Thousands rally against Israel in Istanbul

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  1. Starjet

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    One nation built on freedom of religion, freedom of thought, and an elected representative government. The nations against them? Religious tyrannies dedicated to the establishment of Islamic theocracies whose main goal is the destruction of this nation. The nation? Israel. Why the hatred? Because there is a disease in man's culture called envy, or as better described by Ayn Rand: "hatred of the good for being good".

    Furthermore, Miss Rand states: "The Arabs are one of the least developed cultures,” Rand argued. “They are typically nomads. Their culture is primitive, and they resent Israel because it's the sole beachhead of modern science and civilization on their continent.”--https://atlassociety.org/commentary/commentary-blog/6012-ayn-rand-s-thoughts-on-israel In essence, thugs with the mentality of a Capone, or a Castro, or Lenin, or a Stalin, or a Mao, and on, and on, and on, can not tolerate free independent thinking men. They did quivering cowards to rule, and that is the whole secret to their wretchedness and evil.

    The Palestinians have no rights, except to acknowledge Israel as a legitimate more government, and to build free states based on capitalism and individual rights. Otherwise, they should be wiped of the earth as a military and political power; they have no more right to create tyrannies.
     
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    Now, let's see what you are desperately trying to discredit by calling them "CONSPIRACY THEORY":

    1)"Green Belt Project": Carter’s National Security Council is a mere conspiracy theory. Lol...

    2)6th Fleet's Istanbul visit, in other words US intimidation against the Soviets in the region is a conspiracy theory.

    3)Many protesters of the Fleet were hospitalized, some stabbed is a conspiracy theory.

    4) Some highly prominent political and public figures (at least 10) like;
    Abdullah Gül (Prime Minister of new Turkiye early 2000s, then foreign minister, then president of the republic),
    Mehmet Ali Şahin (President of the Parliament, held seat in Erdogan's cabinet numerous times as minister),
    Recep Tayyip Erdoğan (No need to mention),
    Bulent Arinc (Minister of state, deputy Prime Minister),
    Beşir Atalay (Internal Affairs),
    Ömer Dinçer (Social Security Minister),
    Taner Yıldız (Energy resources minister),
    İsmail Kahraman (Head of Culture Department and President of the Parliament """today""" ),
    Abdülkadir Aksu (Internal affairs),
    Hüseyin Çelik (Department of Education)

    were being members of the youth movement called "Milli Turk Talebe Birligi" (National Turkish Students Union) back in the 60's, which was then used direly by the US to counterbalance the pro-Soviet youth, and 40 years later all of them made it to Abdullah Gul's and Erdogan's AKP governments, are just some stupid conspiracy theories...

    5) A magazine in 1996 releasing a secret agenda of the US about Abramowitz readying Tayyip Erdogan and Abdullah Gul for leading Turkiye in 2000s is a conspiracy theory, ALTHOUGH the related original mag piece was put as an evidence like this:

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    6) The words of the 32nd President of the United States, Franklin Delano Roosevelt that goes; "Nothing is coincidence in politics" is a conspiracy theory...

    7)"Progressive Islam" is a conspiracy theory...

    8 ) Therefore the "evangelical" approach to handle Islam's desired shift is a conspiracy theory...

    9) Therefore "dialogue groups" and their exact words; (they) ""need to work to identify more interfaith dialogue"" is a conspiracy theory...

    10)ISIS's claim that they are the only ones that walk on the Prophet's path, therefore their representation of the ""CORE"" Islam, and its demonization by the Western media is a conspiracy theory...

    11)"Open Society Institution" and it's activities in Russia, Yugoslavia, Turkiye, Ukraine, Serbia, Hungary, Macedonia are all conspiracy theories. OTPOR and CANVAS (Centre for Applied Nonviolent Action and Strategies) are just tooth fairies...

    12) FETO leader and Pakistani Progressive Muslim guy called Tahir-ul-Qadri are living in N. America with legit green card and citizenship is a conspiracy theory...

    13)Erdogan got awarded a prize by famous globalist actor called the ADL (Anti Defamation League) is a conspiracy theory:
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    14) Elimination of Kemalist ideology in Turkiye by complete unjust and unlawful methods imprisoning thousands of Kemalist soldiers, lawyers, teachers, prosecutors, officials, diplomats, generals, doctors, journalists are just part of a stupid conspiracy theory...

    15)Therefore those notorious trials called ""Balyoz"" and ""Ergenekon"" have never happened, they are just conspiracy theories.

