A United Kingdom

and London is this country's beating heart.

 

The EU laughed and snared at Global Britain, but that's not for the EU to control.

 

We definitely seem to be on the edge of a big change. The biggest change since Thatcher? Could work out well in the end.

 

And like the best hearts, RED!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/15/london-mps-hard-brexit

 

If the UK remain in the single market... It'll be in the EU.
But if UK retained access to the single market, it'll be Global Britain part 1.
No deal is better than this deal where European Court of Justice remain over Westminster.
This Global Britain is pro business and pro Britain, and for some reason, people hate this.
People hate jobs too because jobs come with business.
People hate LGBT advances with the Conservatives because people hate the UK.
So only care about taring it up.

 

There is certainly more reason to hope for it than for many years. Talk of uniting the country Thatcher tore apart.

 

.. That's what every Gosh Darned Corbyn supporter may as well be telling me ever since Jeremy Corbyn's shameless and shameful occupation of Parliament Square for the better part of a week (if not more) over a Labour party plot to oust him 1 year ago today/this week..NEVER MIND London voted remain and needed that square to bitch about Brexit, NEVER MIND THAT, he put his sorry self first.
That they care about them, not the country.

 

WELCOME TO A UNITED KINGDOM
I want no less than a United Kingdom.
Understand me forum?

 

What's done is done.
Democracy was close, but true.
No alleged voter fraud of foreign influence..
Perhaps of a mis-truth on the campaign and a brash vote put to a younger public who knew not.
But the now greys / OAPs who voted leave the EU last year, remember a UK before the EEC.
So, isn't their vote important too, despite it being wishful thinking perhaps.

 

Maybe London's not joining the queue behind the others for a reason that is probably...
I admit, this is IMO, but, I think this is because London remembers what it's like to be a global capital perhaps - lol.
and really doesn't want to, if it can help it, be a bitch to Brussels, Strasbourg or Germany, if it can help it.
So yeah, we voted remain because 'that's just common sense', but, global Britain gets us wet.

 

I want this to be my battle cry if I ever had a battle cry;
'For the country, ******mit!'
IDK, I do love the place and know Westminster represents all under the Union Jack in the Houses of Parliament in Westminster Palace off Parliament Square.

 

If Northern Ireland remains part of the union and there is a hard Brexit then their trade with the rest of Ireland becomes more cumbersome and expensive and Irish folks working in England might very well end up having to wait until they could get citizenship to continue working there, or vice versa. Then comes Troubles II. Similarly, if they don't have a hard exit, then Ireland could become a black market straw party for the EU to ship into the UK and then transport goods across the border.

 

Again I do not think people on the mainland UK realise just how fragile the NI peace could turn out to be. We tend to think of the peace agreement as a done deal, it is far from it.

 

I would say rather that the Leaders of the Brexit campaign failed to find out what Brexit involved - including working out the economics of it.

 

Or maybe much like the democratic party in the US, the opponents of Brexit failed to consider what their condescension and snobbery toward their opponents would result in. Either way, UK has some very hard choices to make. It is essentially going to have to choose between keeping a robust services advantage in relation to the EU or keep Northern Ireland.

 

Possibly both were true. I knew how I was going to vote and it wasn't for any of the reasons put out - in fact I think Cameron's previous 'concessions' put a few of the far left on the road to Brexit.

I don't see the DUP allowing a United Ireland without a fight. Like I said they said they voted for Brexit to keep the UK together that is to try and stop both a United Ireland and Scottish Independence. Things are really so over the place at the time that it is impossible to know how it will turn out. The most likely is as I said a similar position to Norway which apart from us losing a good bit of money over this would not make too much difference. Most people are talking about limiting the damage....but May and Davis, we cannot know. There definite could still be another election. The UK definitely seems to be in the most fluid position I have known.

 

I am totally an outsider on this but it seems like Turkey would be a more likely model than Norway if I understand the relationships correctly

 

Yes, you are an outsider. Good guess if we went the Hard Brexit root. How we are now more likely to go now I think Norway is the more likely.

 

I am not sure the UK can avoid the harder exit side of the spectrum really. I have doubts that in the face of Brexit all the members of the EU and the outlying associates will sign off on a soft Brexit. It would not be in their economic interest to do so, and I am uncertain the the UK would want to still be subject to the EU regulations and not have a say in them.

 

Yes, I have noted you think that.

There are advantages in a soft Brexit to the EU. Britain being in the single market will help them too, particularly I think Germany due to her exports here. They seem to also to want us in the Customs Union. I think it has worked out pretty well for them. I do not think they would want to do something just to harm Britain. The theatricals which have gone on here since the Brexit vote have themselves been sufficient to warn others leaving is not a piece of pie.

This was the very situation which the Remainers said we would end up in if we left - Paying a bit more but having no say. In reality I looked at EFTA in respect to Scotland joining and the having 'no say' is far from true certainly if you are part of them which the UK probably would not be as they did not want a large country like the UK being small nations themselves.

 

The Rhetoric of Life

Think I'll just leave you to talk to yourself.....forever. This thread is not about discussion...it's just so you can spout your point of view and insult everybody who doesn't agree with you......so it is pointless reading it, far less trying to find anything worth discussing in it.

 

You came to the wrong thread, next time, read the thread title.
I'm not even sorry to see you depart this thread; good riddance and just be glad this isn't war time is all I can say, lest you find yourself being shot for being a traitor or something.

 

This thread is about being a United Kingdom in the face of the EU, what sort of discussion did you expect @Oddquine
If you're not backing the Prime Minister, you're backing Merkel, is this clear?

 

@Oddquine @RiaRaeb don't want unity in the UK, let this be known to all members who read this thread.

1 flag

1 country

isn't Rocket Science.

Time to forget Jeremy Corbyn and an Independent Scotland until after Brexit.

 

Correct, no unity under the traitor May!