?

 

You need to provide proof on that. The medical professions around the world have already shown that it is a compulsion control disorder. In fact, a pedophile rarely has a preference in the gender of their victim, taking opportunity as the key decision factor. Which is why male pedophiles violate boys more often, since there is more opportunity to do so. Many pedophiles don't even want to do what they do, hence the recent movement to get people to not demonized those seeking help who have not yet harmed a child. The comparison to sexual orientations is not a direct one, but one the majority is familiar with, to show that pedophila is an innate trait, not a chosen or learned one.

 

Pedophilia is the attraction, not the action. You really going to lock people up when no harm has been committed or planned?

 

Until they actually commit a crime, they have all the rights the rest of us have. Pedophila is not a crime. I challenge you to find a state where it is a crime.

 

Actually, no you cannot choose that. You can choose whether or not to take that risk, but alcoholism is a condition that doesn't affect everyone. Alcoholism is actually a subset of an addictive personality. And I am probably using the wrong word with personality there, but stick with me. There are people who can end up getting addicted to anything that triggers their pleasure centers above a certain level. This is why we have people addicted to FarmVille, or sex, or the Internet or so many other things. Once they are we name what they are addicted to (alcoholic, sexaholic, etc).

 

In this case he is asking about a child having sex with a person who does not have authority over them, noting that it is wrong (not necessarily illegal) among adults who have sex with another adult who has authority over the first adult.

 

Sadly, he didn't. He is asking how a difference in age makes the difference in harm. The answer is of course, maturity and knowledge. As the child grows older, they are better able to process and comprehend and deal with things better. Eventually they reach a stage where they can handle sex, and even sex across a large age difference. While we set a legal line, the actual age varies with the individual, which is why I argue that exceptions should be allowed on a case by case basis.

 

Remember he is not talking about what is legal or illegal. The use of legality is in essence a strawman. We make sexual contact with minors illegal because of the harm. We have had things illegal in the past, and them changed it such as SSM. His arguments are not about what is legal or not, but whether they should be illegal.

 

You do understand that this whole thread is about adults who want to have sex with children, yes! If you are not arguing for children to be able to have sex with adults, then why are you even in this thread?

 

Just post the definitions and then we can discuss the differences, m'kay?

 

You acknowledged in your own example that as an adult you would ensure that the learning experience was a "safe one" for them to handle and that no harm would befall them.

Exactly what is the "safe level" of sexual intercourse that you would define as acceptable for a minor child? Where is the line drawn? 1st base, 2nd base, BJ's, etc, etc?

The fact is that the answer is none of the above when it comes to minors. There is no "safe level" for a toddler to be playing with a loaded gun with the safety off. There is no "safe level" of heroin or cocaine to give to a minor child. There is no "safe level" of sexual intercourse.

 

Who are these pedophiles demanding to be able to molest children?

I've seen pedophiles who want to "come out" so they can seek psychiatric help for their paraphilia. That SHOULD be encouraged by society.

 

So imprisoning people for thoughtcrimes?

 

Wouldn't surprise me. I still don't like it.

 

Because every person must have the right to do anything that is not harmful. You don't need to justify right though, you need only to justify prohibition.

 

Why do they arrest them when they catch them?

 

The alternative would be even less likable.

 

Anton Scalia said it also

Most thinking people could see that freedom for one group of sexual deviants only leads to another

 

Sexual abuse with minor children is harmful to them. That is undeniable established fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse

 

Because they have committed a crime!

 

The theory is that they must act in accordance with our rules and regulations, or off with their heads!

 

Consenting adults engage in all kinds of sexual deviancy without committing any crimes.

Child sexual molestation is a crime.

 

Not if the sexual deveiancy lobby has its way

All they need is one liberal progressive judge to rule that children can consent to having sex and then its not a crime anymore