    16)Therefore those whom got imprisoned up to 6 years by the rules of the two courts held those trials were freed on March 2014 is a mere conspiracy theory too.

    17)Therefore those Kemalists are being all free right now and criticizing the government by using every possible media channels for Erdogan's government not having more anti-imperialist stance, is just a dream, there's no such thing... No...

    18 ) 72 criteria is a conspiracy theory. EU never ever tells us to "narrow" down our description of terrorists and terror activities while can't saying a word to England sort of "still EU" countries who are freely passing anti-terror legislation that are complete Orwellian.

    19) Journalists getting KILLED in Israel are becoming almost like an everyday routine is just a conspiracy theory:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/17/israel

    20) Turkish Parliament bombed by the CIA linked FETO pilots by F-16s which took off from American AB called Incirlik is a conspiracy theory.

    21) The hotel check-in list, the photos and the videos showing the prominent CIA figures like Henri Barkey and Graham Fuller being in Istanbul during the coup attempt is a conspiracy theory.

    22) The supreme court of Turkiye ruling against the AKP for it being "the center of actions against secularism" has immediately met negative reactions from tons of many EU countries, the most prominent of which were from Merkel herself, Thomas Steg and Terry Davis are all conspiracy theories.

    Yo...

    Do not ever try discrediting something by calling it "conspiracy theory" just because you fail to understand what's said in text due to either
    approach toward things or to the limited capability to grasp with those large blinkers on, because I really don't care about weak narrow visions and lack of understanding, nor I do give a damn failure to develop some "correct" research methods... But I don't ever let you get away with it there... That's not gonna happen... :)

    SECONDO:

    You wanna roll down Manhattan to find out what job is inside and what is outside? Hmm? Gimme gimme gimme yo love aftuh midnight... :)
     
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  3. Jazz

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    Yes, Israel, the shinning beacon amongst tyrants!!
    The Zionists were the first terrorists in the Middle East, worse than Capone, probably learned from Lenin and Stalin.
    Your idol, Ayn Rand, belongs to the same tribe: Born and raised in Russia, came to the United States in 1931, her real name is Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum.
    Of course, some of the Pals are nomads or Bedouins, but mostly they had a flourishing zivilisation with agriculture and trade. The Jaffa oranges are famous! The Zionist gangs destroyed Jaffa and are now exporting the oranges themselves.
    Quivering cowards? I'd like to see you facing an armed gang in the middle of the night! I bet you would have to change your pj bottoms!
    We all know by now that the Pals have no rights in their own country, that is the saddest state of affairs in the M.E., thanks to that modern democracy doing so much good.

    Educate yourself for next time you want to talk about the Palestinian... read first here:

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.html
     
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    Today the State Department has officially stopped all Russian people from travelling to the US. Ominous isn't it? Maybe we should start taking our heads out of the sand, and start looking around to see what's being done in our name... as well as what the future holds.

    The reason for this is that Russia kicked out diplomats (CIA Agents), so as to equalize Washington's diplomatic staff to the same amount of personnel as the Russians have in the US. This was done in response by Russia to the theft of Russian property in the US by Obama, which Trump refused to return without getting some favors in return. Extortion anyone? Seems nothing is beneath us now?

    Here are a few excerpts from an excellent article in the Duran:

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    Above the half-witted mainstream media’s shrill noise about Charlottesville’s George Soros funded, statue-destroying, history-erasing, tattooed LGBT left-wing anarchists, we can hear something far more frightening. We hear the gargantuan growling curses of cannibal giants—the morally lobotomized military industrial complex—hiding in the darkness, scraping swords against stones and cracking knuckles, as they prepare to clash; and in the process of their reckless grappling, crush civilization and crumble landscapes. The question is what will trigger their fight?


    The U.S. justification for this action, so we’re told, is because the Russian government had previously ordered U.S. State Department staff (CIA agents) to leave Russia in order to create a more equal number of Russians and Americans working in each others’ embassies. Of course, what is conveniently ignored is that in December 2016 President Obama, in violation of international law, seized the Russian Government’s summer house and property in the Washington DC metro area, and Trump has continued the crime by refusing to return the Russian property without getting some kind of “benefit” in return. Extortion anyone?

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    The supreme law of the land is the Constitution, and it is clear: no federal or state law, statute, code, or policy can exist that violates or undermines any part of the Constitution. Anything that does, is unlawful and has no authority over citizens. The reason for America’s obscenely immoral Congress is because they have abandoned and hated the idea of truth animating all government laws and actions.

    Let us always remember that truth is the union between a people and their government. Truth is the life force behind all law, and the U.S. Constitution; it is the substance of contracts; it is the light guiding man’s righteous claim and defense of his inalienable rights; it is the spirit of a responsible and benevolent self-government.


    Truth is the soul of justice, the shape of love, and the sound of peace. But sadly the corruption of man, his lusts, and selfish pride reject this principle in exchange for the shifting sands of pleasure and popular opinion.

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    By ignoring truth when making law, Congress destroys both. Without truth, there is no semblance of government authority, there is only the tyranny of DEEP STATE bureaucrats who channel fear to continue their power.
     
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    When the UN, the UNSC and the ICJ say they do apply, than you and your source simply have lost their case.
    There is no higher authority on the planet about international law than these.
    I already rebuked this because Muslim nations are nowhere close to a majority, and got no veto power unlike Israels best of pals: the US.
    You mean, you whined. You never debunked that the Jew state did not pass a law banning Arabs civilians to return to their own houses, because they are Arabs. And I sourced how many people got affected.

    I used Israeli websites and sources.
    While I have dismissed facts from zionistic one sided websites.
     
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    Thousands rally against Israel in Istanbul

    Typical.
     
  7. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, no big deal!
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    They look fairly calm to me now!:D
     
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    We don't need to hear about Israel haters in Turkey. We got enough Democrats right here in USA hate Israel even more than Turks do. In fact, the former US president, the Islamofascist apoloqizer tried to interfere in Israeli elections.
     
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    So you are still unable to defend /debate the issue, just point to a vote which starts out with auto-anti-Israel 30%.
    Inadequate. Non-conversant.

    I caught you Lying about what your own source said.
    berry bad.


    So there will STILL be no answer to Benny Morris, even at the original non-Zionist Irish Times.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/israel-and-the-palestinians-1.896017

    Your [non]-replies are terrible.
    You are utterly, and obviously, non-conversant on all issues, just gratuitously last-word.
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  10. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Such dire statements have to be proven with at least one source, or nobody will take you serious as a debater.
     
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    Nope.

    I stated quite clearly what are the conspiracy theories in your post.

    I don't argue with facts. I argue about interpretations and assignment of guilt or motives without proof.

    A headline in a socialist newspaper isn't proof. I don't trust socialists, I know their empty rhetoric and their anti-American hysteria only too well. A brainwashed flock obediently following policies set in place by two of the most bloodthirsty dictators the world has ever known: Lenin and Stalin. The irony of it is that those policies are imperialistic to the core, designed to make it easier for the Soviet Bear to bring as many countries as possible into the Russian fold.

    By the way, Abramowitz who?

    Well, this is one journalist in a war zone, not in Israel, people get killed in war zones, you know, all over the world. It's not like he was targeted.

    When you say "Journalists getting KILLED in Israel are becoming almost like an everyday routine" I expect proof: names, dates, places, obituaries, stuff like that. Otherwise it's just another antisemitic blood libel.

    Of course you'll see such a reaction as a deliberate attempt to push the AKP to power, because you don't know how a real democracy functions.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/world/europe/german-court-far-right.html?mcubz=3&_r=0

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...arab-parties-from-national-elections-1.268900

    This is democracy in action. Banning a party from participating in the political life of the country is not democracy. That's why the ruling against AKP has met negative reactions from EU countries. The overturning of the democratically elected Morsi by the Egyptian army has also triggered negative reactions in democratic countries. Those countries care more for the democratic process itself than for the outcome of this process. They are wrong when Middle Eastern countries are involved, of course.

    The above is an example of putting things into perspective.

    I'm comiiiiing!

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    Feel the love yet?
     
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    O.k., I've partly read and scanned them over and am puzzled. It has always seemed to me, an outsider, that especially the Democrats were devoted to Israel's well-being. Surely, Mrs. Clinton has been an avid supporter of Israel. And so has Obama.
    "Obama Admin STABS Israel in the Back, Abstains From UN Vote on Settlements".
    The settlements are illegal and a big barrier for peace in Palestine. To abstain was the best the US could do. To call that a stab in the back makes it sound like a brutal attack.


    Note: all four links are Jewish outlets.
    Are you sure it's not "fake news"?
    At least biased, I would suspect.





     
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    Stupid much?
    WSJ and NY Post are owned by [Catholic] Rupert Murdoch/News corp.
    No wonder you like Grau's anti-joo conspiracy crap. You post it too.

    Check your cabbage for worms.
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    You did state nothing Jean... You know that, I know that, everybody knows that...

    What are the interpretations among the list of 22 ""FACTS"" that you amazingly(!) inferred some "conspiracy theorIES" out of..?
    Come on don't be so shy now, consider me Owl the Shrink and open up, I'm here to help.

    I stated facts only and you called them Conspiracy Theories, that's it.

    Just because you mentioned Abramowitz and 9/11 separately won't change the fact you pretty much put everything there in that one big "conspiracy theory" basket while the following quotes from the very same post in which you "unfortunately" claimed "you don't argue with facts but argue about interpretations and assignment of guilt or motives without proof" are very clear.
    You ready for action? I'll give them numbers so you won't confuse them with the quotes I make from your most recent post if the box limits allow me to add them up as well. Let's get started... Here they are:

    1)
    Who said so? Huh? Who said large groups of people were able to conspire over a long period of time? Show me 1 sentence from me that can have a such stupid meaning. Jiji's interpretations... We'll see them a lot... Lol...

    2)
    Check this out now, I won't even say a word, I'll just let you refute yourself to death by your own words:

    "I don't argue with facts. I argue about interpretations and assignment of guilt or motives without proof."


    Look, I don't even ask you to "PROVE" Putin's attempt to bring far-right European parties to power despite financial blah blah blah...

    Why? Because your words are just good enough for me to sit back and watch you stab yourself like a Samurai there. You're "the only" original conspirator here Ms. Mossad... Sorry...
    Is it raining yet there? Like hails and sh.t? I think I'll submit my documents to Baruch College : )

    3)
    I think it's "sit back and watch Pisa stab herself" time again because Putin's "supposed" attempt to bring far-right European da da das seems not that big of a secret as no secret is meant to be sorted out by a random helva lover "public" forum user... Right? Am I right? I said am I right? Answer me jijinto...

    4)
    Well, I guess I'll never have to do nothing but watch you destroying yourself... Let me do this again from my couch:

    "I don't argue with facts. I argue about interpretations and assignment of guilt or motives without proof."

    It's fun tho...

    5)
    I thought it was Master Race theory? Sorry... I should've said; ""YOUR OWN"" Master Race Theory ""INTERPRETATIONS"" !

    Lol...

    6)
    Oh please, you're gonna make me cry now... I am the one who made it all clear in many analysis that the world is shifting to multipolarity way before you make some below average quality of demonstrations of Seppukus here...
    So I don't let you steal the show. You go ahead and keep interpreting that Master Race thing, that's what you're good at. Leave the complex stuff to me as you seem having some serious problems with handling them. I can tell because seems like somebody has already called them vultures as reinforcements... I don't even bother, so tell them no to bother either... You and I are just fine here like this. I think we're making a perfect match, don't you think jijitsu? Lol...

    7)
    Shall I take that sarcasm and make a big fool out of it by saying something like; "Oh, and I am the one who's the conspiracy theorist" ?

    Would that be too cheap, yet being put as too dark of a stain to come off of such a "nicely thought" white sarcasm because you know, all it takes is a stupid stain like that to make it disappear in a second in the eyes of the readers..? Are readers that important to us jiji? Maybe we should forget about them and listen some 1812 Overture from Tchaikovsky on the Rockies watching Colorado from the top while having a nice bottle of Cali Red in a cold winter day?

    8 )
    Believe me if there was a chord it would have stricken it like a lightning bolt. Shall we start with the Building 7 then? Forget it, I got a better idea, how about the Mossad agents at a distance watching the towers, filming them burning, cheering and dancing?

    Let's read:

    The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.
    She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.
    The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.
    The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens...

    According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack.
    The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari
    (This one sounds very Turkish, if not "entirely"... The dude is one of ours, can you believe that..? Lol... )
    When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases...
    Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.
    Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database. According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence.

    One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer.


    http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

    Let's get this one sorted out first, with a highly detailed discussion, then we'll continue with Building 7, and then who knows...

    Awaiting your reply with an excitement :)

    9)
    WAS... USED TO BE... and had never been "huge" like many EU states have been... The most prominent of which are Greece, Italy, Poland, Netherlands... Having a denial is being weak... I got no denials, sorry...

    Like I said, and I'll say it again, just because you failed to connect the dots doesn't give you any right to call the dots "conspiracy theories" especially when you see them all together in a few paragraphs instead them having been offered you on a list like my previous post has...

    Now let's go with the most recent post of dear Jiji...

    Very... Very unfortunate... Aydinlik is totally ""Patriotic"" newspaper, news magazine and a news website... It is very famous with its nationalistic ex army general authors and ex intelligence officer analysts... It's actually been always patriotic but it had to take some sharp turns IN THE PAST due to conjunctural changes Turkish state had to go under, particularly during cold war and right after it. But even that "Maoist" stance of the past doesn't change the fact that Aydinlik, ever since it was founded, have always been ANTI-AMERICAN, and therefore anti-imperialistic... Socialist views were sparkled in the second half of the 80's due to many wrong doings under the name of Kemalism by the very AMERICAN-BACKED coup leaders (Google: Our boys did it) of 1980. Too bad you happen to have some very wrong "interpretations" again on something that you actually have little knowledge of..
    Sad...

    Hmmm... Interesting... Not all socialists are leftists and not even one single implementation of socialism of a true left tendency has ever been witnessed so far... I really don't think a true leftist would be pro-Lenin or pro-Stalin. Maybe a fascist like me could be pro-"in" who accepts "the divine treaty" as it is and therefore believes in evolution of men should be handled with care in a certain direction... But not a true leftist... I respect those people and their ideas because they are as well very smart...

    I don't remember starting a "knock-knock" game with you... If you make me give you answers just like that once again, I immediately cut this whole discussion with you because you have to be able to make your own researches and then argue stuff with me with your own finds, otherwise all is meaningless. Morton is the guy...

    Pffftttt... Really? One?

    https://electronicintifada.net/blog...lethal-country-journalists-2014-watchdog-says


    Rachel Aliene Corrie, and James Miller would have sent you their regards if they could still breathe...

    Along with them these too:

    1. Hamid Abdullah Shehab – ‘Media 24’company.
    2. Najla Mahmoud Haj – media activist.
    3 Khalid Hamad – the ‘Kontnao’ Media Production company.
    4. Ziad Abdul Rahman Abu Hin – al-Ketab satellite channel.
    5. Ezzat Duheir – Prisoners Radio.
    6. Bahauddin Gharib – Palestine TV.
    7 Ahed Zaqqout – veteran sports journalist.
    8 Ryan Rami – Palestinian Media Network.
    9 Sameh Al-Arian – Al-Aqsa TV.
    10 Mohammed Daher – Editor in al-Resala paper.
    11. Abdullah Vhjan – sports journalist.
    12 journalist Khaled Hamada Mqat- Director of Saja news website.
    13. freelance journalist Shadi Hamdi Ayyad.
    14 photojournalist Mohammed Nur al-Din al-Dairi – works in the Palestinian Network.
    15. journalist Ali Abu Afesh – Doha Center for Media.
    16 Italian journalist Simone Camille – photographer in the Associated Press.
    17. Abdullah fadel Murtaja.


    16 journalist israel.jpg

    We got war zones everywhere in the region, Syria, Iraq, Eastern Turkiye but killing this much of journalist during a "single operation"?

    Let me be disgusted now with your explanations to cover these killings... Please... I wanna be disgusted...

    Ahahahah... OK...
     
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    You're making some weird sounds again. You must read a lot and learn a lot about POLITICS before discussing POLITICS in a POLITICAL FORUM. That's what I do, and I believe anybody else should do the same because like somebody I know once told me something like;

    "if you don't contribute with what you know, then what the hell are you doing here?"



    So, Batasuna says hi:

    Batasuna banned permanently
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    Batasuna denies reports that it is ETA's political wing

    Spain's Supreme Court has approved a government request to ban the Basque separatist Batasuna party permanently.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2857437.stm

    Don't worry, I will leave you with your wish that Spain had never been accepted to the EU right now, so you wouldn't have been buried ruthlessly like this by a TURK ... But you can always divert and deny... Yellooooo...

    Last time I checked Spain was located right at the westernmost corner of the European continent and a prominent EU member...

    Where's Middle East by the way? :)


    I know... And Batasuna is an example of fckng things up with no perspective I guess... ahaha...

    Wait..! Let's come together... Hold on... I'll put Marooned from Pink Floyd, guitar orgasms are the best... :)
     
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    You are a very foolish bunny. The truth is the Palestinians, or the radical Muslims, or the Arab terrorists, or Hamas, or whatever or whomever you want to call the butchering thugs, do not fight for justice or a free state dedicated to the principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They fight for the destruction of the only free state in the middle east, Israel, in order to establish Islamic theocracies. I, for one, in the name of the best within in me, will never bow to Allah, or any other mystical delusion, but will stand tall as a free man, my head held high, and tell all tyrants: "Kiss my free American ass!".

    You? Do as you please, but take my advice and leave your gun at home. Hopefully you'll learn why liberty is our most sacred right, and religious tyranny one of Man's most evil concepts before its too late and you watch your daughter stoned to death for kissing the one she has chosen to love, and free men must use force against you as an act of self defense.
     
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    I don't have a gun and I am no threat to anyone! But I do have a conscience! And my sense for what is right and what is wrong tells me, from what I have read over the years, that Israel has committed a devastating crime against the Palestinians.
    How do you justify your freedom but deny the Pals their freedom?
    If you like to take issue with stoning, which I abhor and condemn, then I should take issue with Israel's organ theft which is just as gruesome and revolting.
    more stories here:
    http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/fraud/israel/news.php?q=1260039345
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    My advice to you:
    Before slandering someone else, check the records of your own tribe first.
     
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    Whatreallyhappened.com?
    LOFL.
    You grow funny mushrooms too?
    It's an infamous conspiracy site.. as if the name doesn't tell you.

    What Really Happened
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/What_Really_Happened

    They promote all sorts of conspiracy theories, especially 9/11 conspiracy theories, Jewish banker conspiracies, the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory, global warming conspiracy theories,
    and various types of Pseudohistory and survivalism... They also have an associated podcast and wiki. So, in essence, it's a poor man's Infowars.

    The website's proprietor, Michael Rivero, claims to have started his website and radio show after questioning what really happened to Vince Foster, claiming that his suicide seemed like something he saw out of the movie special effects industry, which he works in. Until recently the podcast was on shortwave radio, as well as being carried by the Genesis Communications Network

    That's another BS conspiracy website
    http://www.fourwinds10.com/

    You are Not credible and post lunatical anti-jooo BS.
    On the last page you claimed the WSJ and NY Post were "Jewish Outlets", I busted it.
    At least you stayed shut up on that point.
    +​
     
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    The only accusation I have made against the Palestinians is that they fight not for a free state with a free press, freedom of religion, separation of powers, and the individual rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but instead are fighting for Islamic theocracies dedicated to Islamic tyranny. As to your accusations against Israel, I have no way to judge their validity and will view them as innocent until proven otherwise. The Palestinians made their intentions and views clear; the destruction of the human race by murdering Western Civilization. They scream it to the heavens everyday.
     
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    Scooby dooby doo... Where are you? We got some work to do now... :)
     
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    To Mr. (not so) Goody"Sovereignty is not given, it is TAKEN!"


    it its neither given or taken, it is. The government doesn't give you rights, you have them, you're born with them. Your right to life your life is a not granted privilege, it is an unalienable right. To surrender it willing, is to be a coward; to take it by force is to be thug, to cherish it as yours to be lived is to be a man, a holy man.

    "Individualism regards man—every man—as an independent, sovereign entity who possesses an inalienable right to his own life, a right derived from his nature as a rational being. Individualism holds that a civilized society, or any form of association, cooperation or peaceful coexistence among men, can be achieved only on the basis of the recognition of individual rights—and that a group, as such, has no rights other than the individual rights of its members."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/individualism.html

    "Man’s life, as required by his nature, is not the life of a mindless brute, of a looting thug or a mooching mystic, but the life of a thinking being—not life by means of force or fraud, but life by means of achievement—not survival at any price, since there’s only one price that pays for man’s survival: reason."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/man.html

    And lastly:
    "Do not make the mistake of the ignorant who think that an individualist is a man who says: “I’ll do as I please at everybody else’s expense.” An individualist is a man who recognizes the inalienable individual rights of man—his own and those of others.

    An individualist is a man who says: “I will not run anyone’s life—nor let anyone run mine. I will not rule nor be ruled. I will not be a master nor a slave. I will not sacrifice myself to anyone—nor sacrifice anyone to myself.”--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/individualism.html

    At the moment the thugs are winging("Sovereignty is not given, it is TAKEN!"); but all they will create is hell on earth covered in rivers of blood. If this is your wish, may you rot in hell.
     
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    "Jeff Bezos vs. Vladimir Putin: Who’s going to be the first trillionaire? Jeff Bezos vs. Vladimir Putin: Who’s going to be the first trillionaire?"--http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/international/347541-jeff-bezos-vs-vladimir-putin-whos-the-richest

    A further illustration of the thug vs the creator, or the man who needs to rule to feel alive, and the man who creates because he is alive, or the man who takes instead of creates because he feels like it, and the man who creates because he's in love with himself and life.

    The thug, Vladimir Putin. HIs murders, tortures, horrors, and screams, incalculable. The creator, Jeff Bezos. The lives he's saved, improved, that were born, that have a chance to better the world? Again, incalculable. Who would you chose to emulate as a hero to thank? I know whom I would.
     
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    RE:
    I'm afraid you're mistaken in equating the Palestinian cause with "Islamic tyranny " like the Israeli supported ISIS

    - "The Palestinians Are Not ISIS"
    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.689214

    EXCERPT "Since the Paris attacks, Netanyahu and other Israeli right-wingers have ramped up their equation between ISIS and Palestinian terror attacks. But this strategy is wrong-headed, exploitative and suicidal for Israel.

    Instead of reminding the world of this critical distinction, our leaders have been flailing about to exploit the ISIS attacks on innocent Parisians to garner international support for Israeli settlements."CONTINUED



    - "UN Report Reveals How Israel is Coordinating with ISIS Militants Inside Syria"
    http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/02/...oordinating-with-isis-militants-inside-syria/

    "EXCERPT21WIRE reported back in December 2014 and again in January 2015, how the State of Israel has consistently provided both material, medical relief and IDF airstrike support to various terrorist and ‘rebel’ insurgents fighting in Syria."CONTINUED
     
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    That's a great speech perfectly suited to address to US and Israeli governments as they do not regard the individual's life as sacred.

    I will respond with a small section from an interview with professor Richard Falk, a Jew, who a.o. wrote the book: Israel-Palestine on Record: How the New York Times Misreports Conflict in the Middle East.


    In a recent statement issued by the UN, “Gaza: Silence Is Not An Option,” he called Israeli policies in the Occupied Territories a crime against humanity.

    Exerpts from the lengthy interview I randomly selected:
    Slate: You have also spoken about the collective punishment of the people in Gaza as a war crime. When you think of Gaza, it’s 360 square miles, a relatively narrow, small strip of land. When you’re having these kinds of airplanes flying over and dropping the bombs, the rockets coming in, whatever’s being done there, the shelling of Gaza, you combine that with what is arguably one of the densest places in the world, and certainly in the Middle East, and it really gives you a sense of what that means. It helps you understand the nature of this being a war crime.

    Falk: You put your finger on it, on why this is generating so much rage and frustration around the world, because it is such an unequal kind of slaughter that is taking place.
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    Israel was flying at will its military aircraft over Gaza, causing sonic booms that have resulted in the malignant spread of deafness among children.
    One of the things that the Free Gaza Movement ships from Cyprus were trying to do was to bring hearing aids to these children that had been so traumatized and injured by Israeli vindictive terrorizing behavior that had been going on for many, many months.
    ....
    Slate: In addition to bring the people who are responsible in Gaza to the international criminal courts and to answer to international law, you’ve also argued for some more immediate protective measures for the people who are in danger right now. What’s the likelihood of that happening?

    Falk: It’s a fair and important question. The short answer is that the UN can’t really fulfill its own Charter unless the political will of its most powerful members wish it to do so. And in the context of Israel, the UN has been rendered relatively impotent, except to a certain extent on the level of language, because the US and to some extent Europe, has prevented any kind of protective action from being taken, and would obstruct of course, any effort to impose criminal accountability.

    Read the full interview here:
    https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/01/21/18565012.php
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    It is so sad that the world stands by and allows the "shining" Democracy in the M.E. to continue its murder and destruction of the caged Palestinian people.
    As Falk states in the interview, the facts would suggest a rather high level of complicity on the part of the United States government.
    Of course, Germany is also totally devoted to Israel by fate and supplies Israel with modern war material; so is Britain through the fateful Balfour Papers.
    Russia? Yes, they, too, support Israel.
    All the big ones are on Israel's side and render any UN resolution null and void with their vetoes. Why? Are they scared? Are they under threat?
    Palestine is a small but powerful example of what could happen to all of us sooner or later.
     
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